Skip to comments.Is This Gay Behavior Sick?
Posted on 11/21/2001 6:50:27 AM PST by Stand Watch Listen
Imagine that an organism is sick. Imagine that the sick cells convince the organism that they were healthy, and in fact, the healthy cells are sick. The gullible organism would just get sicker and sicker.
This is the relationship between society and homosexuals today. Gays argue that same-sex behavior is no different than being left-handed. On the other hand, they say heterosexual behavior is not natural, but socially conditioned and oppressive. Heterosexual society and family are being ravaged. Our stupid, opportunistic and craven leaders have betrayed us. We don´t even know we are at war.
Let´s decide whom, in fact, is sick.
Let´s look at gay behavior as defined by two gays, Marshall Kirk and Hunter Madsen Ph.D., authors of After the Ball: How America will Conquer its Fear and Hatred of Gays in the 90´s(1989).
In Chapter Six, they outline ten categories of misbehavior, drawn from their own experiences, wide reading and thousands of hours of conversation with hundreds of other gays. Their contention is that the gay lifestyle, not gay sexuality mind you, is the pits. They want gays to improve their image by addressing what is wrong with a lot of gays. (276)
What follows are some highlights. As you read this, ask yourself if there is another human community, including the Mafia that could make these generalizations about itself. Ask yourself if we haven´t caught this disease, or at least the sniffles.
The authors say a surprisingly high percentage of pathological liars and con men are gay. This results from a natural habit of self-concealment, and leads to a stubborn self-deception about one´s own gayness and its implications.
They say gays tend to reject all forms of morality and value judgments. Gay morality boils down to If it feels good, I´ll do it! If a gay feels like seducing a trusted friend´s lover, he´ll do it, justifying it as an act of sexual freedom and the friend be damned.
They say gays suffer from a narcissistic personality disorder and they give this clinical description: pathological self absorption, a need for constant attention and admiration, lack of empathy or concern for others, quickly bored, shallow, interested in fads, seductive, overemphasis on appearance, superficially charming, promiscuous, exploitative, preoccupied with remaining youthful, relationships alternate between over idealization and devaluation.
As an example of this narcissism, the authors say a very sizable proportion of gay men who have been diagnosed HIV positive continue to have unprotected sex.
They say the majority of gays are extremely promiscuous and self-indulgent. They must continuously up the ante to achieve arousal. This begins with alcohol and drugs and includes such forbidden aspects of sex as wallowing in filth (fetishism and coprophilia) and sadomasochism, which involves violence.
They say many gays indulge in sex in public bathrooms and think it is antigay harassment when it is stopped. Many think they have a right to importune straight males, including children.
Many gays are single minded sexual predators fixated on youth and physical beauty alone. When it comes to the old or ugly, gays are the real queerbashers. Disillusioned themselves, they are cynical about love.
Relationships between gay men don´t usually last very long. They quickly tire of their partners and fall victim to temptation. The cheating ratio of married´ gay males, given enough time, approaches 100%.
Even friendships are based on the sexual test and hard to sustain. Unattractive gay men find it nearly impossible to find a friend, let alone a lover.
The authors say gays tend to deny reality in various ways: wishful thinking, paranoia, illogic, emotionalism and embracing crackpot ideas.
Is there any doubt that this behavior is sick? I feel no malice toward gays. I feel the same way about people who have the flu. I want them to get better and I don´t want it to spread.
Unfortunately, even the authors of this book are deceiving themselves. They claim that it is the gay lifestyle and NOT gay sexuality that is the pits. Who are they kidding? The two are inseparable.
The authors of this book are public relations experts who believe that our problem is fundamentally one of bad image with straights. The book details a comprehensive public-relations campaign that should go a long way towards sanitizing our very unsanitary image:
Desensitization: flooding straight America with advertising presenting gays in the least offensive manner possible.
Jamming: Advertising that equates fear of gays with hatred of Jews, Blacks and women.
Conversion: Presenting images of gays that look like regular folks. The image must be the icon of normality.
They say it makes no difference that the ads are lies because we are using them to counter negative stereotypes that are every bit as much lies.
This book was written in 1989 and obviously a campaign similar to this has taken effect. Read what the authors say about it:
By Conversion, we mean something far more profoundly threatening to the American Way of Life [than subversion] We mean conversion of the average American´s emotions, mind, and will, through a planned psychological attack, in the form of propaganda fed to the nation via the media. We mean to turn their hatred into warm regard whether they like it or not. (153)
Thus gays want Americans to learn that something they naturally and justifiably regard as sick, is in fact healthy. Thus Americans will be defenseless to resist their importunities whether in parks, barracks, bathrooms or classrooms.
