CLINTON-WAS-AN-UTTER FAILURE CONTAINMENT TEAM SCHEME Fails in its 1st Effort

O'REILLY FACTOR, The New York Times | 12-22-01 | Mia T

[Mia T]

2-21-01

 

CLINTON-WAS-AN-UTTER-FAILURE Containment Team Scheme Fails in its 1^st Effort

 

Bill O'Reilly Laughs Lanny Davis Off Stage

 

Calls "It's the economy, stupid" an Utter Absurdity Post-9/11

by Mia T

NEW YORK, Dec 21--Diehard clinton lackey, Lanny Davis tested the CLINTON-WAS-AN-UTTER-FAILURE Containment Team Scheme in what the clintons likely regard their most difficult venue, "The O'Reilly Factor," The top-rated Fox News show demonstrated once again that its motto, "the no spin zone," is no spin.

The eponymous host swiftly stopped the spin (and the spin). O'Reilly debunked all the shameless clinton-directed revisionism spewed by Davis, exposing the absurdity of the CLINTON-WAS-AN-UTTER-FAILURE Containment Team Scheme even as he underscored clinton's immutable legacy of depravity and failure.

 

December 21, 2001 Clinton and Aides Lay Plans to Repair a Battered Image By RICHARD L. BERKE ASHINGTON, Dec. 20 -- Even after Bill Clinton was elected president, his campaigning never seemed to stop. In the White House, he was always keenly attentive to polls and political calculations and presided over what became known as a "permanent campaign." Now, Mr. Clinton is trying to extend the permanent campaign even beyond his presidency. Frustrated that his image has been battered since he left office, Mr. Clinton summoned several of his aides and advisers on Wednesday to devise ways to remind the public of his accomplishments and defend his legacy against criticism on matters including his role in the current recession and his failure to strike a fatal blow against Osama bin Laden or his terrorist network after the embassy bombings in East Africa in 1998. Several participants at the meeting in Mr. Clinton's Harlem office said in interviews that they had agreed to compile a list of the Clinton administration's achievements that his supporters could have handy when defending the president. They hope to build a staff that will coordinate efforts to enlist former cabinet secretaries and other Clinton surrogates to appear on television talk shows and deliver speeches. And they are making plans to raise Mr. Clinton's profile on the lecture circuit, particularly before college audiences, which are most receptive. Participants in the session said Mr. Clinton was concerned that Democratic leaders had not sufficiently spoken up for his administration, especially his centrist policies on health care, welfare, crime and education. As part of the campaign to refurbish his image, Mr. Clinton wants to play a central role in setting an issue agenda for the Democrats and for the party's aspiring Congressional and presidential candidates, his advisers said. No modern president has ever mounted such an aggressive and organized drive to affect the agenda after leaving the White House. "It's important that the president's legacy not be squandered because his own people remain silent and scattered," said Bill Richardson, Mr. Clinton's energy secretary, who like many others took part through a telephone hookup. "It's important that the Democratic Party not turn away from Clinton's centrist legacy that brought us economic prosperity." Several participants said they did not want to discuss the meeting out of respect for Mr. Clinton's privacy. Others also acknowledged that they were worried that Mr. Clinton could be portrayed as preoccupied with his reputation and not conducting himself appropriately for a former president. "I feel very uncomfortable talking about these meetings," said Sandy Berger, Mr. Clinton's former national security adviser. "As far as I'm concerned, it was a private meeting, so I'm not going to say anything," said Al From, the executive director of the Democratic Leadership Council. Others, insisting they had nothing to hide, were not so reluctant. Rodney Slater, Mr. Clinton's transportation secretary, said an impetus for the meeting was to make sure that the former president's policies were still in the public discourse. "As much as anything, it was to recognize that we were part of something special," Mr. Slater said, "that there were still opportunities out there for us to express opinions about things and professional judgments." Douglas Sosnik, who was Mr. Clinton's political director and later one of his most senior aides, put it this way: "Under President Clinton's leadership, we accomplished a remarkable amount in the last eight years, and his friends feel we should be doing a better job of getting that out proactively. Since he left office, we've spent too much time on the defensive, reacting to stories." Gene Sperling, who was Mr. Clinton's top economic aide, said, "Most of the conversation was really about what kind of things he should be doing with his time, what his long- term service contributions should be." Julia Payne, Mr. Clinton's spokeswoman, said she would have no comment about "a private meeting." While Mr. Clinton had held meetings with advisers before, participants described this one as having a special urgency. Mr. Clinton dominated the session, which lasted nearly two hours, participants said. They said he was careful not to criticize President Bush. And they said that while he expressed concern that he was being blamed for not catching Osama bin Laden, most of the discussion was about how to raise his profile and press his case on domestic matters. Even during his presidency, Mr. Clinton was deeply interested in how he would be perceived by history. Now, the efforts to deploy surrogates to speak out for him are reminiscent of his vaunted war rooms in the White House, which were established for him to seize the political offensive on matters that included Whitewater and health care. "He basically said our legacy is being pummeled and we have to find ways to revive it," said one participant, who described it as if it were a meeting of the top lieutenants of a political campaign. "We concluded that the Clinton hard core were not on message, and we had to develop a center of gravity. We have to remind people of what we did on the economy, what we did with the crime bill, what we did with terrorism." He added, "They're trying to pin the bin Laden thing on us." Participants said that while some nice things were said about the Democratic leaders in Congress, Senator Tom Daschle and Representative Richard A. Gephardt, there was a view that they would only do so much to press the Clinton agenda. "The view was that House and Senate Democrats were too preoccupied with their own re-elections and their own deals," one participant said. Other participants included Maggie Williams, Mr. Clinton's current chief of staff; John D. Podesta, Mr. Clinton's former chief of staff; Bruce Lindsey, Mr. Clinton confidant; Eli J. Segal, the former head of Mr. Clinton's national service organization; Steve Richetti, who was a deputy chief of staff; Maria Echavesta, a former deputy chief of staff; and Cheryl Mills, a deputy White House counsel. Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York did not take part, nor did former Vice President Al Gore or any of his advisers. Mr. Clinton's advisers said part of the discussion was over how active the former president should be in stumping for Democratic candidates next year. They said they had not reached a determination. "He does not want to appear to be upstaging Bush," said one participant. "But the alternative to that is to continue to see his legacy vanish. Clinton said he was getting more of a positive response about his legacy with younger people." Mr. Richardson, for one, said it was appropriate for Mr. Clinton to have a more public role. "I'm pleased that the president will be more active in ensuring his legacy," he said. Copyright 2001 The New York Times Company | Privacy Information

