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Posted on 12/14/2001 3:32:16 AM PST by tberry
NTSB Destroys Incriminating Evidence
Reed Irvine
Dec. 14, 2001
The National Transportation Safety Board, NTSB, has secretly sent a large part of the wreckage of TWA Flight 800 to a Long Island junkyard for recycling.
Millions of dollars were spent recovering the wreckage from the ocean and transporting it to Calverton, where the fuselage was assembled as a mock-up to impress the public with what a thorough job the investigators – the NTSB and the FBI – were doing.
That was for show, but there was other wreckage that they didn't want shown. Journalists and private investigators were not allowed inside the Calverton hangar to inspect the bulk of the recovered wreckage, but even members of the official investigating team were not allowed into a special area where the FBI secreted items that they didn't want the representatives of the NTSB, TWA, Boeing and the interested unions to see.
The fuselage mock-up will be preserved, together with one of the four engines. The destruction of the rest was carried out in July and August of this year. The recycler says that he had to pledge to keep it secret to get the contract. Long Island's News Channel 12 learned about it only recently.
The NTSB claims that all interested parties were told what they intended to do. The parties who are most interested, those who have carried out their own investigations and are convinced that the government's explanation of the cause of the crash is bogus, were not notified.
The NTSB denies that it kept the demolition secret, but it's clear that it did so. It knew that there were many people interested in the TWA 800 case who would have strenuously objected to the destruction of evidence that they believed would prove the NTSB and FBI had covered up the real cause of the crash – hits by missiles that were seen by hundreds of eyewitnesses.
The FBI was so nervous about what some of the recovered wreckage revealed that it would not allow non-FBI members of the official investigating team to see it. It was kept in a special room that only FBI special agents could access.
Other investigators complained that evidence was taken to that room and never seen again. Now we will never know what vital bits of evidence were hidden in that room.
One of them may have been part of the tail assembly of a drone manufactured by Teledyne Ryan Aeronautical, TRA, in San Diego. We know from a misdirected fax that the FBI asked TRA to send an official to Calverton to see if he could identify some bright orange wreckage.
After seeing it, the official asked his office to send him a parts list and drawings of the tail assembly of the BQM-34 Firebee 1. When I questioned him, he first said it was just junk, but he then switched and said he saw a part similar to a TRA product and that he sent for the drawings to prove that it wasn't theirs.
If it wasn't from a Firebee, it must have been from another drone, evidence the FBI hid and the NTSB has destroyed.
Maj. Fritz Meyer was piloting an Air National Guard helicopter when he saw TWA Flight 800 hit by missiles. Later he viewed the wreckage in the Calverton hangar and was struck by the heavy damage done to a nose wheel and tire. An NTSB official with him remarked that experts told him it was caused by a bomb.
The "bomb" must have been attached to a missile. That was also evidence that had to be destroyed.
When part of the leading edge of the right wing was tested for explosive residue by an Egis machine, 12 positive hits were registered. Maj. Meyer flew the wing section to Washington to be retested by the FBI crime lab, which reported that all but two of the 12 hits were false positives.
Dr. Frederic Whitehurst, the FBI's top explosives expert until he was assigned to a different job when he became a whistle-blower, says that the lab failed to follow proper procedures in retesting the wing.
In any case, there were two positive hits for explosive residue, evidence that a missile had exploded near the plane. That evidence was a serious threat to the government's theory of the cause of the crash.
The destruction of so much evidence that could be used to prove that the government has covered up the real cause of the crash of TWA 800 may have been legal. However, those who ordered it apparently feared they might not have been allowed to get away with it if they did so openly, because it is morally outrageous.
Reed Irvine is chairman of Accuracy in Media.
What did the Clinton Administration have to hide?
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Kinda like the metal front door of the Branch Davidian "compound," and the wreckage of the Murrah building from the Oklahoma City bombing?
The scenario would have to be as follows: Someone was conducting a military exercise with a drone, flying it in airspace full of commercial and private aircraft. The drone would have to hit the airplane, just as a missile was launched, again right smack in the middle of airspace full of commercial and private air traffic, which honed in on the drone, hitting it at almost the same time as the drone impacted the doomed aircraft.
It sounds like a stretch. I still think some missile brought the aircraft down, but the above scenario sounds almost as statistically unlikely as the meteorite theory.
I've thought that too.
Sounds like the recycling machines Reed Irvine talked about will hide a few things also.
The thing I remember was that the NTSB let the FBI take the lead on the investigation, but for public consumption they used a CIA animation that was distributed to all the media outlets. Too many bureaucratic fingers in the pie to suit me.
This brings me back to: Did Clinton cover up and down play terrorist acts because he was just a dispicably weak individual trying to avoid a political hot potato, one he recently bemoaned he never had, or is there something deeper there. As time goes on I am beginning to see what prosecutors call "a preponderence of evidence" pointing to something more than a cheap politician.
There may be SOOOO much more to the Clinton legacy we haven't even touched on yet.
Maybe sealing those records is to protect the country from mass hysteria.
Clinton may have done more national damage than we are even aware of.
If he could blatantly sell us out to Red China, right in front of the nations face, allow years of terrorist attacks, who knows how many interns could be dead that we havn't heard of, ...etc.
Clinton wanted Marxism, with he and Hillary as the dictators over a slaved society. The both of them felt they could do anything, and I mean anything, they wanted. Look what they did to our society here in America in just 8 years!! When Bill left, Hillary was to take over to finish the job. The right wing ruined their plans, but the plan still lives. It's just been posponed.
It would be great if Ashcroft and Bush were compiling evidence to arrest and convict the Clintons and their cronies, but It's just a hope and a prayer.
