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Decorated Vietnam Vet Arrested Guarding War Memorial and American Flag in San Diego(#4)
www.sandiegouniontribune.com. ^ | November 7, 2001 | By Dana Littlefield

Posted on 11/07/2001 3:59:48 PM PST by B4Ranch

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To: usmcobra
Now I don't know how TJ came to be in RT Northcut's possession after being a working dog for the Border Patrol,

Apparently when TJ was with the Border Patrol he chased some Mexicans back across the border and didn't return. When Northcut's previous dog died from old age, someone in the community took him down to Tijuana to the dog pound and he selected TJ after a couple of hours. TJ was brought back to the US, given all the shots needed and a health examination. A local resident buys his dog tags every year to keep him 'legal'.

201 posted on 11/08/2001 6:03:44 AM PST by B4Ranch
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To: B4Ranch
I admire you guys greatly for lending this guy a helping hand, but I think that the city is getting a bad rap. A bum is living in a park with a vicious dog. I have a 16 month old daughter, and we live right by a park with a war memorial. We walk there all the time. If there was a smelly bum living there with a vicious dog who was biting people that got too close to the memorial I would want him gone, too.

There is something about people with vicious dogs. They all think that because their relationship with their dog is so special, that they should be immune from responsibility when their dogs attack people. I have seen it happen before. These people almost alwasy beleive that the kid who got bitten was to blame - and they are always wrong.

I'd like to see this hero get some help, and I would like to see him reunited with his dog. But it is absurd to think that this guy has a right to live on the war memorial.

202 posted on 11/08/2001 6:27:14 AM PST by Rodney King
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To: Rodney King
A smelly bum and his rabid dog????
I added the "rabid" part only because it is a matter of time before that gets used as an excuse.
203 posted on 11/08/2001 6:37:13 AM PST by usmcobra
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To: overseer5

"Oh please, this kind of story doesn't get my sympathy, I don't care if he is a vet, he needs to act more responsibly and obey the law."

Wellllll, I see the crap for Vietnam Vets just never stops. I am a Vietnam Era veteran and as such have a stake in this fight. I feel disgust that I have given 19 of the best years of my life on Active Duty, serving to defend ungrateful, selfish and ignorant people such as you've just displayed you are.

The man had already paid his dues of citizenship wayyyyyyy back in Vietnam. What have you done for this country?

This is more than about the fact that he is homeless, and he slept near a War Memorial on public property. If the property is truly public, he has just as much right to be there as anyone else. But folks out on the "Left Coast" just can't see beyond the ends of their own noses. This means that you bought into the CYA document the City Of Solano Beach wrote. Of course they will try and blame it on something more than just the fact that they didn't want him there. And a judge lets him go with time served! So with that in mind, I gotta bridge to sell ya.

I supposed that if it was any radical student out pissing on that same monument, and that same flag that it would be okay with you? After all isn't that "Freedom of Speech"?

But let a vet, who happens to be homeless, do something he conscientiously feels is his duty; and although he may look a little straggly, and not bothering a soul - "@#$&! HE'S BREAKING THE LAW ... and LET'S CRUCIFY THE GUY!

Folks like you make me sick!

204 posted on 11/08/2001 6:40:20 AM PST by Colt .45
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To: usmcobra
I didn't say rabid dog, don't put words in my mouth. I am all for helping this guy, but I do not support him and his dog living in a non-secluded public area. I just can't beleive that everyone thinks it is a good idea that bums should be allowed to set-up shanty's wherever they feel like it just because they are vets.

The fact that they are vets is important. That fact would get me to help out providing shelter for the guy, or buying him a tent so he can live in the woods. (As opposed to your average loser bumb, who I really have no sympathy for). This guy is mentally ill because when asked to go to war for our nation, he went. I have respect for him, and would be willing to help him. However there have to be limits. Im my opinion, staking out a public memorial as your own turf, and having a vicsious dog to protect it is beyone these limits. Yes he is a veteran. Well, what about the grandson of a vet who wants to see the memorial, should he have to put up with a vicious dog? What about an old man on a cane, who was a WW1 vet. Should he be allowed to vist the memorial without fear of being attacked by a dog?