It is a measure of the authors´ cynicism and self-deception that THEY quote psychologist M. Scott Peck, who in People of the Lie characterizes people who suffer from malignant narcissism simply as evil.
Evil people, Peck says, have an unshakable will to be right and will not consider the possibility that they are wrong Their main weapon, interestingly enough is the lie with which they distort reality to look good to themselves, and to confuse others. (297)
Gays can continue to fool themselves. But let us not. Some of these people are evil. Their behavior is sick. And it´s contagious.
Actually, that isn't true. Homosexuality is inherently deviant since it is completely outside of the heterosexual norm.
A lot of the prejudice against gays originated in Biblical times...
Hmmmm, I smell a little whiff of anti-Christian bigotry in the wind.
...when it was imperative to be fruitful and multiply in order to ensure the survival of the tribe, or the species.
Bad news for you, the species still needs to survive.
Any activity that didn't lead to reproduction was bad, because it didn't contribute to the survival of the group.
Actually, that isn't true, activity that God termed an abomination was bad.
These days, when we have too many people crowding the earth...
Oh I see, next you're going to tell us that we all drown because the Earth is warming all because of us. Sorry, but Malthus has been shown to be wrong again and again and...
The [Roman Catholic] Church still officially forbids any kind of birth control, including contraceptives, doesn't it?
Actually, they do permit the Rhythm Method of conception control. If you wish more information on the practices of the Roman Catholic Church, I'm sure there are some Freepers who could supply that for you.
Sick, sick, sick!
Oh I get it. I wondered why queer agenda articles were appearing on FR with greater and greater frequency. At one point about two weeks ago there were four distinct articles in in the recent posts list when I logged in. I thought I was at QueerRepublic for a second. Anyways I'd just like to let you to know it's not working. We need to start enforcing current anti-sodomy laws, pass new anti-sodomy laws in states which have repealed them, and increase the severity of punishment for these crimes against society. My own feeling is this needs to be a capital crime once again.
The author does his cause no service by appending that mythical, loaded statement to his article.
If someone ignores or violates the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church, I really don't know how they can consider themselves a Roman Catholic. That's why I had to leave the Democrat Party even though the local Democrats were as conservative as the Republicans.
Do you think the Catholic Church may some day emerge fully into the 18th century?
So that they can embrace buggery, abortion, and Bill Clinton along with you? I doubt they see the need.
Five stars, Analogy of the Year Award! In fact, the whole article is five stars, and I wouldn't mind reading more by this author. The ONLY THING good about islam is the way they treat those convicted of this particularly disgusting form of debauchery.
This is pure crap! Deviant infers the departure from a normal man/woman relationship and not their sexual activity. Perversion is not equal or comparable to a man/woman relationship and comparing it as such is irrelevant and ludicrous.
The century that culminated in the Reign of Terror that's served ever since as the model for totalitarian ideologies? I pray not.
So there. Except for one, these generalizations could apply to the mafia as well as they could apply to homosexuals.LOL. Damning with faint praise?
I think it was during season 3, but it might have been during season 2. The focus of the episode was college football gambling: after being made, Christopher was having difficulty making the nut he owed Paulie Walnuts, and Paulie was giving him hell for it. It was the episode where Chris caught Paulie taking a surreptitious sniff of Adrianna's, uh, intimate apparel.
You can only define homosexual behavior as "deviant" if you also define any sexual activity that isn't aimed at producing children as deviant.Not even remotely true. Sexual activity with a marriage fosters unity and closeness in the marital bond, strengthening the fundamental building block of society, the family, even if there are no children.
There are many sexual activities engaged in by men and women that aren't directed toward impregnantion. Sex between two men or sex between two women is simply one of those non-reproductive sexual activities.Just like sex between a man and a goat, or between a man and a child are simply two more of those non-reproductive sexual activities.
A lot of the prejudice against gays originated in Biblical times, when it was imperative to be fruitful and multiply in order to ensure the survival of the tribe, or the species. Any activity that didn't lead to reproduction was bad, because it didn't contribute to the survival of the group.Riiiigghhtt. If you are referring to the Bible then the prejudice originated because this guy we call God said so. The Jews didnt get together and say we stone gays because they dont bear children. They stoned gays because they felt it immoral and contrary to Gods Word. Agree or disagree with that Word, dont misrepresent it.
These days, when we have too many people crowding the earth,Auuughghhhhh!!!!! The sky is falling. Again. You sound like the Bible beaters who keep claiming the end times are here. Really, they mean it this time. Even though all such predictions have been wrong before.