 

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The Placebo President (aided and abetted by the media myrmidons of the left) strikes again...

by Mia T

 

What is most interesting about clinton's revisionist leaks is that the impeached ex-president has decided that incompetency is a preferable legacy to idiocy or a sui generis narcissistic sedition.

The Covert Hunt for bin Laden
Broad Effort Launched After '98 Attacks

By Barton Gellman
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, December 19, 2001; Page A01

 

First of two articles

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TO BE CONTINUED...

compulsive clinton CYA-ing CONTINUES

(so does 4th-estate malfeasance)

Q ERTY6 REALITY CHECK!

 

 

 

hillary's head revisited:

hillary clinton's brain (such as it is) II

 by Mia T

The smartest woman in the world would relish "the raucous give and take of American democracy, " as Charles Kuralt once put it.

hillary clinton, by contrast, subsists on cozy clintonoid interviews of the Colmes kind...

In her new book, Political Fictions, Joan Didion indicts the fakery of access journalism practiced by vacant politicos like the clintons, whom she sees as "purveyors of fables of their own making, or worse, fables conceived by political strategists with designs on votes, not news."

(More Didion: "No one who ever passed through an American public high school could have watched William Jefferson Clinton running for office in 1992 and failed to recognize the familiar predatory sexuality of the provincial adolescent.")

