Skip to comments.Decorated Vietnam Vet Arrested Guarding War Memorial and American Flag in San Diego(#4)
Posted on 11/07/2001 3:59:48 PM PST by B4Ranch
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Apparently when TJ was with the Border Patrol he chased some Mexicans back across the border and didn't return. When Northcut's previous dog died from old age, someone in the community took him down to Tijuana to the dog pound and he selected TJ after a couple of hours. TJ was brought back to the US, given all the shots needed and a health examination. A local resident buys his dog tags every year to keep him 'legal'.
There is something about people with vicious dogs. They all think that because their relationship with their dog is so special, that they should be immune from responsibility when their dogs attack people. I have seen it happen before. These people almost alwasy beleive that the kid who got bitten was to blame - and they are always wrong.
I'd like to see this hero get some help, and I would like to see him reunited with his dog. But it is absurd to think that this guy has a right to live on the war memorial.
"Oh please, this kind of story doesn't get my sympathy, I don't care if he is a vet, he needs to act more responsibly and obey the law."
Wellllll, I see the crap for Vietnam Vets just never stops. I am a Vietnam Era veteran and as such have a stake in this fight. I feel disgust that I have given 19 of the best years of my life on Active Duty, serving to defend ungrateful, selfish and ignorant people such as you've just displayed you are.
The man had already paid his dues of citizenship wayyyyyyy back in Vietnam. What have you done for this country?
This is more than about the fact that he is homeless, and he slept near a War Memorial on public property. If the property is truly public, he has just as much right to be there as anyone else. But folks out on the "Left Coast" just can't see beyond the ends of their own noses. This means that you bought into the CYA document the City Of Solano Beach wrote. Of course they will try and blame it on something more than just the fact that they didn't want him there. And a judge lets him go with time served! So with that in mind, I gotta bridge to sell ya.
I supposed that if it was any radical student out pissing on that same monument, and that same flag that it would be okay with you? After all isn't that "Freedom of Speech"?
But let a vet, who happens to be homeless, do something he conscientiously feels is his duty; and although he may look a little straggly, and not bothering a soul - "@#$&! HE'S BREAKING THE LAW ... and LET'S CRUCIFY THE GUY!
Folks like you make me sick!
The fact that they are vets is important. That fact would get me to help out providing shelter for the guy, or buying him a tent so he can live in the woods. (As opposed to your average loser bumb, who I really have no sympathy for). This guy is mentally ill because when asked to go to war for our nation, he went. I have respect for him, and would be willing to help him. However there have to be limits. Im my opinion, staking out a public memorial as your own turf, and having a vicsious dog to protect it is beyone these limits. Yes he is a veteran. Well, what about the grandson of a vet who wants to see the memorial, should he have to put up with a vicious dog? What about an old man on a cane, who was a WW1 vet. Should he be allowed to vist the memorial without fear of being attacked by a dog?
"A bum is living in a park with a vicious dog. I have a 16 month old daughter, and we live right by a park with a war memorial. We walk there all the time. If there was a smelly bum living there with a vicious dog who was biting people that got too close to the memorial I would want him gone, too."
Seems kinda irresponsible to me that you would let your kid go near the dog. And if the guy stinks, so what, walk upwind of him ... its a free country!
" But it is absurd to think that this guy has a right to live on the war memorial."
In my view, he has more of a right to be there than someone like you would. He paid for his right to be there in blood and his own flesh! What have you given?
I wouldn't. Thats the point. Public lands are public lands, and people with vicious dogs should not be allowed to just stake them out to prevent me and my daughter form walking by. You are right about the "stinks" part, that was out of line.
Yes, he would. Are you saying thought that every vet has a right to stake out land in the middle of any park in any town and protect it with a vicious dog? If being a vet entitles one to land, that's great. I don't think the Feds should own all the land in the west that they do. Let's have a new homestaed act and give this guy 200 acres somewhere.
He paid for his right to be there in blood and his own flesh!
So is it your belief then that any US vet has a right to stake out any piece of land anywhere in the US and defend it with a violent dog?
What have you given? Given that I was only two at the time Saigon fell, and in high school during the gulf war, the answer is nothing if you are referring to combat service.
"Are you saying thought that every vet has a right to stake out land in the middle of any park in any town and protect it with a vicious dog?"
While I agree that most laws should be obeyed, there is a point where some laws become onerous and assinine. Did he have a right to stake out that particular piece of land? As much as anyone else I suppose. I think though, that the bit about protecting it with a vicious dog is justified when you consider how our National symbols and ideology have become the prime targets of leftists and folks that hate America. Would he have stayed there indefinitely, I doubt it. But for the City to come along and post the monument as 'No Tresspassing' is nothing more than an example of a power using its might to suppress freedom.
I'd really hate to think how I would be treated in my later years when I am retired from the Military, if I lived on the "Left" Coast in the Peoples Republic of Kalifornia. Luckily I don't, I live in a place where they treat vets with respect.
"So is it your belief then that any US vet has a right to stake out any piece of land anywhere in the US and defend it with a violent dog?"
I didn't say that that is my belief! There was a better way for the incident to be handled, and the City chose to flex its muscle and step on the vet. THAT IS THE ISSUE!
"What have you given? Given that I was only two at the time Saigon fell, and in high school during the gulf war, the answer is nothing if you are referring to combat service."
Have you even tried to serve? If not, don't judge those who have too harshly. You must remember one thing ... The only reason that you sleep securely in your bed is because rough men stand ready to go and visit violence in the night to those who would do us harm. Those "rough men" are the military, and veterans are those who served in that capacity. Does that mean you owe us? Just respect brother, just respect. Most of us aren't out looking for hand outs, we just wish to live out our lives in peace and freedom. After all those are the very things we were fighting for.
Thanks to all of you for your efforts on their behalf. Godspeed.
Your assumptions about Mr. Northcut are not correct.
You and your namesake are both losers!
Perhaps. B4ranch has asked me to go back and read some posts, which I will do later tonight.
The fact that the city has taken advantage of this situation and blown it out of proportion does not surprise me. What you need to realize is that it took 10 years for something to happen that would give the city cause to try to move TJ and his master out of the area. It has become their excuse since they had no other.
And then there was the election fiasco and the fact that people in NY actually elected Hitlery into office? And then the market fell to pieces and what use to be a nice retirement package suddenly evaporated before our eyes? And then the libs all of a sudden decided that it was Bush's fault???? And then the WTC was attacked and anthrax became a word that even your grandkids can talk about? And now we have this guy, Robert Northcut and his dog TJ!
Self....keep the name. I don't think the tummy is going to be better any time soon.