The Catholic Church is one of the last holdouts for the "be fruitful and multiply" point of view in the modern world.And darn proud of it, but truth be told you are leaving quite few people out.
The Church still officially forbids any kind of birth control, including contraceptives, doesn't it?Yes, but we do allow NFP, which brings us to:
Wow! I'm impressed by the Church's liberalism. They actually allow Catholics to use the rhythm method (also known as Vatican Roulette).99% effective. How effective are condoms? (I mean assuming they are actually used) 99%? Same number? So what is that, Satans Roulette?
Do you think some Catholics ignore the Church's injunctions against contraception? Maybe even laugh at them?Certainly, just as some other Christians ignore Christs injunctions. Maybe even laugh at them.
Do you think?Yes. You?
Do you think the Catholic Church may some day emerge fully into the 18th century?Actually, to the extent we are stuck anywhere we are stuck in the first century. But in reality we prefer to the truth, a concept that is outside time, does not age, and does not change. You may choose to be modern all you like. It is your loss.
For centuries, the Catholic Church taught that sex just for the fun of it was a mortal sin which would damn you to hell for all eternity.Nope. Just having sex once damns you to hell for all eternity? You have little to no understanding of Catholicism. Mortal sin yes, damned to hell for eternity on the spot? No. Married couples are indeed supposed to have sex, including sex just for the fun of it.
I'm not a homo hater---I feel they've got every right to live the way they choose to live, but I definitely think they've got to lighten up about it. "Queer" is really a perfect word for them, because I can't fathom why any red blooded male would choose to get busy with Brad Pitt over Jennifer Lopez. But hey, to each his own.
You're bound to stumble on an idea, sooner or later.
Unfortunately any of us that have ever sinned have sinned just as bad. That would include everyone but Jesus.
If that doesn't say it all...
What kind of laws do you have in mind?
Will you punish anal variety of sodomy more harshly than the oral version?
Would both forms of heterosexual sodomy---anal and oral---be legal, or would they be illegal as well?
I agree with you, 115% !! !! !!
This 'Queer as a Football Bat' Alternative Lifestyle" has grown waaay to far. To be such a small percentage of the public....they sure do make more than their share of noise.
....Question....Isn't this part of what brought down the Roman Empire????
Well, you wouldn't be eating shellfish, but you wouldn't be sacrificing animals on an altar. Christ took care of that one.
On the other hand, it could end up destroying humanity itself if the virus ever mutated and became airborne (Read the Red Zone, a true story about the CDC).
Then one could argue that maybe Mother Earth is trying to rid itself of the one organism that it sees as most self destructive - humans - because of the air, earth and water pollution - rain forest depletion, ozone layer destruction, you name it - I remember reading here (Free Republic) linking a report that said something to the effect that a gay man's life expectancy is decades lower than a heterosexual male - because of the high risk behaviors gays indulge in -
Does anyone remember that report and can they link to it?
Why are you projecting your personal abhorrence of sacredness on others, including many believers who find it a source of joy and delight?
You're bound to stumble on an idea, sooner or later.
Excellent!!! I wish I would have thought of that.
I guess in your hurry to respond, you missed the fact that the folks saying the things you're shooting at, are gay activists.
So true. Psychology is one of the biggest pseudo sciences ever invented.
Jews can speak for themselves, but Christians are not bound by Old Testament Law. If you think of the Bible as an instruction manual, you're missing the point.
LOL! Well, if you thought any of us needed proof that you didn't know anything about the Bible, you surely handed us all we need with that backwards quote.
Yes, if you were a Kosher-keeping Jew, you would have to avoid shellfish but if you were a Christian, you would not as the book of Acts will tell you.
As to the sacrifice, as a Jew you'd know that you only do that at the Temple in Jerusalem (kind of hard since that Roman thing in 70 AD) and the Christian knows that we are not to sacrifice anything as the ultimate sacrifice has been completed.
Yes, those are all aspects of the Lord's Covenant with the Jews.
So are we saying those are all antiquated now?
No, but as those of us who know the Bible can tell you, the only aspects of the Judaic law that are binding on the Christian are those involving sexual morality.
By the way, what exactly does the Bible say about homosexuality?
It calls it an abomination.
We just might have different opinions as to what is sacred.
Possibly. What does "sacred" mean to you? What do you mean when you use that word?
You're wrong to suppose that I equate sacredness and fun. I only reject your assertion that they're mutually antagonistic.
Nope! Go back and re-read my statement and you'll see that I don't mention AIDS at all. Homosexuality very well may be nature's way of stopping defective genes from being passed on. Normalizing the perversion would be a grave mistake.