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'Witchcraft' Murders Cast A Gruesome Spell
Washington Post ^ | November 28,2001 | SAO LUIS

Posted on 11/28/2001 10:12:40 AM PST by electron1

Edited on 09/03/2002 4:49:35 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

In his mind's eye, the image of what Jose Antonio Serra saw in a burned patch of jungle on the Amazon's edge is still chillingly fresh -- not because the murder happened just seven weeks ago, but because there are some things a father can never forget.

What he found, a short walk from his family's mud hut, were the remains of his 13-year-old son: a figure on its knees, head buried in the dirt, genitals and middle figure removed with cuts that looked almost surgical. In shock, Serra noticed an odd detail: The mutilated body looked diminished, even shrunken. Then he noticed the gash in the boy's jugular vein, and realized that his blood had been drained.


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Due to the restrictions on posting WP articles in full, the rest of the article can be found at the link above.

The article talks about gruesome witch killings done on little children.

1 posted on 11/28/2001 10:12:40 AM PST by electron1
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To: electron1
May be the plot of the next Harry Potter book
2 posted on 11/28/2001 10:18:01 AM PST by spycatcher
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To: electron1
Oh give me a break! There's no harm in a little witchcraft. Everybody knows it's all about being cute and funny and getting away with little "cheats". My gosh!

What are you, some kind of a bible thumper? How dare you even bring this up. There ought to be rules.
3 posted on 11/28/2001 10:18:07 AM PST by AD from SpringBay
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To: electron1
But ... But ...

We are no better than they are.

Who are we to judge?

All cultures are equally good.

All cultures are equally valid.

It would be wrong to criticize.

4 posted on 11/28/2001 10:21:58 AM PST by ClearCase_guy
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To: spycatcher
May be the plot of the next Harry Potter book

In book four one of the bad guys cuts off his own arm and tosses it into a cauldron to render a spell efficacious. Any similarity to real life witchcraft is surely coincidental.

5 posted on 11/28/2001 10:22:09 AM PST by Aquinasfan
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To: spycatcher
And the bad guy drinking the unicorn blood is surely coincidental too.
6 posted on 11/28/2001 10:23:12 AM PST by Aquinasfan
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To: spycatcher
May be the plot of the next Harry Potter book

Here's hoping you just forgot the /sarcasm tag.

7 posted on 11/28/2001 10:25:51 AM PST by Ward Smythe
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To: Aquinasfan
And the bad guy drinking the unicorn blood is surely coincidental too.

There are unicorns in Brazil?

8 posted on 11/28/2001 10:26:30 AM PST by Ward Smythe
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To: Aquinasfan
I'll be standing by for the rash of self-amputations that will no doubt be occurring any day now.
9 posted on 11/28/2001 10:31:24 AM PST by alpowolf
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To: Ward Smythe
There are unicorns in Brazil?

The article states that the boy's body was drained of blood. What do you suppose the black magic practitioners do with it?

Coincidentally, Voldemort, the chief practitioner of black magic in HP drinks the blood of a unicorn to gain some kind of power.

You could probably do a search on "Satanism + blood drinking." I don't have the stomach for it right now.

10 posted on 11/28/2001 10:34:01 AM PST by Aquinasfan
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To: alpowolf
I'll be standing by for the rash of self-amputations that will no doubt be occurring any day now.

Notice that mutilation is an essential part of real-life black magic rituals, as it is in the fictional children's book series, Harry Potter.

You can go back to creating straw arguments to knock down now.

11 posted on 11/28/2001 10:36:33 AM PST by Aquinasfan
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To: electron1
This line was worth the price of admission:

However, as the victims' parents and community leaders have blamed the slayings on the dark side of popular African-influenced religions practiced by millions of Brazilians, that tolerance is facing its greatest test in years.

13 posted on 11/28/2001 10:41:12 AM PST by Aquinasfan
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To: Mr. Vega
I don't say this often, but you're a sick person. And you do not merit a reply. This reply is for any lurkers.

Even more interesting coincidence, in an older work, a Jewish deity called Yahweh likes blood strewn about the altar.

Animal blood. The Jews often lapsed into animal worship. This was the Lord's cure.

Note that cultures contemporary to the Jews often performed infanticide or human sacrifice, unlike the Jews. That is the lesson of the story of Abraham and Isaac, of which you seem to be conveniently ignorant.

Unlike you or I, this deity couldn't forgive sins without a murder being committed, either of the sinner or some substitute. Didn't have to be human.

