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Fox touts immigration to U.S. as an "opportunity"
The News (Mexico City) ^ | December 19, 2001 | Stevenson Jacobs

Posted on 12/18/2001 11:06:05 PM PST by sarcasm

TIJUANA, Baja California - President Vicente Fox on Tuesday declared his six-year term in office "The Sexenio of the Migrant" in celebration of International Migrant Day, although some federal lawmakers and rights groups called into question his sincerity.

During a welcome home tour for some of the 2.5 million Mexicans returning for the holidays, Fox credited migrants for ushering in an era of "transcendental change" and praised them for their hard work, especially the nine billion dollars in remittances they sent home this year.

The record-breaking sum serves as the lifeblood for thousands of Mexican homes and represents the nation's third largest source of foreign income after oil and manufacturing.

"Immigration isn't a problem, it's an opportunity we're obliged to take advantage of," Fox told a conference on migrant health in this gritty border city just across from San Diego.

Fox, the first president to openly refer to migrants as "heroes," said the goal of his administration would be to create better economic and social conditions so fewer Mexicans feel obliged to leave their families in search of better fortunes north of the border.

He listed several migrant advocacy programs created during his first year in office investment programs in communities with high migration rates, free vaccinations and AIDS tests for migrants.

But just as Fox is touting his record on migrants, several lawmakers in attendance Tuesday warned proposed cuts to the Foreign Relations Secretariat's 2002 budget could derail any hopes for progress. Migrant advocacy groups say the cuts threaten to eliminate funds used by Mexican consulates in the United States to provide legal and health assistance to U.S. migrant communities.

"We're worried these cuts will affect migrant communities in the United States," said Mario Riestra, national director of State Offices for the Attention of Migrants, who sent a letter urging legislators not to approve the cuts when they vote on the issue later this month.

Eddie Varon, an Institutional Revolutionary Party (PRI) member of the nation's lower house, called the proposed cuts "intolerable and unworkable," and accused Fox of breaking his campaign promise to protect migrants.

While the Finance Secretariat recommends all federal budget cuts, Fox can over-rule the decision.

"Mexico cannot afford to be without a foreign policy that takes care of its own citizens," said Varon, a member of the Foreign Relations Committee.

Over eight million Mexicans live in the United States, slightly less than half of whom are there illegally.

Fox praised the "shared responsibility" for immigration assumed by both nations and said high-level talks between both sides resumed last month.

"I'm sure we'll reach an agreement soon," said Fox, who began the morning greeting Mexicans crossing the border in Nuevo Laredo as part of the annual Paisano Program.


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1 posted on 12/18/2001 11:06:05 PM PST by sarcasm
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To: Joe Hadenuf; doug from upland; dandelion; SocialMeltdown; Mercuria; Carol-HuTex; cribsheet...
ping
2 posted on 12/18/2001 11:07:05 PM PST by sarcasm
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To: sarcasm
Bull.
3 posted on 12/18/2001 11:11:28 PM PST by RLK
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To: sarcasm
Same old Mexi-BS ....different day. They revel in nit wit speech-a-fying as much as the Muslims do.
4 posted on 12/18/2001 11:14:46 PM PST by dennisw
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To: dennisw
Yeah, but as long as the White House lets Vicente Fox set American immgration policy it's vital BS.

We can see if Dubya comments about this on Saturday, if we can find someone to translate Bush's speech from Spanish to English.

5 posted on 12/18/2001 11:33:14 PM PST by Pelham
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To: sarcasm
It's an opportunity alright...for Fox!
6 posted on 12/18/2001 11:46:13 PM PST by brat
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To: HangFire; AnnaZ; abigail2; NewDestiny; rebuildus; Cortez; brat; MissAmericanPie; miss print...
"Immigration isn't a problem, it's an opportunity we're obliged to take advantage of," Fox told a conference on migrant health in this gritty border city just across from San Diego.

Gotta hand it to the bastard...he told the truth in HALF of this sentence...