 

 

Just look around this chamber. We have members from virtually every racial, ethnic, and religious background. And America is stronger for it. But as we have seen, these differences all too often spark hatred and division, even here at home. . . This is not the American way. We must draw the line. Without delay, we must pass the Hate Crimes Prevention Act and the Employment Non-Discrimination Act. And we should reauthorize the Violence Against Women Act.

bill clinton, State of Union Speech, January 27, 2000

"I'm sorry, but the president is one of the crudest men I have ever encountered in government service," says one female agent. "He has no respect for women."

Among the comments clinton made in presence of Secret Service agents:

. Frequent speculation on the oral sex skills of women

the president saw or met in receiving lines;

. References to the size of a woman's breasts, legs or figure;

. Sexual jokes.

After the Monica Lewinsky story broke, however, clinton toned down his rhetoric and behavior in front of his Secret Service agents, but those who guarded the president say enough of them saw and heard things which could be damaging to clinton.

"It depends on who Ken Starr calls," says one ex-agent. "The people who are on the job today are not necessarily the ones who know the most."

Turnover In clinton's Secret Service Detail 'Highest That Anyone Can Remember'

In the months that follow, reporters drop the issue. Feminists say little or nothing. Rape crisis center workers acknowledge that Broaddrick's case, including her reluctance to come forward, is typical of victims of sexual assault. But they decline to speak against clinton. Some cite the federal funding they receive as a result of the Violence Against Women Act, which was signed into law by clinton.

Why does the press continue to ignore the Juanita Broaddrick story?

 

 

The Placebo President:

How a Rapist can be a Policy Feminist

 

placebo effect n.

A beneficial effect in a patient following a particular treatment

that arises from the patient's expectations concerning

the treatment rather than from the treatment itself.

 

Every woman adores a Fascist,

The boot in the face, the brute

Brute heart of a brute like you.

----Sylvia Plath

 

The placebo effect immediately came to mind

as I listened to Shelby Steele,

a research fellow at the Hoover Institution,

debunk the following pernicious spin intended to save clinton.

To wit:

A proven felon and utter reprobate can remain president;

clinton can be a failed human being but a good president.

 

The error in these statements arises, says Steele,

from the belief that

virtuousness is separate from personal responsibility

so that one's virtuousness as an individual is determined by

one's political positions on issues rather than on

whether or not in one's personal life there is a

consistency and a responsibility.

 

Steele's contention is that this compartmentalization,

rather than being the amazing advantage

the clintons would have us believe,

in fact, spills toxicity into, corrupts, the culture.

 

If mere identification with good policies is what makes one virtuous

then those policies become, what Steele calls, iconographic,

that is to say they just represent virtuousness.

They don't necessarily do virtuous things.

 

If clinton's semantic parsing strips meaning from our words,

clinton's iconographic policies strip meaning from our society,

systematically deconstructing our society as a democracy. . .

 

I would take Shelby Steele's thesis one step further.

I maintain that iconographic policy functions like a placebo,

producing a real, physiological and social effects.

 

The placebo effect is, after all, the brain's triumph over reality.

Expectation alone can produce powerful physiological results.

The placebo effect was, at one time, an evolutionary advantage:

act now, think later

 

bill clinton is the paradigmatic Placebo President.

Placebo is Latin for "I shall please."

And please he does

doling out sham treatments, iconographs, with abandon.

To please, to placate, to numb, to deflect.

Ultimately to showcase his imagined virtue.

Or to confute his genuine vice.

 

clinton will dispense sugar pills (or bombs)

at the drop of a high-heeled shoe...

or at the hint of high treason...

 

clinton's charlatanry mimics that of primitive medicine.

Through the 1940s, doctors had little effective medicine to offer

so they deliberately attempted to induce the placebo response.

 

The efficaciousness of today's medicines

does not diminish the power of the placebo.

A recent review of placebo-controlled studies

found that placebos and genuine treatments

are often equally effective.

