Indonesian Christians Flee Muslims

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[Walkin Man]

Friday December 7 8:19 AM ET

Indonesian Christians Flee Muslims

By DESSIANING SRI ARYANTI, Associated Press Writer

SANGGINRA, Indonesia (AP) - Thousands of Christians were hiding in jungle-clad mountains on Indonesia's Sulawesi island Friday after their villages were attacked and razed by Muslim militias.

Hundreds of homes were destroyed last month in the latest round of sectarian violence in the region - which has left about 1,000 people dead on both sides in the past two years.

In November, Muslim militants drove away security forces in the area then attacked at least three Christian villages in central Sulawesi, local residents said.

There were conflicting reports about the number of deaths in those attacks. Police could confirm only eight dead, but villagers said more were missing.

In one village, Sangginra, the burned-out ruins of hundreds of houses and a church are all that is left of the once-bustling market community. A few haggard-looking villagers returned to Sangginra Friday and searched through the remains of their homes.

``Many people cannot find their wives, husbands or children,'' said local priest Marson Movanti. ``We fled to the mountains and jungle when we heard bombs exploding and rifle fire.''

He said some of the attackers were members of a Muslim militia, Laskar Jihad, which is responsible for much of the religious fighting in the nearby Maluku islands. About 9,000 people have been killed in that conflict in the past three years.

Laskar Jihad leaders in the nearby town of Poso refused to comment on the allegations.

Movanti said many of the attackers were armed with automatic rifles.

Despite government assurances that the worst of the bloodshed was over, international aid agencies have evacuated their staff from the area and human rights activists say it is unlikely that the fighting will end.

On Thursday, security minister Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono toured the region, about 1,000 miles northeast of Jakarta, and assured residents that the situation was under control. About 2,000 police and soldiers have been dispatched to the area.

Although Muslim gangs appear to be responsible for the latest outbreak of fighting, Christian militias have also killed hundreds of Muslims and forced thousands of others to flee their homes. In the bloodiest attack so far, about 100 Muslim villagers were massacred in May last year.

President Megawati Sukarnoputri has not publicly commented on the violence but is considering imposing a state of emergency in the region.

Indonesia is the world's most populous Muslim nation. Nearly 85 percent of its 203 million people are Muslim. The rest are Christian, Hindu or Buddhist.

Meanwhile, in Aceh, another restive Indonesian province, at least five people including two rebels were killed Friday in a gunbattle with government troops, said Lt. Firdaus Komarno, a local military spokesman.

Rebels in the region have been fighting for independence of their gas- and oil-rich province since 1975. More than 6,000 people have been killed, including about 1,300 this years alone.

[ladtx]

Sounds like a religious war to me. But what do I know.

[Walkin Man]

Bump

[Big Bunyip]

Kill 'em -- then dig the bastards up and kill 'em again. The religion of peace? Make that the religion of Rest In Pieces.

[NC Conservative]

I thought Islam was a peaceful religion. Have I been duped? (Sarcasm Alert)

[Walkin Man]

Indonesia is the world's most populous Muslim nation. Nearly 85 percent of its 203 million people are Muslim. The rest are Christian, Hindu or Buddhist.

When Islam becomes the majority religion in a country, the rioting and killing starts and they drop the lie of living in peace with other faiths. Thats how Islam has always been spread, by fear and the sword.

[Ff--150]

Prayers needed for our brothers and sisters--God bless them.

[Walkin Man]

Have I been duped?

The whole world has but after the wake-call of Sept 11 the blinders have come off of many people I think. We are seeing the "peaceful" followers of Mohammed as the Israelis have seen them for years; mad-dog killers.

[dennisw]

When Islam becomes the majority religion in a country, the rioting and killing starts and they drop the lie of living in peace with other faiths. Thats how Islam has always been spread, by fear and the sword.

They made Lebanon and Kosovo into sh**holes. Both were Christian nations 50 years ago. Now they are Muslim run.

Christians had one nation (Lebanon) they could call their own in the MidEast. But that was one too many, so Muslims proceeded to make Jihad against Lebanon.

