Secret CIA Office Destroyed in World Trade Center (posted 11/04/2001)

AP from FOXNEWS.COM ^ | 11/04/01

[Mahone]

NEW YORK — A secret office operated by the CIA was destroyed in the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center, seriously disrupting intelligence operations. The undercover station was in 7 World Trade Center, a smaller office tower that fell several hours after the collapse of the twin towers on Sept. 11, a U.S. government official said.

[Mahone]

Wonder who else knew of it's existence?

[LiberteeBell]

Well, we could start with bubba and hitlary........

[demdesur]

Secret CIA arms and seized drugs in huge WTC basement

Twin towers treasure trove a lure for looters: Secret vaults Gold, arms and seized drugs in huge basement

The Guardian - United Kingdom; Nov 2, 2001
BY AUDREY GILLAN IN NEW YORK

The vaults below the complex that was the World Trade Centre were a vast and secret place. Not only did they hold some of the world's largest gold depositories, but they were home to stashes belonging to the CIA and secret service.

Seventy feet below ground is an array of goods that includes bricks of cocaine, fake taxi cabs used for covert operations, bomb-proof state cars and security files meant for the eyes of the CIA only - nice booty for potential looters.

As Brink's-Mat security vans brought out Dollars 200m (pounds 137m) of gold from a safety store below 4 World Trade Centre, which was on the east side of the ruined complex, it emerged that someone had tried to get into the vaults, no doubt with robbery in mind.

Two weeks ago a security guard spotted scorch marks on a basement doorway which had not been noticed by a patrol team a few hours before. Behind the door were thousands of tonnes of gold and silver. It looked like someone had used a blowtorch and a crowbar and it prompted concerns that they may try to do so again. Video surveillance systems have now been installed.

As they dig amid the rubble, recovery workers are uncover ing corridors and gangways that lead to the cavernous vaults below. The 16-acre basement has enough square footage to fill a building of greater proportion than the Empire State building. Engineers and recovery officials say that large parts of the underground storage rooms are undamaged. (Wow)

Since September 11 very little has been said about the treasures that lie below what has become a mass grave. But down there are piles of old furniture, a mountain of Godiva chocolates, stacks of illegal assault weapons, as well as jewels and more gold and silver.

Beneath the customs house - 6 World Trade Centre - was a fleet of government vehicles, including dozens owned by the secret service. The cars were kept in a sealed-off area, part of which was a garage which housed a single armoured limousine used to carry heads of state and dignitaries visiting the city.

The building also housed an office of the CIA containing drugs, weapons and contraband seized by customs officers. The bureau of alcohol, tobacco and firearms also lost two evidence vaults, according to a spokesman.

"There could be several hundred weapons - somewhere between 200 and 400, ranging from small-calibre semi-automatic pistols to assault rifles," he told the New York Times.

He said agents plan to be on the scene when the remains of the building are demolished some time in the next two weeks. "After that, we'll be working at the landfill to search for any missing items."

http://globalarchive.ft.com/globalarchive/article.html?id=011102003497

[demdesur]

For the record:

It was first reported Friday by British paper... not Sunday by the New York Times.

[Mahone]

I doubt sincerely that it was ever in anyone's mind that the CIA office would be attacked therefore I also doubt that anyone thought, hey, let's put it in the Trade center so they won't attack us.

[PianoMan]

Godiva Chocolates...oh man...I'm gettin on the subway right now...

[Le-Roy]

   Ya mean like the fact that there are (or were) literally pallets-full of bricks of cocaine in at least one of these CIA vaults...?

[BrucefromMtVernon]

The CIA is a make-work project for ex-mental patients.

[dirtboy]

If we accept that the CIA is a legitimate target for attack given a legitimate cause, then is not putting the CIA office in a civilian building the same moral crime we accuse the Taliban, and Saddam Hussein of commiting? Do we not accuse them of hiding behind civilians? After all one of the chief complaints of OBL is the interferance of the CIA in ME affairs. I'm not trying to justify anything of course.