If you expect to get better, you will.

 

Which brings me back to the original question:

Can clinton be a failed human being but a good president?

 

Clearly he cannot.

These two propositions are mutually exclusive.

clinton's fundamental failure is a complete lack of integrity.

He has violated his covenant with the American people.

 

Because clinton has destroyed his moral authority as a leader,

he can no longer function even as a quack;

the placebo effect is gone.

And so the Placebo President must now go, too.

 

 

Clinton's failure to grasp the opportunity to unravel increasingly organized extremists, coupled with Berger's assessments of their potential to directly threaten the U.S., represents one of the most serious foreign policy failures in American history

Clinton Let Bin Laden Slip Away and Metastasize

 

 

Bill Clinton may not be the worst president America has had, but surely he is the worst person to be president.

---GEORGE WILL, Sleaze, the sequel

 

Had George Will written Sleaze, the sequel (the "sequel" is, of course, hillary) after 9-11-01, I suspect that he would have had to forgo the above conceit, as the doubt expressed in the setup phrase was, from that day forward, no longer operational.

Indeed, assessing the clinton presidency an abject failure is not inconsistent with commentary coming from the left, most recently the LA Times: "Clinton Let Bin Laden Slip Away and Metastasize."

When the clintons left office, I predicted that the country would eventually learn--sadly, the hard way--that this depraved, self-absorbed and inept pair had placed America (and the world) in mortal danger. But I was thinking years, not months.

It is very significant that hillary clinton didn't deny clinton culpability for the terrorism. (Meet the Press, 12-09-01), notwithstanding tired tactics (if you can't pass the buck, spread the blame) and chronic self-exclusion. ("I knew nuttin'.")

If leftist pandering keeps the disenfranchized down in perpetuity, clinton pandering,("it's the economy, stupid"), kept the middle and upper classes wilfully ignorant for eight years.

And ironically, both results (leftist social policy and the clinton economy) are equally illusory, fraudulent. It is becoming increasingly clear that clinton assiduously avoided essential actions that would have negatively impacted the economy--the ultimate source of his continued power--actions like, say, going after the terrorists.

It is critically important that hillary clinton fail in her grasp for power; read Peggy Noonan's little book, 'The Case Against Hillary Clinton' and Barbara Olson's two books; it is critical that the West de-clintonize, but that will be automatic once it is understood that the clintons risked civilization itself in order to gain and retain power.

It shouldn't take books, however, to see that a leader is a dangerous, self-absorbed sicko. People should be able to figure that out for themselves. The electorate must be taught to think, to reason. It must be able to spot spin, especially in this age of the electronic demagogue.

I am not hopeful. As Bertrand Russell noted, "Most people would sooner die than think; in fact, they do so. "

Mia T, hillary clinton blames hubby for terrorism

(SHE knew nuttin')

Meet the Press, 12-09-01

 

 

A Fish Rots from the Head

Investor's Business Daily

 

 

Ijaz, an admitted Clinton supporter who helped negotiate these opportunities to nab bin Laden, said, "The silence of the Clinton administration in responding to these offers was deafening."

 

Ijaz says that three months before bin Laden's men blew up the USS Cole in Yemen, he "brought the White House another plausible offer to deal with bin Laden, by then known to be involved in the embassy bombings(in Tanzania and Kenya)... But senior Clinton officials sabotaged the offer."

 

Clinton's apparent boredom with vital information extended beyond Sudanese intelligence officers to his own intelligence officers. His first CIA director, James Woolsey, couldn't get a meeting with Clinton in the two years he served. Woolsey left the Clinton administration disgusted with

its slovenly approach to national security. ...

 

To hear Clinton now say "We must do more to reduce the pool of potential

terrorists" is thus beyond farce. He had numerous opportunities to reduce

that pool, and he blew it.

 

The pool, in fact, grew larger on Clinton's watch, as he spent his final days giving pardons to drug dealers, Puerto Rican terrorists and Marc Rich, a fugitive who topped America's most-wanted list.

