Camp for Nude Witches Fights Closing

Reuters ^ | 11-28-2001

[Colonel Jim]

You have got to be kidding!

[All-American Medic]

"If there was a 'religion' that esposed pedophilia, enjoined its members to public nudity, drunken orgies, etc, are you telling me that the local community is powerless to act against it?" Pedophilia is illegal and anyone engaging in it should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Nudity and Orgies are not illegal, and no the local community should not be able to stop it, if it occurs on private land. Try this, supposing you are a religious conservative, and form a conservative church or group in an area or town dominated by Liberals, Do the Liberals have the right to tell you that you cannot meet or worship?? What you are doing is giving the community rights above the individual based on community norms. The community has a right to comment on what is done in a "public" arena, but not what happens on private land or a private home as long as the behavior is not illegal.

[All-American Medic]

"So I have to sit back and watch my schools and libraries and media and countryside be taken over by queers and witches and sit by and applaud. I also should applaud everytime the ACLU kicks out some vestage or hint that a person named Jesus Christ ever walked the earth from every place in my town except the closed doors of churches and houses? To do would be less than American. Well, I'm a Christian, it is my highest title, then comes husband then comes father of 8, then comes American somewhere else after that." No one is talking about schools here!!!!! I dont believe any religion be it christianity or paganism be taught or advocated in public school, thats what homes and churches are for. We are talking about people, peaceably practicing a religion they take as seriously as you take you religion. They are practicing this religion on private land, they purchased with their own funds. They are not forcing anyone to participate in these practices who doesnt want to. But you are advocating that the community in which this PRIVATE retreat is located, has the right to stop them from practicing their religion on the land, and in fact should be able to shut down the camp, for the simple reason that they do not approve of the religion. I simply believe that the community has no right to do this, and in fact are in direct opposition of the constitutional rights of free assembly and freedom of religion.

[tonycavanagh]

re : But I won't be fooled into supporting them.

But that is the point there is much I don’t support which I also do not actively oppose.

Take drugs, I do not support drug taking, and I will definitely not encourage someone to take drugs or to view it as a right, but on the same coin I do not believe in trying to stop someone who has made up there mind that, that is what they want to do.

To me witches and dancing its all new age hippy stuff, if people want to go into the woods and act in my mind like idiots well let them you just wont catch me amongst them.

Cheers Tony

[slhill]

So does every Jew, Hindu and Muslim in your country. They all reject the divinity of Jesus. Go pick on them for a change.

[biblewonk]

Correct. There is nothing wrong with nudist camps where people of all ages enjoy social nudity and wholesome nude recreation.

Riiight!

[classygreeneyedblonde]

Are you a witch?

[ArGee]

As far as the one pair being the same as another, etc. that comment was made in response to a staggeringly ignorant comment by biblewonk to the effect that doctors are aroused when they see nudity professionally.

I know. I just wanted to make a statement in celebration of the beauty of the female form. I hope I can thank G-d that I don't look at women's bodies (tastefully clothed, of course) without any clinical detatchment whatsoever without offending any medical personnel on FR.

Shalom.

[Tribune7]

Addressing it from that perspective is even simpler. If a child, who had not received permission from his parents to go there, chose to trespass on private property for the purpose of playing peeping tom, it is the child who has broken the law, NOT the people of the camp. It is no different from that same child walking onto your property, hiding in the dark, and trying to catch a glimpse of you or your spouse naked. It is the kid who has broken the law.

The point being made concerns the teens being welcomed by the people at the camp -- the campfire nudists knowing the teen is there and not sending him or her home.

This type of irresponsibility is not necessarily grounds for a criminal prosecution. It is or should be grounds for revoking the land-use permit.

If the campers see the kid and call the police that's a different story.

[Hemingway's Ghost]

OK who said it was clichet time? I thought we were acually trying to think up our own sentences here.

You mean cliche, with that faggoty french accent over the "e"? I use them when "debating" with you because you've already demonstrated an inability to understand analogy (that baby in the road one was terrible), and cliches, though tired, are often the best literary devices to make a well-established, universal point.

Thanks for the constructive criticism, though. I'm actually a professional writer, and here's some for you: when trying to make religious points, try writing like someone from the 21st century. Crap like this:

"A blind man is trying to describe a room to me that I can clearly see."

"I'm a citizen of a higher place and only a visitor here. In that Country it IS my duty, responsibility, and birthright, to testify to lost souls, that they are lost and that He is the way the truth and the life. If you reject that testimony, your blood is not on my hands."

is really, really trite. And boring to boot.

But all this is really extracurricular, isn't it? Why don't you answer the question: why do you have such a tremendous inability to mind your own business? Why are you so concerned with how other people worship whatever God it is they choose to worship? What's it to you?

[Tribune7]

Pagans may not have the same sexual mores as you, but, they are still people who would recognise the kid for what he was - a minor and an outsider.

Really? Having known a few pagans in my life, I would agree.They would recognize the kid as a minor and an outsider. And they would try to corrupt/seduce him/her anyway if they thought they could get away with it.

[biblewonk]

Correct. There is nothing wrong with nudist camps where people of all ages enjoy social nudity and wholesome nude recreation.

There is no such thing as wholesome nude recreation anymore than there is such a thing as innocent sinless people. If you don't believe in sin do to your personal religion then we will never agree about much of anything.

[Tribune7]

As underage individuals - they would not be allowed into the camp without their parents.

Says who? Again if these people are doing everything right there is no problem. But if they are placing themselves in a situation where they can be credibly accused of pedophilia and statuatory rape, pull the permit.

Do unaccompanied minors frequently just show up at Christian retreats?

Without parental permission? No. The reason why parents are more likely to trust sending trust their children to organizations founded on Christian values -- the Boy Scouts come to mind -- is because those values defer to parental authority and reinforce traditional sexual mores. Did you ever consider why sexual predators target the Boy Scouts?

[Tribune7]

Ah, yeah. You don't. Do you really know any Pagans?

[biblewonk]

Why don't you answer the question: why do you have such a tremendous inability to mind your own business? Why are you so concerned with how other people worship whatever God it is they choose to worship? What's it to you?

Why are you putting words in mouth? Cliche's at that. Funny that I, the most non spellingwonk in the world would run into writer. My best friend, newgeezer, has lots of fun with my terrible spelling.

But again, you are putting words in my mouth. That discription of me is totally unfair and all I can do is protest it. I believe in predestination more than most Christians you will ever meet so it would be against my doctrine to worry about saving people or to worry that they can hurt anyone who is saved. Wicca is a pathetic little lie that is little more than a sex fest for some and a dress code for others. I won't say I don't care about people because I want them all to be saved but I am comfortable with God's ability to save them through exactly what we are doing right now.

[Neets]

Bravo!!!!!!!!! Heehehe, now I see what you were talking about .....unbelieveable.