God couldn't forgive a man's sins unless the sinner was killed? Or do you mean that a sinner could not be forgiven unless a human was sacrificed? You may be reading Aztec history.

God did require the sacrifice of animals in the Old Testament for the reasons stated above, and also as a form of penance, which shouldn't be problematic unless you're a member of PETA.

Anyways, in this morally appalling work, which has a human sacrifice as it's culmination, his thirst was finally quenched on his own son's blood.

You mislead by separating God the Father from the Son. They are separate Persons in the same Substance. God redeems us by sacrificing Himself in the ultimate act of love.

Notice that the obscene self-mutilation in Harry Potter is an attempt to gain power, as is the real life mutilation described in this article.

14 posted on 11/28/2001 10:53:45 AM PST by Aquinasfan
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To: AD from SpringBay
Perfect!
15 posted on 11/28/2001 10:54:02 AM PST by notfondajane
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To: AD from SpringBay
Oh no this isn't so. Ask any Potterheads. Their is no such thing as witchcraft. There is no such thing as satan. They know just ask them. They know so much more than any occult specialist.
MCD
16 posted on 11/28/2001 10:54:33 AM PST by MSCASEY
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To: Mr. Vega
You are perverse and ignorant.
17 posted on 11/28/2001 10:55:30 AM PST by notfondajane
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To: MSCASEY
Where did they all go?
18 posted on 11/28/2001 10:57:25 AM PST by Aquinasfan
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To: Ward Smythe
And the bad guy drinking the unicorn blood is surely coincidental too.

There are unicorns in Brazil?

There aren't any unicorns anywhere. So the next best choice is human blood.

19 posted on 11/28/2001 10:59:48 AM PST by JoeSchem
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To: Aquinasfan
Notice that mutilation is an essential part of real-life black magic rituals

Not being into black magic myself I'll take your word for it. Hmmm, you seem to know a lot about it...

All kidding aside, let's look at my "strawman": you are clearly drawing a cause-and-effect relationship between Harry Potter and real life black magic. "Any similarity to real life witchcraft is surely coincidental" (no sarcasm tag but I could hear it all the same.) Given that millions of people, children and adults alike, have read the books and seen the movie we should see a huge upsurge of self-mutilation, shouldn't we?

20 posted on 11/28/2001 11:02:27 AM PST by alpowolf
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To: electron1
Sounds like the case in The Alienist ...
21 posted on 11/28/2001 11:06:25 AM PST by Junior
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To: Aquinasfan
...drinks the blood of a unicorn to gain some kind of power.

Actually I believe the blood is life sustaining, not a source of power, but that's beside the point.

But, for the record, he is the evil guy. And the drinking of blood is a bad thing. Harry does not drink blood.

22 posted on 11/28/2001 11:06:45 AM PST by Ward Smythe
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To: Aquinasfan
Probably looking for another thread where it will be easy to speak out and say that there is no such thing as witchcraft. It is easy to see Mr. Vega's god. Just remember one day Our Father will send His Son to take care of Mr. Vega's father.
23 posted on 11/28/2001 11:09:05 AM PST by MSCASEY
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To: Aquinasfan
Notice that the obscene self-mutilation in Harry Potter is an attempt to gain power

But as you continue to omit, it's the evil one trying to gain power by the drinking of the blood. It is clearly presented as evil in both the book and the movie.

24 posted on 11/28/2001 11:11:26 AM PST by Ward Smythe
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To: Aquinasfan
Where can I find a unicorn. I needs its blood for the spells i learned in Harry Potter.
25 posted on 11/28/2001 11:12:36 AM PST by Phantom Lord
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To: MSCASEY
Where might I obtain a unicorn? I really need the blood of one ASAP to cast a spell on a coworker.
26 posted on 11/28/2001 11:14:22 AM PST by Phantom Lord
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To: MSCASEY
Because Harry does not drink blood he is not a bad guy. That is why lieing, stealing, and breaking rules only to be rewarded are okay, because Harry does not drink blood. And his spells are okay. They are good spells. And pigs can fly too!
MCD
27 posted on 11/28/2001 11:14:52 AM PST by MSCASEY
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To: MSCASEY
Just remember one day Our Father will send His Son to take care of Mr. Vega's father.

And if that condemning statement isn't straight from the pit, I don't know what is.
Regardless of what you think of Mr. Vega and of Harry Potter, no one set you up to judge where one spends eternity.