205 posted on 11/08/2001 6:46:36 AM PST by Rodney King
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To: Rodney King

"A bum is living in a park with a vicious dog. I have a 16 month old daughter, and we live right by a park with a war memorial. We walk there all the time. If there was a smelly bum living there with a vicious dog who was biting people that got too close to the memorial I would want him gone, too."

Seems kinda irresponsible to me that you would let your kid go near the dog. And if the guy stinks, so what, walk upwind of him ... its a free country!

" But it is absurd to think that this guy has a right to live on the war memorial."

In my view, he has more of a right to be there than someone like you would. He paid for his right to be there in blood and his own flesh! What have you given?

206 posted on 11/08/2001 6:48:05 AM PST by Colt .45
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To: Colt .45
Seems kinda irresponsible to me that you would let your kid go near the dog. And if the guy stinks, so what, walk upwind of him ... its a free country!

I wouldn't. Thats the point. Public lands are public lands, and people with vicious dogs should not be allowed to just stake them out to prevent me and my daughter form walking by. You are right about the "stinks" part, that was out of line.

207 posted on 11/08/2001 6:49:58 AM PST by Rodney King
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To: Colt .45
In my view, he has more of a right to be there than someone like you would.

Yes, he would. Are you saying thought that every vet has a right to stake out land in the middle of any park in any town and protect it with a vicious dog? If being a vet entitles one to land, that's great. I don't think the Feds should own all the land in the west that they do. Let's have a new homestaed act and give this guy 200 acres somewhere.

He paid for his right to be there in blood and his own flesh!

So is it your belief then that any US vet has a right to stake out any piece of land anywhere in the US and defend it with a violent dog?

What have you given? Given that I was only two at the time Saigon fell, and in high school during the gulf war, the answer is nothing if you are referring to combat service.

208 posted on 11/08/2001 6:54:40 AM PST by Rodney King
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To: Rodney King
Please read #53, #58, #63, #71, #93, #191, #192, & #201. This will bring you up to date. Then possibly it may also change your opinion.
209 posted on 11/08/2001 7:20:08 AM PST by B4Ranch
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To: B4Ranch
OK, will do. thanks.
210 posted on 11/08/2001 7:29:44 AM PST by Rodney King
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To: Rodney King

"Are you saying thought that every vet has a right to stake out land in the middle of any park in any town and protect it with a vicious dog?"

While I agree that most laws should be obeyed, there is a point where some laws become onerous and assinine. Did he have a right to stake out that particular piece of land? As much as anyone else I suppose. I think though, that the bit about protecting it with a vicious dog is justified when you consider how our National symbols and ideology have become the prime targets of leftists and folks that hate America. Would he have stayed there indefinitely, I doubt it. But for the City to come along and post the monument as 'No Tresspassing' is nothing more than an example of a power using its might to suppress freedom.

I'd really hate to think how I would be treated in my later years when I am retired from the Military, if I lived on the "Left" Coast in the Peoples Republic of Kalifornia. Luckily I don't, I live in a place where they treat vets with respect.

"So is it your belief then that any US vet has a right to stake out any piece of land anywhere in the US and defend it with a violent dog?"

I didn't say that that is my belief! There was a better way for the incident to be handled, and the City chose to flex its muscle and step on the vet. THAT IS THE ISSUE!

"What have you given? Given that I was only two at the time Saigon fell, and in high school during the gulf war, the answer is nothing if you are referring to combat service."

Have you even tried to serve? If not, don't judge those who have too harshly. You must remember one thing ... The only reason that you sleep securely in your bed is because rough men stand ready to go and visit violence in the night to those who would do us harm. Those "rough men" are the military, and veterans are those who served in that capacity. Does that mean you owe us? Just respect brother, just respect. Most of us aren't out looking for hand outs, we just wish to live out our lives in peace and freedom. After all those are the very things we were fighting for.

211 posted on 11/08/2001 7:32:58 AM PST by Colt .45
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub; glock rocks; B4Ranch
E-mail sent to Mr. Haas, along with my prayers for Mr. Northcut and T.J.

Thanks to all of you for your efforts on their behalf. Godspeed.