7 posted on 12/19/2001 12:12:41 AM PST by Mercuria
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To: Mercuria
You are a cruel and mean-spirited person - the citizens of the United States are wealthy and are, therefore, obliged to pay higher taxes to support the poor of Mexico.
8 posted on 12/19/2001 12:23:54 AM PST by sarcasm
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To: sarcasm
Huh. Having been married to a 3rd generation Mexican girl in Texas for 10 years (since divorced), I can tell you that the only thing that is screwing us on he illegal immigration front is welfare. When her grandaddy brought the family up, there wasn't any. Everybody from the youngest to the oldest worked at picking potatoes. They ate potatoes and tortillas and beans most of the time. Eventually they had enough money to buy a modest house, and a truck to haul crops.

Now, however, my exhag's sisters and their broods are nothing but a drain on society, nursing on the teats of the DemonRats' sow. They love the fact that they are "Mexican", while their grandfaher was proud to be "American".

(Rambling here...sorry) I guess my point would be that I have nothing against a person who wants to work hard and not squander their cash on frivolities, but I absolutely abhor the manner in which the libs have turned illegal immigration into their pet cause. They (libs) couldn't get much more blatant about buying votes.

One more thing...don't know when the law was enacted about a child born on US soil is an American citizen, but that's analogous to me and my (fictional) wife breaking into a bank, giving birth (my fictional wife, that is) and claiming the baby has a right to a job at the bank. If illegal aliens have a baby, then the child is the child of illegal aliens (duh). Being a criminal and committing a criminal act produces a citizen, entitled to welfare, medicare, and who knows what else. Enough to make you ill.

Vicente Fox needs those folks swimming the Rio Grande to keep his tenuous economy afloat.

10 posted on 12/19/2001 12:43:02 AM PST by cincinnati_Steve
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To: sarcasm;Mercuria
Fox credited migrants for ushering in an era of "transcendental change" and praised them for their hard work, especially the nine billion dollars in remittances they sent home this year.

Bottom line. End of story!!

11 posted on 12/19/2001 1:38:52 AM PST by Brownie74
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To: Brownie74
LOL, sort of... That's the exact sentence I'd highlighted to comment on.
12 posted on 12/19/2001 1:57:02 AM PST by Semaphore Heathcliffe
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To: cincinnati_Steve
Now, however, my exhag's sisters and their broods are nothing but a drain on society, nursing on the teats of the DemonRats' sow. They love the fact that they are "Mexican", while their grandfather was proud to be "American".

This is the point that the pro-illegals just don't get. Yeah, we all "came from somewhere else," but we came to be Americans. And there was no public trough for recent immigrants. It's a whole different ball game now, but don't think too loud about it or someone will call you a racist.

13 posted on 12/19/2001 2:00:23 AM PST by Semaphore Heathcliffe
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To: sarcasm
thanks, sarcasm
14 posted on 12/19/2001 2:01:16 AM PST by Semaphore Heathcliffe
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To: Mercuria
"especially the nine billion dollars in remittances
they sent home this year.
The record-breaking sum serves as the lifeblood for
thousands of Mexican homes and represents the nation's
third largest source of foreign income after oil and
manufacturing."

Bleeding the Gringos is beeeeg business.

16 posted on 12/19/2001 4:07:49 AM PST by humblegunner
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To: cincinnati_Steve
...don't know when the law was enacted about a child born on US soil is an American citizen...

Unfortunately it's in the Fourteenth Amendment:

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside.

17 posted on 12/19/2001 4:27:30 AM PST by Dakmar
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To: sarcasm
If they're our responsibility, why can't we start taxing some of those wealthy Mexicans? They are living it up, taking family trips to Spain and the Bahamas, you'll find them on the luxury cruises because they aren't paying the taxes that the average American must to provide for their countrymen.

Mexico is actually a very wealthy country, it isn't like Japan with few natural resources, it has oil, land, and perfect weather. Mexicans like preserving their two-class system and that's why they want to dump their excess lower classes on the US, if they couldn't do that there'd be social unrest and some changes would have to be made and the 10% living high on the hog would be forced to give some of it up. They prefer the hard-working middle class Americans do that.