There are several things you might use to take care of flying-butt-monkeys. Many calibers are sufficient, but I prefer those that start with a ".4"
Or, there's Preparation .375 H&H, for the bigger FBMs.
A while ago a bunch of freepers got together and investigated/conjectured what may have happened.
Give me a moment and I'll see if I can find the link.
God Save America (Please)
This is a research project that started as an email conversation and was continued to FreeRepublic. Information on possible targets starts at the "The Debate - On Topic" heading (about 1/3 down the page).
The discussion includes a ton of info on almost every angle related to the shoot-down, including forces and armament in the area and shooting angles. It's a deep read but I believe a very good piece of work.
GSA(P)
Someone here (I don't remember who) on Free Republic said the other day that if only one plane had gone in to the WTC on 9/11 we would still be being told that it was an accident. I'm afraid that poster was right.
Carolyn
The rank dishonesty of the FBI and NTSB officials infuriated me. I believe the show stated that well over 200 eyewitnesses on the ground claimed to have seen a streaking object in the sky hit the plane and spark a huge explosion. This was a covered up terrorist attact, plain and simple, and I for one am highly angered by our government's attempts to conceal the truth.
Thanks for your post.
Within the last 24 hours I read/saw somewhere that in addition to our Chinese friends having almost free access to the information at our nuclear labs (Los Alamos and Sandia) so were representatives from terrorists states, some of them employees who are still there.
It is easy to accept that the Clintons would embrace anyone who could and would contribute to them and whom they could "triangulate" into their longterm schemes. Their known plans were for her to also be president after him and they probably intended to swap out Secretary General of the UN after that. To do that they would need support from Muslim countries as well as Communist, and if they were successful, the U.S. would already be subdued. All I know for sure is that if it is something the Clintons want it is something that I definitely don't want.
While all are bad, Boston Logan has the reputation of having the worst security of any major airport.
This was first brought to my attention by talk radio about 3 years ago- Mike Reagan, and others, had Charlie Smith from Softwar!, Bill Gertz, Timmerman, and some other whistleblowers on who detailed the vast breach in our national security that happened, indeed was courted, during the clintons' corrupt & fradulent reign.
If you'll look here, and follow the "links within links within links" you'll find ample evidence- indeed, more than one mere human can easily grasp- of great wrongdoing:
I have no idea of the significance of drone wreckage being found or how it relates to explosives.
I do know that just recently, for the first time we learned that rocket could be fired from drone and that they were used in Afghanistan.
Maybe some variant of the same thing was used or maybe we will never know what it means.
Whatever it was, the Bush Administration is hiding it too.
This isn't the first time nor the last.
That's why "conspiracy theorists" (unbelievers) are still wandering over the bits of information available on Pearl Harbor, The Maine, anything about Indo China, and JFK's demise; you can continue this list as far as bandwidth allows.
The NTSB denies that it kept the demolition secret, but it's clear that it did so. It knew that there were many people interested in the TWA 800 case who would have strenuously objected to the destruction of evidence that they believed would prove the NTSB and FBI had covered up the real cause of the crash – hits by missiles that were seen by hundreds of eyewitnesses.
I spoke with one of those interested parties via e-mail when this article was published on Commander Donaldson's site (Dec. 5th.) This particular party and his wife currently have a civil lawsuit against members of the Clinton/ Reno "justice" Department and the NTSB among whom are Kallstrom, Hall, Birky, and Reno herself. This lawsuit is ongoing, I'm happy to report, after attempts to quash it were denied by judges who are no longer afraid of Bill Clinton.
I'm speaking of Jim and Liz Sanders, and I can confirm that they were not informed of any intention or action to destroy/recycle any portions of the TWA Flight 800 wreckage/evidence. I can assure you that an injunction would have been sought to prevent this if it had not been accomplished in secret.
It again begs the question "What is the NTSB/FBI afraid of?"
Interesting little tidbit came out of conversation with the "particular party" while researching these posts.
It seems that Jim Hall, former NTSB Administrator, whose qualifications for the post were limited to, in the words of a prominent public figure "his drivers license," wasn't to eager to receive service on the above mentioned lawsuit, adroitly evading the process servers every attempt to put the paper in his hand.
Enter Marge Gross, whose brother was killed on Flight 800, and who was present when James Kallstrom (FBI) replied to a reporter at a press conference "Of course it was a missile, but if you quote me, I'll deny it."
With the subpoena in hand, on August 24 of this year, Marge, smiling the smile of the airline hostess she was for many years, approached Hall with a "Hi Jim, so nice to see you again", and voila! Fait acompli much to Halls chagrin.
Of course it's only a coincidence that the destruction/recycling of the TWA Flight 800 wreckage began shortly after Hall received his summons. ;^D
Interesting little tidbit came out of conversation with the "particular party" while researching these posts.
It seems that Jim Hall, former NTSB Administrator, whose qualifications for the post were limited to, in the words of a prominent public figure "his drivers license," wasn't to eager to receive service on the above mentioned lawsuit, adroitly evading the process servers every attempt to put the paper in his hand.
Enter Marge Gross, whose brother was killed on Flight 800, and who was present when James Kallstrom (FBI) replied to a reporter at a press conference "Of course it was a missile, but if you quote me, I'll deny it."
With the subpoena in hand, on August 24 of this year, Marge, smiling the smile of the airline hostess she was for many years, approached Hall with a "Hi Jim, so nice to see you again", and voila! Fait acompli much to Halls chagrin.
Of course it's only a coincidence that the destruction/recycling of the TWA Flight 800 wreckage began shortly after Hall received his summons. ;^D
dumacehai...
Hadn't thought of it like that. Makes sense.
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