212 posted on 11/08/2001 7:41:24 AM PST by RottiBiz
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Please read #53, #58, #63, #71, #93, #191, #192, & #201 for latest updates

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213 posted on 11/08/2001 7:48:11 AM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: B4Ranch
Sent email this morning to conservative radio talkshow host Michael Savage, providing details and a link to this thread. I know some FReepers don't like Savage, but he has one of the largest audiences in talk radio and has views that would be sympathetic to Northcut. If anyone else wants to contact him and encourage him to provide some air time for Northcut and TJ, here's the addy: paulreveresociety@yahoo.com
215 posted on 11/08/2001 11:09:37 AM PST by lonevoice
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To: lonevoice
Thank you MUCH!
216 posted on 11/08/2001 12:04:42 PM PST by B4Ranch
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To: Native American Female Vet
Trespassing on railroad tracks? For God's sake, don't people have something better to do????
217 posted on 11/08/2001 1:00:49 PM PST by MistyCA
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To: Rodney King
Will the real Rodney King please stand up! "Oh, can't we all just get along now!"

Your assumptions about Mr. Northcut are not correct.

218 posted on 11/08/2001 1:09:25 PM PST by MistyCA
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To: Rodney King
This guy is mentally ill because when asked to go to war for our nation, he went.

You and your namesake are both losers!

219 posted on 11/08/2001 1:13:05 PM PST by MistyCA
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To: mystomachisturning
I think you misinterpret my remark. I did not say he was mentally ill for going. I was actually suggesting the guy is honorable. He was asked, he went. The resulting war made him mentally ill. Chill out.
220 posted on 11/08/2001 1:15:42 PM PST by Rodney King
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To: mystomachisturning
Your assumptions about Mr. Northcut are not correct.

Perhaps. B4ranch has asked me to go back and read some posts, which I will do later tonight.

221 posted on 11/08/2001 1:17:02 PM PST by Rodney King
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To: Rodney King
TJ is kept on a leash. He is not roaming free and able to hurt anyone. Lucy from the City of Solano Beach told me that the incident happened when Mr. Northcut left the area for some reason and tied TJ to the flag pole. It was not something that he normally did, but the dog was left on his own to "protect" the flag pole. When a city worker approached the area to do something TJ barked at him to keep him away. He was doing what he was supposed to do...protecting the area where he lived with his master.

The fact that the city has taken advantage of this situation and blown it out of proportion does not surprise me. What you need to realize is that it took 10 years for something to happen that would give the city cause to try to move TJ and his master out of the area. It has become their excuse since they had no other.

222 posted on 11/08/2001 1:18:49 PM PST by MistyCA
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To: Rodney King
Ok...I am chilling. Your explanation is accepted, although your original choice of words was poor (although I make doofus errors myself on occasion).
223 posted on 11/08/2001 1:23:39 PM PST by MistyCA
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To: mystomachisturning
Hello self...I suppose Cultural Jihad and Rodney King (among others) will think there is something quite wrong with my mental state since I am talking to myself. Heck, Snow bunny and Tonk might too! :) However, remember back a long time ago when the only appropriate name seemed to be "mystomachis turning" because the whole Clinton era seemed so preposterous? Remember hearing the talk years ago about that witch Hillary having an agenda to work her way into the WH, and then actually seeing it come to fruition? Remember that jerk Clintoon talking about what kind of underwear he wore, impeachment, Monica, travelgate, fostergate, chinagate, and all the turning and heaving we did over the things that happened the last days Clintoon was in office?

And then there was the election fiasco and the fact that people in NY actually elected Hitlery into office? And then the market fell to pieces and what use to be a nice retirement package suddenly evaporated before our eyes? And then the libs all of a sudden decided that it was Bush's fault???? And then the WTC was attacked and anthrax became a word that even your grandkids can talk about? And now we have this guy, Robert Northcut and his dog TJ!

Self....keep the name. I don't think the tummy is going to be better any time soon.

224 posted on 11/08/2001 1:39:27 PM PST by MistyCA
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To: mystomachisturning; B4Ranch; Native American Female Vet
THREAD 5
225 posted on 11/08/2001 2:29:20 PM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: mystomachisturning; B4Ranch; Native American Female Vet
THREAD 5
226 posted on 11/08/2001 2:29:35 PM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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