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Feds Investigate Kentucky Militia Leader
MSNBC--LOUISVILLE, Ky ^ | December 12, 2001 | Andy Alcock

Posted on 12/14/2001 8:11:16 PM PST by Wasichu

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To: JD86
I wish him luck. I hope they beat the illegal possesion due to the date of his conviction. I sure hope this guy knows he let his mouth overload his butt because if he does not convince the judge or jury he may have a problem.
41 posted on 12/14/2001 9:32:32 PM PST by Cold Heat
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To: Wasichu
Wasichu asks ( re BATF ): "Who's next on their hit list? "

I think I may have a rifle with a bayonet lug on it. It might be me.

If a person has something in their background, just exactly how are they to determine whether their firearms rights have been confiscated?

If Puckett has purchased several weapons with NICS checks and has had his background checked for a Concealed Carry Permit, it seems to me that he has proven that he is not restricted.

An alternative interpretation of the situation is that background checks are totally ineffective at doing what they are supposed to do; that is, deny purchases for restricted individuals. We already know that these checks are useless for actually controlling criminals.

The violations of the Second Amendment by our government are an outrage. I am glad that Puckett has survived this incident and perhaps a favorable legal decision may result.

42 posted on 12/14/2001 10:21:00 PM PST by William Tell
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To: Wasichu;snopercod;joanie-f
"The leader of the Kentucky state militia is the target of a federal investigation"

Governor, call your office.

ATTN: all media and leftist and even rightists!

The "leader of the Kentucky state militia, by their constitution, is the governor of the state of Kentucky.

The anti-gun crowd misses the Constitution and gets lost into extra-Constitutional space with the accuracy by which they also predicted the beginning of the new millenium --- a complete miss!

43 posted on 12/14/2001 10:29:48 PM PST by First_Salute
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To: VietVet
I agree that the ATF is on shakey legal ground to have the Kentucky state Police arrest this man and confiscate his guns and computer, and the labeling of his son as "armed and dangerous", when there does not appear to even be any charges out on him, is outrageous. However, this does not anwaer my question:

Is this guy a member or officer in the Organised Militia of the State of Kentucky, or does he belong to a privately organised paramilitary group? Or both (like me)?
44 posted on 12/14/2001 10:37:39 PM PST by VietVet
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To: First_Salute
Very few people seem to care about old, dead documents anymore. Even around here...
45 posted on 12/15/2001 2:31:18 AM PST by snopercod
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To: Fred Mertz, the irate magistrate
Folks in Kentucky just want to be left alone. What's so difficult to understand about that?

Exactly. Most people complain that "the government just doesn't 'care' about the common man." - Hell, I wish the government didn't even know I existed!

One of my employers knows this guy somewhat personally and from what he said, I have a VERY hard time believing the list of charges that the feds and media are now "piling on" this guy.

46 posted on 12/15/2001 4:26:59 AM PST by pocat
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To: Travis McGee, Squantos
ping
47 posted on 12/15/2001 4:27:49 AM PST by pocat
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To: pocat
rebump.
48 posted on 12/15/2001 6:14:12 AM PST by Travis McGee
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To: pocat ; Fred Mertz
The concept of leaderless resistance was proposed by Col. Ulius Louis Amoss is repeated in a nice little essay by Louis Beam. With BATFags and FiBi's running amouk it deserves a little consideration IMHO.I have no problem arming "men" who have paid their debt to society and have not committed further crimes.

Others can read the coroner comment different than the members of the flat earth society who commentted above that they consider that statement as threatening the BatFags. I read it as he knew that because of his comments they would do an Ohhhh early thirty raid on his dwelling and cap "him". If saber rattling in media is a crime as our favorite idiot savant stated above then were all due for a visit at some point . Thus the reason for the suggested link.........

Stay Safe and Cache Pocat !!

49 posted on 12/15/2001 6:23:10 AM PST by Squantos
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To: VietVet
Hmmm, let's see:

1) He is an American Citizen
2) He owns a firearm
3) He has taken an oath to protect his and others common law rights including those enumerated in the state and country constitutions.