Oh, of course you are not, you apologist. Look, the FBI, CIA and other federal offices have to put their branch operations SOMEWHERE.

[dirtboy]

But I thought we as a country hold up the principle that government offices that might be legitimate targets of war should be stand alone offices away from civilians.

More of your incredibly convoluted logic. WERE WE AT WAR WHEN WE WERE ATTACKED? NO! So why are you attempting this absurd comparison? The Taliban moved some of their MILITARY equipment into CIVILIAN areas once the attacks started. HOW DOES THAT COMPARE TO A CIA OFFICE IN WTC7 PRIOR TO BEING ATTACKED? Hint: IT DOESN'T. And quit bending over backwards to draw a comparison to our enemies.

[dirtboy]

the has been alot of speculation on other sites that Bldg 7 was specifically targeted and perhaps had bombs within. You will note from the layout of the WTC that Bldg 7 was actually behind 6, and protected somewhat. If I knew how to post the pic directly I would.

That speculation is crap. If bin Laden wanted to take out the CIA so bad, he would have flown planes at CIA headquarters in Langley - not into the twin towers on the simple possibility that the would also take out WTC7 and a BRANCH OFFICE. Think for a minute.

[dirtboy]

Do you really believe in your heart that two airplane took down all of those bldgs on their own??

So let me see. A controlled demolition takes days to set up, columns need to be drilled into, wires everywhere, BUT NO ONE WORKING IN THE TWO TOWERS NOTICED A THING. --head slap-- How could I have missed that?

[dirtboy]

Do you really believe in your heart that two airplane took down all of those bldgs on their own??

Not that difficult a scenario. It wasn't the impact of the airplanes - it was all the burning fuel. The design of the WTC lent itself towards the collapse - since the structural aspects were somewhat like a square donut in cross-section, once the beams on a floor softened enough, the weight from above pancaked floor after floor all the way to the ground.

[dirtboy]

All I'm saying is that there is alot more to this story than meets the eye.

Maybe you should go over to Rivero's site. We're really not interested in the tin-foil crap today, thank you. You take a handful of scattered, unrelated facts and coincidences try to spin a conspiracy from it. That's crap. And I notice you failed to deal with the itty-bitty problem of anyone noticing all those demolition charges and wires.

[dirtboy]

Additionally, for the bldg to "pancake," all 4 structural support corners had to go at the same time. The top didn't "tip."

Actually, there was a slight tilt to the top of that building as it came down, you can see it in a couple of photos. Plus, there was much more weight above the impact point, as the plane went in much lower - so failure could have come sooner. And just because a fair amount of the jet fuel sprayed outside the building from the angle of the impact, it doesn't mean that a lot still remained inside - the smoke from that fire was just as dense as the fire from the first impact.

And, once again, you fail to address how enough charges to bring down the WTC in a controlled implosion could have been concealed from workers. It takes a long, long time to set up a controlled detonation in buildings far smaller than the WTC.

[dirtboy]

Additionally, for the bldg to "pancake," all 4 structural support corners had to go at the same time. The top didn't "tip."

The first few floors may not have pancaked cleanly - you can see showers of debris in the video of the second collapse. But once the mass grew and accelerated downward, it was sufficient to blow out the floors.

[dirtboy]

I haven't once seen the "bowells" of my office bldg. If there were demolition charges here, I certainly wouldn't see them.

The WTC carried most of its load on the outside beams, in plain sight. Tell me how wires could have been attached to each of those structural beams on multiple floors and no one would have noticed.

This thread is a joke, and a bad one at that. We debunked this nonsense a long time ago, I'm outta here.

[Seattle-ite Nottagay]

Shhhhhhhh. Be verwy verwy quiet. It's secret......

[dirtboy]

That is true for the second collapse, not the first.

Wrong, I saw the first collapse on TV as it happened, you could see the slight tilt.

[dirtboy]

Would love to read the thread...Link anyone???

It got nuked after it got debunked - we had no desire for nutjob nonsense three days after the WTC attacks.

