Decorated Vietnam Vet Arrested Guarding War Memorial and American Flag in San Diego(#2)

Newsgroups: alt.war.vietnam ^ | 01/10/30 | SOURCE: Jaffe & Co., Inc., Strategic Media and Crisis Management

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

mystomachisturning thanks for the latest report
If you don't mind, please read this post from StayoutdaBushesWay eariler today
and let me know what you think.
Do you think Lucy is changing her story because of the pressure?
StayoutdaBushesWay: This is in now way an attack on you,
I'm just trying to get the facts straight from Lucy.

[Mind-numbed Robot]

On another subject I think most of us would agree philosophically with CJ. Were this a non-vet hippy dopehead who just wanted to crash by the monument between begging and stealing we would think that CJ's arguments were well stated. What we really need is government functionaries, like code enforcers, who are patriotic, well read, sensitive, and thoughtful - characteristics rarely found in public service in today's America. With today's screwed up values we are more likely to find the functionaries and their ilk, and there are a lot of ilk out there, defending the rights of a druggie and his dog instead of a patriot like Robert Northcut. Examples like Mr. Northcut make it painfully obvious how wrong the liberals were and continue to be. They certainly don't want examples like that front and center for everyone to see.

Our differences are not with the pure argument as being made by CJ but that the wrong exceptions to those rules are being made by our liberal government bureaucrats. The judge was good, the lawyers were good, but the code enforcer was very strict in a way that a patriotic and sensitive person would not be. (And they are the ones, the liberals, who don the mantle of sensitivity.) The code enforcer should have bent the rules in this case and the rest of the city government should have allowed it.

By the way, has anyone checked to see if there really is a city code or law making visiting that monument trespassing? Perhaps he didn't really break the law.

[usmcobra]

"the town's main objective was to get Mr. Northcut and TJ to move on."

It kinda says it all, If We can't understand them and help them, then we force them to go elsewhere!
I am sure Cultural Jihad will Buy into this Tactic of homeless control.
Please don't consider that observation a personal attack, Cultural Jihad,
it is based on your own responces and apparent views on the homeless and Homeless Vets in general.
Now if I were to lauch into a personal attack on you rest assured it would have me banned from this board in minutes.

But back to the meat of the matter,
This has to be one of those coastal califonia communities, you know the type,
Elitist snobs that worship their beach and won't have mere mortals soiling their sands.
Towns like this dot the California coast, and use security guards to run off the common folk,
Why should we be surprized That they would use such tactics to run off a Homeless Vet?
The question is are they right to do so?
What they did was morally wrong and repugnant,
but they are not bound by law to make amends
or even apologize for doing so.
That is why public opinion must be brought to bare on them!
Keep the heat on,
while they may not care for this man,
they will care for what the country thinks of their sleepy little burg
and that will change their views.

[MistyCA]

With regard to petting the dog, she told me that she could not imagine someone petting the dog because the dog is very aggressive. She said that the dog had bit someone in the past but she could not tell me whom. I asked if Mr. Northcut was physically disabled and she said she did not know because she had never gotten close enough to him to know. She says on the occassions she has seen him he has been laying down.

She said nothing with regard to Mr. Northcut deficating in the open, etc, however she did say that he once left the dog tied to the flag pole and unknowing city worker checking an electrical box was startled by the dog's aggressive behavior. Of course, it is normal to think that the dog was protecting his territory. TJ is, btw, a german shepard, she thought. She mentioned the case in San Francisco at which time I questioned her about the dog being tied up, etc. she then brought up the issue of the dog being tied to the flag pole on that single occassion. It also seemed to bother her that Mr. Northcut had hired an attorney. I honestly do not think that she was prepared to back down from her position even though she indicated that it would be an opportunity to try to come up with a way to satisfy the needs of all involved. that is really all we would want, isn't it? I told her that turning this seemingly bad situation into a positive could result in getting some great national publicity:) I reminded her that there were a lot of angry vets to which she replied that she had heard from many today. She thought it might die down after a few days..people would lose interest. I told her that it was pretty unlikely from this particular group of people. so she asked me to call back in a couple of days and she would tell me what had been decided or done. She really did seem like a nice woman.

[MistyCA]

I agree with you entirely. I use to live in Santa Monica and I loved it there. However, since Tom Hayden turned it into a homeless haven, there is absolutely no way I would ever contemplate SM as a place to live. It is quite uncomfortable and disgusting to go to that town anymore. Very unlike the SM of my high school years. It has everything to do with politics and leadership. That is one reason why I do feel bad about Lucy in Solano Beach because I know that the line has to be drawn somewhere. San Diego is close to the border and one might think that it would be in terrible condition as a result. It is not, however. San Diego is a fine and beautiful city that has had the very kind of care and leadership you and I might expect. The problem is that it does not make allowances for the Northcut and TJ's of the world.

[deadhead]

I don't have a fenced-in yard. I take my dog Lucy for walks, but she likes to be outside alot. So I also have a "tie around the tree" rope. If a stranger would walk up to Lucy, she would bark and I know that a stranger would be intimidated. She is protecting her territory. My dog wouldn't hurt a flea. I have sent out many e-mails in support of Mr. Northcut and TJ

[Native American Female Vet]

ON THE PHONE WITH MR GEORGES NOW

[MistyCA]

My dog (a chow) puts her nose in the air at the first sign of a stranger making their way down the street...literally. And she would scare the daylights out of any stranger who came to our door. She sounds very viscious, and I am glad she does. When a repair man or delivery person asks if she is dangerous I tell them, "only if I want her to be, and then she will start at your kneecaps and work her way up!"

[MistyCA]

Your points are all very well taken. Good post!

[deadhead]

:-) My dog is a pit-bull mix, she is such a sweet dog. And I am glad that she barks and intimidates strangers, makes me feel safe. I hope that Mr. Northcut will be reunited with TJ

[MistyCA]

You are doing a fine job Tonk, as usual! :)

[MistyCA]

That is something else Lucy said....she spoke of hoping to get him reunited with TJ soon, but she also said that she had no jurisdiction over that decision so I think we really do need to contact the Animal Control Office to make sure they also "get the message!"

[Snow Bunny]

Thank you, I am soooo glad you posted the Brother written graphic.

[deadhead]

I have sent animal control an e-mail, didn't get a response back. Hoping that others have sent them a letter.

[Snow Bunny]

I am so proud of you. Thank you so much for sharing your call on here. You did great my friend.

[MistyCA]

Did you post a fax number for Animal Control? I must have missed it if so. Thanks in advance for a repost.??

[krunkygirl]

bump

[Native American Female Vet]

Lots to tell. I have been busy today

OK 1st he is a Vet from 1972. He has said he wanted to be a seal but rang the bell and then went into electronics but he didnt know they had river boats in Cambodia. He and 13 guys where on a boat and there was an explosion and he woke up in Austrailia. He gets benifits but has always had them sent to his son who is now in jail. People have offered him a mobile home to live in but he says he cant live indoors.

[deadhead]

I sent an e-mail to: DACInfo@co.san-diego.ca.us
I saw this in a post on thread one. It's the San Diego Animal Control. Hope it's the right place to send it to.

[MistyCA]

Thanks! It is great having your support!!