 

In this light, Clinton's order to the CIA that it not use "unsavory characters" to collect information pushes irony to its outer limits.

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12-20-01

YOO-HOO Washington Post / Barton Gellman

 

Delta Force pilot:

Bin Laden was "in our crosshairs" 3 times during Clinton years, but couldn't get kill order from higher up.

From the article...

Three times after Aug. 20, 1998, when Clinton ordered the only missile strike of his presidency against bin Laden's organization, the CIA came close enough to pinpointing bin Laden that Clinton authorized final preparations to launch. In each case, doubts about the intelligence aborted the mission...

More than once, advisers recall, Clinton sounded out Gen. Henry H. Shelton, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, about the prospect of using Special Forces to surprise bin Laden's fighters on the ground. But Clinton declined to authorize the large-scale operation that Shelton said would be required, and he chose not to order a less ambitious option to which the general would have objected.

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Amid all of the spin there are germs of truth...

I've been sitting on some info under the "loose lips" principle, but this article makes that no longer necessary. An Academy buddy of my cousin, himself a former Air Force pilot, is a Delta Force pilot. According to him, we had bin Laden "in our crosshairs" three times during the Clinton years, but couldn't get the kill order from higher up. His conclusion from the field was the reason for this failure was nothing more than a lack of the political will to get the job done.

Which leads, yet again, to the obvious question:

Would the attacks of 9/11 have happened, had President Clinton been up to the job with which he was entrusted?

7 posted on 12/18/01 10:12 PM Pacific by Sabertooth

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I can't imagine that they would have happened if Clinton had done the job. 9/11 was the culmination of a series of increasingly brazen attacks on our interests, going all the way back to the original WTC bombing. As each attack happened, we were being watched by our enemies. They listened to what we said, but they really paid attention to what we did. And they eventually drew the conclusion that we were too weak and too soft to hit them back.

It's painfully clear now that we didn't do nearly enough. Clinton didn't have the intestinal fortitude to do what Bush is doing now. Why? There are probably a lot of reasons: his 60's mentality and its accompanying disdain for the military; his addiction to polls; his preoccupation with crushing his enemies; his pursuit of personal pleasure; or his lack of interest in foreign policy. But I think the biggest reason of all is this: Bill Clinton, at his most basic level, is a weak, soft man, afraid to put his precious self at risk, more given to talk than to action. He was weak and soft at a time when he needed to be strong and resolute, and 9/11 was the result. He deserves nothing but contempt.

Gee, I guess character does matter, after all.

53 posted on 12/19/01 10:23 PM Pacific by Rainbow Rising

Q ERTY3 BUMP! 

 

Delta Force pilot: [W]e had bin Laden "in our crosshairs" three times during the Clinton years, but couldn't get the kill order from higher up.--Sabertooth

 

Bill Clinton, at his most basic level, is a weak, soft man, afraid to put his precious self at risk--Rainbow Rising

COWARD

by Mia T

clinton is the quintessential coward. He is especially cowardly about acts physical, notwithstanding (or, more accurately, underscored by) an apparent facility in committing rapes, predations and willful, premeditated, opportunistic killings (e.g., the Sudan bombing, the Ricky Ray Rector execution). . .

clinton cowardice knows no geographic bounds. We saw clinton cowardice in the Balkans...

 

We saw clinton cowardice in Africa...

 

It was caught on videotape there. Remember? Remember the fear, the abject hatred on clinton's Mr.-Hyde-transmogrified face? (His real face!) Remember the angry screams directed to the (in fact pro-clinton) black crowd as they came too close to his podium?

I suspect clinton cowardice accounted for the cancellation of his trip to Greece, its streets teeming with anti-clinton demonstrators. (The Greeks, you may recall, were trying clinton in effigy for his wag-the-dog, desperately-seeking-a-legacy mass murders in the Balkans.)