[ableChair]

Secret huh? I guess that's not the case anymore...

[dirtboy]

The thread got nuked? Aren't all the threads here archived? And how long does it take to nuke a thread?

Lots of threads get yanked here for various reasons. Only takes JimRob (the owner of the forum) or one of the moderators a few seconds to take a thread off-line.

[dirtboy]

Must be what happens when liberals post in here?

Well, most liberals DO get tossed pretty quickly, although we have a few regulars. MurryMom is good for rehtorical target practice, and we have a few others. But there are other reasons for threads to get pulled, such as bigoted posts. Other threads just tend to degenerate into flame wars, with a few topics leading the way - gays, Israel/Palestine, the Catholic Church - but that particular thread, no one was in the mood to keep around that crap a couple days after the attacks, I imagine.

[Norb2569]

Wonder who else knew of it's existence?

Three guesses and OBL is the answer to all three!

[dirtboy]

Three guesses and OBL is the answer to all three!

If OBL really had the CIA as his target, he would have told his terrorists to fly a plane at Langley instead of the WTC.

[Norb2569]

whatever...

[donh]

I have been struck by the lack of threads on this subject at freerepublic, so I thought I'd wake this one up and see how attentively it's being monitored.

The defenses offered against the long list of peculiarities of the 9/11 event are growing ever more spectacularly peculiar and laughable. Now that the collapse of wtc-7 from fire has become so laughable they don't even try any more, we hear from Silverstein that he and the NYFD decided to demolish the building after all. Pretty amusing that the FEMA investigators didn't think to ask the owner or the NYFD, before publishing their "report" suggesting that it was an unfathomable mystery.

This event, as vetted, is preposterous from teeth to toenails. A bunch of ignorant fundamentalist ragheads with a few hours of flight training did not party at topless bars, and then steal 4 airplanes, using razor blades as weapons, navigate across several states, and launch a precision attack.

The greatest crime scene of the century was not unceremoneously cut up and hauled away for public safety. It was cut up and hauled away because some federal authorities did not want or need a criminal investigation. The culprits were pre-determined.

Federal police with no foreknowledge that this would happen did not determine who the culprits were within a few hours of the event.

A preposterous technical paper, preposterously unrefereed, explaining the collapse of the buildings was no more prepared over the next 2 days, than the Patriot Act was written in the following week. Pyroclastic flow, indeed. What a bunch of rubes. The Dresden fire produced the temperatures in question--the buildings were a great deal less up to code, and if you will look at the pictures of the most uniform non-atomic flashover in history, you will see bearing walls, with and without twisted steel reinforcement, going up 10 or more stories that are still perfectly intact. Fire does not pulverize granite or brick. We build ovens out of this stuff that maintain temperatures higher than proposed in that bs ASME paper.

The only reason people believe this is that they are too comfortable, and watch too damn much tv, which has rendered a country that used to be full of toughminded engineeers into a country full of smug marshmallows.

That was a set up to get us into a couple of wars that were in the planning stage long before the ever-so-useful, and not very devastating, events in question, without which, these planned wars could not possibly have occured.

And now, said marshmallows are sitting around clacking their tongues, avidly, while pretending to be horrified to look, over the torture pictures using the same miniscule portions of their "brains" they have been employing on the rest of this nonsense.

Everyone raise their hands who thinks that the CIA-trained torturers we see supervising those army brats posing for pictures with their victims weren't trained at Langley not to allow torture tourist photos?

We have those pictures because an element within the CIA wanted us to. Why? I'll speculate, because the next phase of 9/11 is to justify the pretense that the arabs have released anthrax and/or smallpox on us, once again, in an incredibly anemic attack that leaves us largely uncrippled, but perfectly ready to roll over like beaten mutts once again and give over the rest of our constitutional rights. Everyone raise their hands who think it's perfectly reasonable, 3 years after the event in question, that our federal defenders haven't been able to figure out how to insure an abundant available supply of smallpox vaccine in the hands of civilian doctors?