[MizSterious]

It is a religious war, and unfortunately, it's not a new one. It's been ongoing in Indonesia for a few years that I know of for certain. Two families we know have fled Indonesia, one is now in Canada and the other is in Australia. At one point a couple of years ago, the daughter of one was beaten and raped in one of the riots. Some people were pulled out of their houses and beaten to death, their houses looted and nearly destroyed. Their crime was being Christian.

[Cacique]

A FORMER MUSLIM PROFESSOR ON WHY HE LEFT ISLAM (click on picture)

The Hardcover edition.

[MizSterious]

For further "peaceful Muslim" progaganda, see I am a Muslim Woman posted by an Islam apologist. This is the image of Islam in Indonesia they all hope we'll buy into. Unfortunately, the true image is this one: "Thousands of Christians were hiding in jungle-clad mountains on Indonesia's Sulawesi island Friday after their villages were attacked and razed by Muslim militias. "--from the article above.

[VRWC_minion]

sectarian violence

Interesting wording.

[Walkin Man]

Christians had one nation (Lebanon) they could call their own in the MidEast. But that was one too many, so Muslims proceeded to make Jihad against Lebanon.

Yes and they won't stop the jihad until the whole world is made to decend into an Islamic Dark Age.

[VRWC_minion]

Although Muslim gangs appear to be responsible for the latest outbreak of fighting, Christian militias have also killed hundreds of Muslims and forced thousands of others to flee their homes. <

no bias here folks. Muslim gangs "appear to be responsible" and Christians "have killed"

[Walkin Man]

How long before the U.S. becomes an Islamic republic? Fifty years?

What a nitemare that would be! As soon as the muslim population in America reached 50% I bet the rioting, killing, and church burnings would start. All in the name of the "peaceful" prophet of course.

[cake_crumb]

Didn't President Megawati Sukarnoputri decline to join President Bush's anti-terror coalition? This is where appeasement gets you.

I wish reporters and world leaders would get with the program: these people aren't a "militia".
These people are TERRORISTS.

[Walkin Man]

Yeah I read that propaganda, what a load! Contrast that BS with this news story to see the true face of Islam, eh?

[freebilly]

The Islamic propagandists will be joining this thread shortly to justify violence and murder done in the name of Allah.

[Walkin Man]

no bias here folks. Muslim gangs "appear to be responsible" and Christians "have killed"

HA! Good eye VRWC_minion! So here in this one news story we have two widespread lies exposed.

1. The news media is unbiased.

2. Islam is a peaceful religion.

[freebilly]

Indonesia-- Lobbying hard to be next on the anti-terrorist hit list.

[cantfindagoodscreenname]

That's funny! I have a book on my bedstand called "Why I am not a Christian" by Bertrand Russell. My dad, an atheist, loves Russell. I am a Christian and thought that would be an interesting book to read. Unfortunately, he uses strawman arguments to make his points and he doesn't adequately present the Christian viewpoints, so I didn't read far into the book.

This book you mentioned does sound like a good read, though.

Whatever!

[harpseal]

An Islam is peace bump./sarcasm

[A Ruckus of Dogs]

Muslims are instructed by the Koran to kill all infidels

C'mon now. The average Moslem doesn't go around harassing infidels. Let's bring a little reality to this discussion.

[GuillermoX]

No, you haven't been duped. Our Muslim President insists it is, so it must be.

[Travis McGee]

Now if you can only provide some formula or detecting device so that we can all tell the "average moslems" from the inwardly seething, average posing Mohammed Atta human time bombs in waiting, you will be doing humanity a great favor.

[MetalHeadConservative35]

Indonesian Christians Flee Muslims

you mean to tell me we cant give them any air support if it were up to me id be calling in f-18's and ac-130's in to put the jihad punks down

[Travis McGee]

Is anyone compiling an archive of "The Peaceful Religion" threads?

[harpseal]

I know of no such archive and wish there were one.

Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown

[Frances_Marion]

So, is there a Christian "Al Qaeda" yet?

Another book worth reading, this one on the epidemic of persecution of Christian minorities across the world....so where's the minority loving media on this topic?