The world has clinton figured out: He is small, a greasy character, a degenerate, a predatory adolescent, a backwoods buffoon, a delusional if opportunistic narcissist. (Let us not forget that he was Nobel-Peace-Prize lobbying (read "hiring $100G-a-pop PR even as he imperiled Israel and empowered the terrorists").

While it is debatable whether clinton is most defined by his depravity, his narcissism or his cowardice, that he is in fact a coward is not open to question. If he won't go to Greece, with all the protections of the presidency, where will he go when we are finally rid of him? (Will we ever be finally rid of him?)

(That the backwoods, backroom duo thought they could spin the world as they did Arkansas is a measure of their stupidity. They are too arrogant and dim-witted to understand that the demagogic process in this fiber-optic age isn't about counting spun heads; it's about not discounting circumambient brains.)

Poetic justice in the end: clinton--both clintons, in fact--will be prisoners, both Cartesian and Freudian, of their own depravity, imprisioned in the hermetic confines of an evil, narcissistic life. Their world will finally and fittingly become as small as they, themselves, are.

Also:

The Left is redolent with the peculiar stench of sinking-ship-jumping 'Rats

[MeekOneGOP]

Bump!

heeheehee! I got away with
murder, rape, obstructing justice. . .
I so proud of myself!

[dhuffman@awod.com]

Further, more likely than what you sarcastically(?) refer to as "obfuscation", you are seeing the outcome of your niggardly education. Naught, written by me, is obfuscated. Your failure to perceive clearly is not due to my lack of clarity. If you've further questions on any writing then ask and I'll rephrase but I doubt you'll be satisfied with the achieved clarity.

The conspiracy of ignorance masquerades as common sense.

[YaYa123]

"utter failure...utter failure"....nice ring to it.

But what's soooooooooooooooooo utterly maddening...the media goobers have these 'containment team' spinners on and act as if what they say about Clinton is legit. Last night on CNN, Paul Begala is spinning like a top, and the anchor lets him go on and on....doesn't challenge him, makes no mention of the obvious whoppers Begala is spitting out.

I flipped channels...I refuse to scream obscenities at the television so close to Christmas.

Begala is so disingenuous!! He said he wasn't at the meeting...DUH...like we won't figure out he was in on the conference call, on the fax list, and helps Clinton dream up all this crap.

Begala, I remember, was so proud of the crucifix he got from Pope Paul when he came to the US...maybe he thinks it absolves him of punishment for a career built on deception.

[aristeides]

The Washington ComPost also chose to run the first of its two-part series on how Clinton did his best to catch bin Laden on Dec. 19th. I suspect the timing was deliberate.

[boltfromblue]

When someone makes so well such powerfully concise statements broadcast to a wide audience such as this, it still bears repeating, for those who are mentally blinded by their eight+ years of bias against these truths, because of the spin perpetuated incessantly by the Clinton 'cullions,' a good word in need of revival.

[steve-b]

BILL, GO AWAY! YOU ARE NOT THE PRESIDENT ANY MORE!! YOUR PATHETIC ATTEMPTS AT SPIN ARE NOT GOING TO CHANGE THE VERDICT OF HISTORY!!!

[steve-b]

Clinton Contaiment Team

In a just world, this term would refer to three shifts of prison guards.

[cardinal4]

The Clinton Achievement---

The only achievement I can think of is not getting hit by the plane that crashed into the white House lawn.The pilot in question will have to refile for a destination of Harlem.

[RedBloodedAmerican]

What if everybody on FR posted the way you do, with massive text and slow loading HTML? We'd be dead in the water

"We"?

Do you own and operate FR? Try to stay on topic. If you don't like the thread, skip it.

Great post, Mia. As usual you get your point across with flair and in an eye-catching way.

[usconservative]

Normally I avoid your threads Mia, because they're so fraught with flashing graphics, obnoxious colors, and are too lengthy to read.

Boy, am I sure glad I visited this thread. Flashing graphics, obnoxious colors - which are your trademark are all there, but what a hell of a job you did stringing all the info. together and tying up the loose ends!