Everyone raise their hands who thinks it's perfectly reasonable that NORAD should sit with its thumb up its butt for 83 minutes, 40 of which are after a co-ordinated air attack on two buildings. What, exactly, are we paying them all this tax money for? To surrender to an enemy as efficiently as the world has ever seen?

Not that I care that much any more. This country will get what it has earned, good and hard and often, by raising tail to murky ambitions within the federal government every time it scratches itself. Not unlike what happened to Rome when the Praetorian Guard version of the CIA ran the world.

[cyberaxe]

.....ppssstt.....

.....loosen the tinfoil.....

[donh]

.....ppssstt..... .....loosen the tinfoil.....

Yes, the usual incisive counterargument I have grown so accustomed to. Have another beer and watch another infomercial, any quesy residual sense of responsible concern you might have been ambushed by will recede quickly.

[cyberaxe]

Yes, the usual incisive counterargument I have grown so accustomed to. Have another beer and watch another infomercial, any quesy residual sense of responsible concern you might have been ambushed by will recede quickly.

.....oh, oh, big words.....

.....you must be really smart.....

.....maybe one day.....

.....if i become as self absorbed.....

.....and self impressed as you.....

.....i will not have to hire people.....

.....to blow smoke up my arse.....

.....btw.....

.....how do you do that anyway?.....

[aculeus]

Everyone raise their hands who thinks that the CIA-trained torturers we see supervising those army brats posing for pictures with their victims weren't trained at Langley not to allow torture tourist photos?

Hand raising convention here.

[donh]

.....i will not have to hire people.....

.....to blow smoke up my arse.....

.....btw.....

.....how do you do that anyway?.....

Nothing to it. It's a free government service. Tell me which of the pieces of evidence I have cited was not reported by the major news media?

[cyberaxe]

Tell me which of the pieces of evidence I have cited was not reported by the major news media?

.....heck.....

.....you should be charged @ $250.00 an hour for this.....

.....but here goes.....

This event, as vetted, is preposterous from teeth to toenails. A bunch of ignorant fundamentalist ragheads with a few hours of flight training did not party at topless bars, and then steal 4 airplanes, using razor blades as weapons, navigate across several states, and launch a precision attack.

.....this one for starters.....

....is either brains going faster than fingers.....

.....or brains just outta control.....

That was a set up to get us into a couple of wars that were in the planning stage long before the ever-so-useful, and not very devastating, events in question, without which, these planned wars could not possibly have occured.

.....you should really try and see.....

.....if your radio will pic up something.....

.....other than NPR.....

Why? I'll speculate,.....

.....from this point on.....

.....the guys with the big butterfly nets.....

.....start warming up.....

.....and now I'll put my tinfoil on.....

.....do you really believe.....

reported by the major news media?

.....uhm.....

.....nuff said.....

[donh]

.This event, as vetted, is preposterous from teeth to toenails. A bunch of ignorant fundamentalist ragheads with a few hours of flight training did not party at topless bars, and then steal 4 airplanes, using razor blades as weapons, navigate across several states, and launch a precision attack.

.....this one for starters.....

Ok, lets start with this, oh well informed one. Which item in the above sequence of events is NOT exactly what the major news media reported? Or do you simply think rude, pompous blovating is a good substitute for argument or evidence?

[cyberaxe]

rude, pompous blovating is a good substitute for argument or evidence?

.....no.....

.....but being coherent.....

.....has to count for something.....

.....sh!t fire man.....

.....lucidity is a warm and fuzzy feeling.....

.....try and embrace it.....

.....btw.....

.....which major news media reported this?.....

..did not party at topless bars, and then steal 4 airplanes..

[donh]

.....which major news media reported this?.....

..did not party at topless bars, and then steal 4 airplanes..

All of them. It was part of a well-publicized FBI report. Read about it in almost any perfectly ordinary daily paper and countless other mundane sources. Here are three:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2001/10/06/wbin106.xml

http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/lv-other/2004/may/27/516925931.html

http://www.policing.com/op-ed.html