Their Blood Cries Out

[philosofy123]

You must feel about Moslems just as much as me! Which is impossible. I would say dig them for the third time, burn them too!!!

[watchin]

Depends on what you mean by "average". If you're talking about your neighbor Achmed, who seems to be a nice enough guy, and pretty much "average", then you're right. But you would then be using "average" to mean "a regular guy like me".

If you define average in mathematical terms, and look outside of suburbia - throughout Islam historically and geographically - you're dead wrong. Just take a look at the Islamic states around the globe, and you'll find that they are the most intolerant places on earth. Christian worship, public prayer, churches, and even carrying a Bible are forbidden.

[Robert-J]

I checked out your amazon.com link and read the reviews. A follower of the religion of "peace" from Tripoli, Lebanon, says of this author, "Off with his head."

BTW, maybe patria one, and various libertarians, can come to this thread to either deny or defend the moslem persecution and murder of Christians.

[philosofy123]

Prayers does not help, Mr. christian! Only being loud and IN-YOUR-FACE can help push the stupid politicians to act. If Christians were systematically killing Jews or Moslems, you would have seen the vocal outraged from their side and I mean a whole bunch of countries crying to the UN. So what in the heck is the matter with the stupid Christians! counties, and individuals?

[America's Resolve]

25%. With imports from all around the muslim world to flesh out the numbers needed.

[Torie]

Although Muslim gangs appear to be responsible for the latest outbreak of fighting, Christian militias have also killed hundreds of Muslims and forced thousands of others to flee their homes. In the bloodiest attack so far, about 100 Muslim villagers were massacred in May last year.

I'm not sure this article is the best vehicle for another orgy of Muslim bashing. Just a thought.

[America's Resolve]

The average Moslem doesn't go around harassing infidels.

They don't have to. Enough of the Islamic population does and the rest simply provide support for them.

These aren't terrorists. They're mercenaries, pure and simple. They're hired by islamic interests, they're paid by islamic interests, they're trained by islamic interests, they're equipped by islamic interests and they're given sanctuary by islamic interests.

If you look at all of the major hotspots in the world, Islam is involved with at least 80% of them. You've heard the names: Kashmir, Chechnya, East Timor, Bengladesh, Kossovo, Java, Algeria.

Nobody's making the case that EVERY SINGLE moslem is out killing, that's your cockeyed logic. ENOUGH of them are that eventually, the world is going to have to take steps, FIRMLY.

[patent]

I don't think any library has a staff big enough.

[Capt. Tom]

C'mon now. The average Moslem doesn't go around harassing infidels. Let's bring a little reality to this discussion.

That's because in most religions there are slackers. We could call them MINOs (Muslims in name only)

Those MINOs will be tolerated until a muslim state is established. Then they will be dealt with just like the other infidels. If you don't believe strongly enough to kill for your religion when it requires you to convert or kill infidels you are not a true believer.

The MINO's hash will be settled later. Right now toppling the USA is higher up on the Muslim agenda. Meanwhile the feminized religions who want to forgive and turn the other cheek or pray to God to solve the problem are easy targets.

Fortunately almost every Christian I know is a slacker and when the chips are down they will kill,not for their religion, but to save their asses, and their 401s. Thank goodness for hypocricy and greed. -Tom

[rottweiller_inc]

why would they run from these adherants to this religion of peace? /sarcasm

[4CJ]

Prayers for all of them. Is there an Islamic country where Christians aren't persecuted?

[Ff--150]

The spirit of the Anti-Christ??! See reply 36, I believe?

[Khepera]

[4CJ]

LOL - sorry - I should have put a < /Sarcasm > tag on it.

[xm177e2]

He said some of the attackers were members of a Muslim militia, Laskar Jihad, which is responsible for much of the religious fighting in the nearby Maluku islands. About 9,000 people have been killed in that conflict in the past three years.

They're not just a "militia," they're a TERRORIST group! And if Indonesia doesn't force these people to fall in line...

[Ff--150]

hehehe!

[snippy_about_it]

Worth repeating:

Islam is now the fastest growing religion in the U.S.