18 posted on 12/19/2001 5:28:09 AM PST by FITZ
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To: FITZ
I think you nailed it, there, FITZ.
19 posted on 12/19/2001 5:29:54 AM PST by Dakmar
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To: sarcasm
Gotta build us a mountain.......er, I mean a fence.....a long high razor wire fence.
20 posted on 12/19/2001 5:39:21 AM PST by OldFriend
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To: sarcasm
Fox can lie and preen his oily carcass all he wants. But there are millions of us in the US who know exactly what he is after. He is after control of the US through the voting rights his people will gain here, and he is after our nation's treasury -- which his migrants will vote straight to him. He will go on, through their vote, to become our first coPresident. Almost makes Hillary look good...but not quite.
21 posted on 12/19/2001 5:46:12 AM PST by swampfox98
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To: cincinnati_Steve
One more thing...don't know when the law was enacted about a child born on US soil is an American citizen, but that's analogous to me and my (fictional) wife breaking into a bank, giving birth (my fictional wife, that is) and claiming the baby has a right to a job at the bank.

It's in the US Constitution, 14th Amendment. If you are *born* on US soil, you are a citizen, even if your parents were/are not. This was specifically added to the Constitution immediately after the Civil War, so that defeated Southern states (and others, presumably) who might wish to deny citizenship to freed blacks could not do so.

Obviously we're way past those days. Amending the US Constitution so that only those born of citizen parents (or at least a citizen mother; father if paternity could be proven) could be considered citizens would cut out a LOT of the pressure for illegal immigrants to come here. If they knew that they couldn't have their babies here and thus have citizen children, they might be less eager to illegally enter the US.

23 posted on 12/19/2001 9:24:30 AM PST by ikanakattara
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To: Semaphore Heathcliffe
Great minds think alike!! LOL!!
24 posted on 12/19/2001 9:56:35 AM PST by Brownie74
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To: sarcasm
There is only one solution to illegal immigration.

Implement asset forfeiture laws. It is illegal for them to be here. It is illegal to hire them. It is illegal to transport them. It is illegal to harbor them.

Seize all the assets and property of the illegal aliens, the businesses that hire them, the vehicles that transport them, and the homes of those who harbor them. Sell the property at government auction, split the proceeds among the federal, state, and local government. Then deport the criminal aliens.

If the bureaucrats realize that, they can make MILLIONS/BILLIONS of dollars, by enforcing the laws. Illegal immigration will end. If these “asset forfeiture” laws are good enough for Americans, they are good enough for criminal aliens.

Those delusional few who have stated that “these poor migrants just want to work”, need to go to any welfare office or county hospital for a reality check.

These “migrants”, criminals, are stealing from our children, parents, and from U.S.

26 posted on 12/19/2001 1:26:27 PM PST by Frank Vera
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To: Semaphore Heathcliffe
"This is the point that the pro-illegals just don't get. Yeah, we all "came from somewhere else," but we came to be Americans. And there was no public trough for recent immigrants. It's a whole different ball game now, but don't think too loud about it or someone will call you a racist."

Yup, the thing of it is, though, is feeding at the welfare trough is a learned skill. Don't know statistics, but I'd be willing to bet hard cash that Asians "use" welfare at a far lower rate than Latinos and blacks and whites. I'm sure there are cultural reasons for that...I know they help each other by pooling and loaning money. However, my ex's sister knew more about welfare benefits than the 'case worker' she had to talk to.

I've known black folk who knew the same stuff. I remember when there was talk of limiting welfare benefits to two years...I heard my sis-in-law say that the Republicans are "trying to kill us." Umm. Yeah. Sure

27 posted on 12/19/2001 1:43:09 PM PST by cincinnati_Steve
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To: cincinnati_Steve
(Rambling here...sorry) I guess my point would be that I have nothing against a person who wants to work hard

RAMBLE on; you have very eloquently laid bare the simple truth of the whole situation.