You have a strange way with evangelism.

28 posted on 11/28/2001 11:16:15 AM PST by Ward Smythe
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To: Phantom Lord
Where might I obtain a unicorn?

I think the lesbians got all of them...or was it the Lebanese?

29 posted on 11/28/2001 11:17:36 AM PST by Ward Smythe
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To: Phantom Lord
Why don't you use something simalar to a mandrake. But don't let it grow up before you chop it up and stew it because it might fight back. Maybe you should leave it at the baby stage as the satanist do!
MCD
30 posted on 11/28/2001 11:18:03 AM PST by MSCASEY
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To: alpowolf
we should see a huge upsurge of self-mutilation, shouldn't we?

My concern is that children are being exposed/desensitized to obscene violence and horrific occult practices.

31 posted on 11/28/2001 11:18:04 AM PST by Aquinasfan
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Not to worry, babies blood works just as good. HP, witchcraft and this has no connection, just move on folks. It's just about Christian overreaction!

Prayers for GW and the Truth!

32 posted on 11/28/2001 11:18:13 AM PST by bray
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To: MSCASEY
And his spells are okay. They are good spells.

They are fake spells. The children can see that; why can't you?

Of course you could always prove me wrong. Let's see you do the spells.

33 posted on 11/28/2001 11:18:55 AM PST by alpowolf
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He was just laying down his arms for a piecemeal treat[y] - - - -
34 posted on 11/28/2001 11:20:58 AM PST by Woodkirk
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To: Aquinasfan
He was just laying down his arms for a piecemeal treat[y] - - - -
35 posted on 11/28/2001 11:20:59 AM PST by Woodkirk
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To: Ward Smythe
But as you continue to omit, it's the evil one trying to gain power by the drinking of the blood.

And in that great work of children's film-making, The Texas Chainsaw Massacre, it's the evil one who's chopping people up.

The point is, young children are being exposed and desensitized to obscene violence and horrific occult practices.

Can't wait for book 5.

38 posted on 11/28/2001 11:24:24 AM PST by Aquinasfan
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To: Ward Smythe
Regardless of what you think of Mr. Vega and of Harry Potter, no one set you up to judge where one spends eternity.

MCASEY's reference to "Mr. Vega's father" was a reference to Mr. Vega's spiritual father/god, Satan. Which is a reasonable conclusion considering that we may "judge a tree by its fruit."

39 posted on 11/28/2001 11:27:07 AM PST by Aquinasfan
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OK, but you will have a tough time proving that case. How will you measure "desensitization"? In other words, how can I tell that 1)this effect occurred and 2)Harry Potter is the cause?

Does this effect occur even if the viewer knows it isn't real?

Also, your use of the words "obscene violence and horrific occult practices" is IMO overkill.

40 posted on 11/28/2001 11:27:26 AM PST by alpowolf
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To: electron1
I think it was El Chupa Cabra!
41 posted on 11/28/2001 11:27:52 AM PST by Phantom Lord
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To: Aquinasfan
Actually (as you are aware) the Jews did practice animal blood sacrifice long after Yahweh came along. Remember Isaac? That was, of course, a human sacrifice, and fortunately (for Isaac) the Lord let Abraham off the hook...but remember, they did sacrifice a lamb in his place. (He's mentioned both in the Old Testament and in the Q'uran).
43 posted on 11/28/2001 11:30:10 AM PST by Billthedrill
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To: MSCASEY
Your a nut case.
44 posted on 11/28/2001 11:30:48 AM PST by Phantom Lord
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So you're sayign that the kid chopped himself up like the guy in the Harry Potter book? Or are you sayign that somebody else did it, against the kid's wishes... entirely UNLIKE in the Harry Potter book?

Self-mutilation and the mutilation of others are both Satanic practices. In the article here we see an example of the mutilation of others, and the draining of blood for the purpose of drinking.

In Harry Potter we see a character mutilate himself in an act of "black magic" and we also see a character drink blood.

45 posted on 11/28/2001 11:31:27 AM PST by Aquinasfan
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Harry Potter Paraphernalia Found in Al Qaeda Hideout

Harry Potter Books Spark Rise In Satanism Among Children

Thought you might find these links of interest

47 posted on 11/28/2001 11:35:46 AM PST by Phantom Lord
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To: ClearCase_guy
And one of my favorites

"What makes us different, makes us better"

50 posted on 11/28/2001 11:38:16 AM PST by tom paine 2
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