Sounds like a "constitutional militia" to me.
50 posted on 12/15/2001 9:09:25 AM PST by borntodiefree
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To: VietVet;lowbridge;JD86;borntodiefree
The following is Charlie Puckett's official statement, from the Kentucky State Militia website

COMMENTS FROM THE COMMANDER
by Charlie Puckett

To the Patriots of this great country:
Due to the recent chain of events surrounding the taking of my property by the BATF, I have been unable to stay in touch with everyone across America. I should have my computer back online soon. At that time I will send an e-mail to the many great people that I have met since being involved with the Patriot Community. We have at the present time 3 attorneys at work on my case. They are now prepared to file motions and briefs in my behalf.

This problem, which is not really a problem (constitutionally), started many years ago when was 19 years old. The apartment we had rented and the gas it took to get to work was just too much for a 45 cent an hour job. We ran short on food, and the person I was sharing the apartment with suggested we go into a grocery store and steal some food. We proceeded after dark to the store, and I took the glass out of the frame. We entered the store and I removed, with his help, over $100 of food (which was a felony). This all happened in 1966. When we left the store, we did not take the money in the cash register. I replaced the glass as if no one had ever been there. We left and went home, and the other guy (can't remember name - Harvey?) was questioned about his car being at the store. He told them everything, including me. I served time for this (about 16 months).

Since those trying times I have been a good citizen, raised two kids and have been married to the same woman for 33 years. Nothing that the BATF took from my home was illegal. The FBI approved my "carry concealed" permit, even after knowing of this incident. How much does a person have to pay for such a trivial thing?

Although they came and took things from my home, the Patriot lists have not been compromised, and I will continue performing my duties as commander of the Kentucky State Militia.

Commander Charlie Puckett, Kentucky State Militia

51 posted on 12/15/2001 11:29:10 AM PST by Wasichu
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To: lowbridge
PoliceState
52 posted on 12/15/2001 11:42:56 AM PST by expose
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To: JD86
The two comments you included, as follows:

(Agents began investigating Puckett after he made inflammatory statements on two separate radio programs.) In one statement, Puckett said that if any ATF agents were to come to his home, "The Garrard County coroner would have a mess on his hands."

How many people have you heard utter the phrases, "From my cold dead hands" or "I'll give 'em my guns...bullets first!"? Must we all start looking over our shoulder when we make bold statements of this type concerning our second amendment rights?

On another occasion, Puckett reportedly said that the militia would guard the McCreary County Courthouse from any attempts to remove the Ten Commandments, and said that if anyone would try to do so, "It would be lock-and-load time."

How many people on Free Republic have decried the government's removal of the Ten Commandments from the schools....here is a man that speaks very publicly about his feelings on the subject (instead of anonymously on a discussion board!) If the government has people afraid to express their concerns publicly, for fear of these extreme harassment measures, then the 1st Amendment is following the 2nd into the toilet. In that case, when patriots especially are unable to speak their minds, we have lost the battle.

Wasichu

53 posted on 12/15/2001 11:47:37 AM PST by Wasichu
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To: Squantos
Update on Current Events in Kentucky

We here with the Kentucky State Militia appreciate the concern of patriots around the country who have heard of the recent raid on Charlie Puckett and the possibility that there may be more raids on the leadership of the Kentucky State Militia. We would like to ask everyone to remain calm, and to allow us to take this through the judicial process. We feel that we have a very good chance of beating this through the courts, and that Charlie will be able to turn this around and bring multiple lawsuits against the BATF and individual agents of the BATF.

As you all well know, the BATF is interpreting the 1968 Gun Control Act to suit its own purposes. Charlie has bought numerous weapons and even holds a concealed carry permit, which a convicted felon in Kentucky could not do.