I hope others will open their eyes and see.

28 posted on 12/19/2001 1:44:22 PM PST by THEUPMAN
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To: Frank Vera
If the bureaucrats realize that, they can make MILLIONS/BILLIONS of dollars, by enforcing the laws. Illegal immigration will end. If these “asset forfeiture” laws are good enough for Americans, they are good enough for criminal aliens.

excelent idea , but where do you start ?

29 posted on 12/19/2001 1:49:22 PM PST by THEUPMAN
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To: sarcasm
Oh, there's no place like mi casa por las Holidays

With my pockets lined with good old U.S. cash

Si, no matter how I roam

There is nada place like home

Till I swim al norte por another stash.

Leni

30 posted on 12/19/2001 1:49:26 PM PST by MinuteGal
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To: MinuteGal
Immigration & The American Future.

Our borders exist for our benefit, not those on the other side.

31 posted on 12/19/2001 1:55:34 PM PST by Ohioan
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To: Frank Vera
There is only one solution to illegal immigration. Implement asset forfeiture laws. It is illegal for them to be here. It is illegal to hire them. It is illegal to transport them. It is illegal to harbor them.

You are 110% correct!

There are plenty of laws already on the books that - if enforced - would make businesses VERY unwilling to hire an illegal. But Big Business has the Demopublicans and Republicrats in its back pocket, so nothing is being done. Business sez, "Oh, if we are prosecuted for accidentally hiring an illegal we will just have to discriminate against everyone who looks/sounds/smells the least bit foreign and that wouldn't be right..."

IMHO the whole illegal immigrant thing could be turned around with an Elliott Ness type in charge of the INS and not afraid to offend the US Chamber of Commerce.

32 posted on 12/19/2001 4:27:19 PM PST by Arleigh
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To: sarcasm
Thats right, and we have plenty of room here. Look at Texas. There are millions of square miles of flat prarie land where they can put up thousands of yellow and pink apartment building and cram in 10 or 20 people per unit.

Look at all the desert land outside Las Vegas. The can build 40 or 60 story housing units, clear across the desert to Arizona and Utah. We have plenty of energy for millions more folks. Oh and if the schools are to freaking crowded, the kids can just stand outside and look through the windows. If it gets to bad, we will just jack up your taxes and build more schools, apartments and low income cities.

33 posted on 12/19/2001 4:40:20 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf
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To: THEUPMAN
I thought of something else...you constantly read/hear about our government deporting illegals. Saw somewhere some time ago that the same people get caught time and time again. Now, it seems if we built a Mexican style jail (big cesspool with no amenities), threw these criminals in the hole for a while (probably wouldn't take more than 1 or 3 months), it might give 'em some pause.
34 posted on 12/20/2001 9:18:04 AM PST by cincinnati_Steve
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To: humblegunner
It is also 1% of US GNP that we are losing the benefit of having spent in our own nation.
35 posted on 12/20/2001 9:29:44 AM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: MissAmericanPie
Very true, and further evidence of Mexico's
inability to be self-supporting.

Just the kind of "partners in a special relationship"
we need. /sarcasm>

36 posted on 12/20/2001 11:19:26 AM PST by humblegunner
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To: humblegunner
Oh, it's no different than our other host/parasite relationships, just look at the United Nations, hehe.
37 posted on 12/20/2001 11:24:23 AM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: cincinnati_Steve
Vicente Fox needs those folks swimming the Rio Grande to keep his tenuous economy afloat.

Fox can't stop. He's a junkie, hooked on US dollars sent home by his expats.

38 posted on 12/20/2001 11:39:02 AM PST by skeeter
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Fox proves he's a hypocrit here. He hasn't opened the borders going into Mexico. Americans are expected to obey Mexico's immigration laws. So are the Guatemalans and others.
40 posted on 12/20/2001 1:18:10 PM PST by FITZ
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To: cincinnati_Steve
Yup, the thing of it is, though, is feeding at the welfare trough is a learned skill.

