Former NTSB Official Doubts Accident Caused Flight 587 Crash

NewsMax.com ^ | 11/12/01

[vrwc54]

Aviation expert and former National Transportation Safety Board official Vernon Grose said late Monday that he's increasingly skeptical that the crash of American Airlines Flight 587 was purely accidental.

"I am backing away from the ready idea that this is simply an accident," Grose told Fox News Channel's John Scott.

The veteran air crash prober said that he questions the sequence in which the plane broke up over Jamaica Bay before slamming into a residential area in Rockaway, Queens.

"Photographs you've already shown tonight [indicate] the vertical stabilizer of the aircraft with the American Airlines insignia right on it [fell into] Jamaica Bay long before the engine falls off in Queens," he told Scott.

Grose said that if the vertical stabilizer detached from Fight 587 over Jamaica Bay, which the plane traversed before plummeting to the ground in Rockaway, it suggested that catastrophic engine failure alone may not have caused the crash.

"No, I don't think that's the situation at all," he told FNC.

"The engine that came free, which apparently was the number 1 left engine, crashed on land. That was well after the vertical stabilizer was detached from the aircraft, and that tells me that somehow ... the airplane was progressively disintegrating, not just losing an engine and then diving into the ground."

"Earlier today I thought it was simply the loss of an engine that caused this," Grose said. "But I'm not convinced now. ... I am becoming more skeptical."

[vrwc54]

I heard this last night on Fox. This article is an accurate account of Grose's comments.

[maquiladora]

Have they recovered the Flight Data Recorder yet, or still just the Cockpit Vocie Recorder?
The FDR has scores of inputs from virtually every section of the plane, if there was a progresive mechanical failure, it would be pretty easy to follow looking at the data.
However, if there was a bomb to blame then you'd see an instant and unexplained knockout of hyd/elec parts in the blast area.
As soon as they find the FTR it shouldn't take the NTSB too long to figure out what happened.

[firewalk]

I don't believe that this plane crash was an accident.

And by the way, I'll probably have to get another keyboard after seeing the picture in your profile. LOL!

[vrwc54]

Oops...already posted here. My search didn't show find it.

[dawn53]

Just heard former FAA official on MSNBC, his problem with the accident theory was how come the tail came off first.

Plus an FBI guy said the NTSB and FBI were essentially doing a parallel investigation.

[mommadooo3]

On other threads, 'they' said that they heard no one rushing into the cockpit, etc, to indicate a terrorist crash. So, therefore, 'they' think it was 'just' an accident.

If a bomb went off in the baggage compartment, does it usually announce' I think it's time for me to blow up'????

[maquiladora]

But would a bomb in the luggage comparment blow off an engine at the end of a wing and sheer off the tailsection at different times but leave the rest if the plane intact?

This is still quite strange, the more I think about it, the less sure i am about anything

[firewalk]

It could have also been an act of sabotage during maintenance? Whatever it was, I don't believe this plane crash was an accident.

[mommadooo3]

I just got done reading another thread that said eye witnesses saw an explosion while the plane was still in the sky, on its way down.

[mommadooo3]

I don't believe it's an accident either.

They haven't released the passenger list. I keep wondering if there was some govt hot-shot on that plane. LOL...tin foil is REALLY hard to remove.

[dawn53]

I did see a passenger list this morning on some site. But it was only a partial list, and from first view most of the passengers had ties to Dominican Republic.

[dawn53]

Just remembered where I saw it, Drudge has a partial list of passengers.

[mommadooo3]

Thanks!

[chatham]

Deja Vu. Shades of TWA 800, 90 people witnessed a bright light going up from the ground in an arc toward flight 800 just before it blew up.

Clinton's FBI said it was a accident.

Funny, that's the same thing they said about an hour after this plane hit the ground.

I really have a tough time believing the FBI, especially so quick, after the crash and in light of TWA800

[firewalk]

Tin Foil Hat...LOL! If I had said before Sept 11, that I thought a bunch of planes would be intentionally crashed within moments of eachother, I would've been laughed off this forum. And I wouldn't have blamed anyone back then. We're in very different times now. No tin foil here.

[MasonGal]

Vernon Grose is on FOX RIGHT now!!!

[MasonGal]

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[MasonGal]

Vernon Grose will be on again -right after the break - taking phone calls.

[MasonGal]

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[Fiddlstix]

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