We also have several legislators who are upset over what has happened to Charlie and have told us that they will be presenting bills in the next session of the legislature to either clip the wings of the BATF in Kentucky or possibly even kick them out. Some of you may not think this is possible, but the Kentucky legislature gave the BATF permission to operate here and they can rescind that permission. We also want to try to use this case to eliminate the 1968 Gun Control Act.

We know that many of you all have lost faith in the political system, but we really have a good working relationship here with our legislature. The best way that the patriot community can assist Kentucky at this time is to contribute to the Kentucky Defense Fund, which has been set up for Charlie. (If anyone is interested in the address of the defense fund, Freepmail me and I will forward it.)

Again, we ask that everyone concerned remain calm, contribute and let us destroy these "evil" terrorists through the system. To do otherwise would only give credence to everything they have ever said about us. We do not need Kennedy or Feinstein on the floor of the U.S. Senate gloating over what a bunch of terrorists we are and having another law passed declaring us as such. We need to use the system to destroy evil and not become evil in the eyes of the public.

54 posted on 12/15/2001 1:55:55 PM PST by Wasichu
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To: Wasichu
Very good points. Many here like to talk about how tough they are, and what they would do if the feds did this or that...

But when someone actually DOES what he says he will do, some people tend to turn into instant wussies and rant about how "extreme" the person taking action is.

55 posted on 12/15/2001 2:12:02 PM PST by pocat
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To: borntodiefree
No one has yet answered my question, although I think I see the answer in some of the language of the posts. And it does make a diference.

The Militia in the Constitution is "the Militia of the various States." Aside from a provision in Federal Law establishing all males, citizens or residents intending to become citizens, of the United States, between the ages of 18 and 45 (I believe), as members of the Militia, the definition and the legal construction of the Militia is left to the States.

In Maryland, my state, the Militia is defined by law as the Organized Militia, which consists of the National Guard and the State Defense Force, and the Unorganized Militia, which is every abled-bodied male between the ages of 16 and 45, except certain Public Officials (because they can't be called out, or are already on duty, so to speak) and convicted felons (because they are not allowed to bear arms). Also by law, no-one is allowed to form private paramilitary groups without the Governor's permision. I happen to belong to The Maryland State Defence Force, as well as to two officially recognised 'paramilitary' groups, the St. Maries Citty Militia (the Governor's 17th Century Honor Guard), and the Markland Medieval Mercenary Militia (a Medieval History Re-Creation group)

I do not know Kentucky Law, but in my State, this guy's status would be either: 1) a State Militia Officer; 2) an officer in a recognised, legally permitted paramilitary organization; or 3) the leader of an outlawed, private army.

In the case of 1), the conduct of the authorities would be outrageous. Likewise in case 2). In case 3), one would wonder why the State of Kentucky had not moved against him long before this.
56 posted on 12/15/2001 6:31:39 PM PST by VietVet
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To: pocat; fred mertz; squantos; lowbridge; jeff head; doug fiedor; SLB; logos; mercuria
Stay vigilant.

Don't be so fast to believe the leftist newspapers.

This appears to be a witchhunt in the making. Election season is approaching soon; so, the left is posturing for issues.

Let's hope that our wishy washy RINOs will wake up before it's too late.

57 posted on 12/16/2001 10:35:40 AM PST by the irate magistrate
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To: Wasichu
"I've been in the business for 30 years...

It's the little things that really clue you in, isn't it?

58 posted on 12/16/2001 10:50:58 AM PST by Yeti
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To: the irate magistrate
Yo, Magistrate! Or, in this case, "Colonel" Magistrate. . . .

Doesn't the law state that all Kentucky Colonels are supposed to have a few platoons under their command? Wasn't that the original idea?

If so, what's the problem with someone else doing the same thing -- providing, of course, they are also willing to put forth some public service? And, I seem to remember reports of quite a lot of public service on Charlie's part.

Oh, for those who do not know what a Kentucky Colonel is: sorry. I'm just asking my normally inconvenient style questions; in this case, as per how they pertain to very well established State law.

59 posted on 12/18/2001 10:45:36 AM PST by Doug Fiedor
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