Very quickly learned.

42 posted on 12/20/2001 1:20:08 PM PST by FITZ
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To: sarcasm
"Immigration isn't a problem, it's an opportunity we're obliged to take advantage of,"

Weren't the troops in the old days rewarded with the opportunity to plunder and rape and kill after taking a city after the siege?

I am wondering what word the defenders used?

43 posted on 12/20/2001 1:59:51 PM PST by madrussian
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Mexico's Fox expects migrant deal with U.S. Reuters, December 19, 2001
http://www.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/americas/12/19/mexico.us.fox.reut/index.html

MEXICO CITY, Mexico (Reuters) -- Mexican President Vicente Fox said Wednesday he expects to reach a deal with the United States in the first half of 2002 to bring legal status to some 3.5 million undocumented Mexicans living in the U.S.

Fox said he was optimistic for a final deal to recognize and improve the treatment of illegal Mexicans because of the support of U.S. President Bush, as well as the positive stance of leading Democratic lawmakers.

"This panorama leads us to think that we may be able to have the situation resolved in the first half of next year," Fox told a local radio station. "This would be truly historic, a great step forward on the road to greater integration with the United States and Canada."

Mexico and the United States have strong economic ties through the North American Free Trade Agreement, which also includes Canada, but the two neighbors have often squared off over the massive flow of migrants heading northward from Mexico.

Fox and Bush have moved to smooth over the migration issue in several face-to-face meetings over the past year. Bush took office in January, a month after Fox who stripped the Institutional Revolutionary Party (PRI) of its 71-year hold on the presidency.

But Fox's push for improved status and treatment of Mexicans was shoved far down on the U.S. agenda in the wake of the September 11 attacks in the United States and the ensuing war in Afghanistan.

Talks were renewed in November with the visit of U.S. Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle and House Minority Leader Richard Gephardt -- both Democrats -- to Fox's ranch in central Mexico.

Fox did not give details on what such a migration pact would include, but previous talks have centered on a guest-worker program and legal status for long-time immigrants who have not run afoul of U.S. law.

Fox added that he also planned to redouble lobbying efforts to speed up border crossings, which now average 80 minutes because of a security crackdown after September 11. Prior to the attacks, crossings took an average of 40 minutes, Fox said.

"We have not yet returned to the standard we had before September 11, there are still long lines and this is reducing tourism and commerce and affecting economic development on both sides of the border," he said.

44 posted on 12/20/2001 2:15:30 PM PST by sarcasm
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To: cincinnati_Steve
the same people get caught time and time again. ....

(big cesspool with no amenities), threw these criminals in the hole ...

you mean the judges-criminales that turn these people out over and over ... good idea .!

45 posted on 12/20/2001 3:27:09 PM PST by THEUPMAN
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To: trank
gee "tank " I think you need to read the thread a little closer

They don't have a RIGHT to invade

your absolutly correct ... and if you will note I and cincinnati_Steve are among the ones trying to get this message across

go back and follow the thread , I think you will see that you and are are on the same track ... close the boarders , yesterday could not be soon enough

46 posted on 12/20/2001 3:34:31 PM PST by THEUPMAN
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To: THEUPMAN
You know, when I was married to a Mexican, I was associated with a lot of Mexicans (obviously). Quite a few of the ones that had been here several generations looked upon 'wetbacks' (they called 'em that, too) with derision and disdain. Of course, these were the Mexicans who actually considered themselves Americans, and understood the implications of unchecked illegal immigration. My wife, her family, and others thought that they were all a part of one large Mexican Fraternity, charged with taking up the cause for bringing every last Mexican here to share the opportunities. Try as I might, I could never convince them that that does nothing but reduce opportunities for those already here.

Unless they talking about bringing all of them here to damn near work for free doing all of the things I'm not willing to do for myself...that'd be fine. They could start by mowing my yard and tending my garden for $5 a day.

47 posted on 12/20/2001 3:35:32 PM PST by cincinnati_Steve
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