Well done!! Kudos!!

[1John]

Snert alert!!!!

This is an official **Freeper Snert Alert** !!

FReepers are advised to put down their coffee cups and swallow carefully before reading the following from steve-b:

Clinton Contaiment Team

In a just world, this term would refer to three shifts of prison guards.

LOL!

[MississippiMan]

The NYT piece on the Clinton team provides for some head-shaking disgust and laughter, but posts like these that scroll on and on and on and on and on and on and on would take a half-day to read.

MM

[mountaineer]

More Clinton scandal news: civil rights figure Ernest Green, who had ties to Clinton and his Chinese bag man Charlie Trie, has pleaded guilty to federal tax charges (story here).

[Vinnie]

We will know of the plans when Edwards starts making 'fact finding' trips overseas. He has already taking one trip to the Middle East. Guess that makes him an expert on that region. Where will be the next stop? Asia?

Of course he won't have the CIC experience col. klink had. After all, col. klink was CIC of the Arkanas National Guard :)

[desertcry]

Thanks, for a great post. It will take the MOTHER of ALL SPINS by the clintonistas, and humangous support of the liberal media to show, that the bent one had done anything of value for the benifit of the American people. On the other hand, there are mountains of glaring deeds by the bent one to show what a scumbag he is. This low life of a president is intirely without SHAME!!! May he disappear into the voids, never to be seen again.

[RnMomof7]

Home run !!! HIStory will reveal the truth of the "Liar in chief"

Merry Christmas

[f.Christian]

Four, too many people in the last 35 years have devised a delusional system whereby they look upon reality and pleas to take basic responsibility as an oppressive right-wing conspiracy. They have been supported in this belief by the media instead of having it challenged.

The Clintons have surfed this psychotic cultural and generational wave into the White House.

The attempt has been made to understand Bill and Hillary Clinton, particularly Bill, in terms of classical neurosis from abusive childhoods. But much of what is seen in the Clinton generation has made that model obsolete, although many from that generation, including psychiatrists and psychologists, desperately hold on to it to relieve themselves of any personal responsibility.

The truth is, Bill and Hillary Clinton have not suffered a bit of inconvenience for nearly 40 years¾including, for Bill, the inconvenience of military service. By his freshman year in high school Bill found he could manipulate people with showy glibness and deception, and nobody would call him on it. A good memory for acting lines would carry him through easy courses in the most prestigious schools in the country without effort or necessity to learn seriously. From there, he went almost immediately to being the boy governor of a state, and on to the presidency. It was all done with a little empty talk on a level that could be found on any high school debate team.

Hillary has led a similar life of ease and is now being pushed to take a senate seat and run for the presidency in 2004 on a platform of angrily confronting a vast right-wing conspiracy¾ which essentially consists of making accusatory and sarcastic remarks at you and me through a TV screen to the delight of angry women, spoiled angry leftists, and angry minorities. It isn't a bad life for an untalented spoiled brat who, without the world of TV and alienated politics, would be lucky to hold a job as a waitress in a truck stop.

The problem with the both Clintons is that they were long ago licensed to think and act at primitive, immature, and irrational levels of functioning. Much of this was a self-conferred licensing by a generation which has continued, and which has been the root of most of the political, economic, and social problems in this country.

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Robert L. Kocher is the author of "The American Mind in Denial." He is an engineer working in the area of solid-state physics, and has done graduate study in clinical psychology. His email address is steiner@access.mountain.net.

>>>>===link=====> from... The Laissez Faire City Times, Vol 3, No 7, Feb. 15, 1<=====link=====<<<<

[Uncle Bill]

Excellent Mia, as usual! God bless.

[kylaka]

I've always been supportive of Mia's posts, even when I was running a 486DX and a 28.8 modem. Glad to see you do too. They are works of art, no duplicates, and always informative and entertaining. I think of them as the Readers Digest version of all things Clinton. (not to mention the amount of work involved in putting one of those puppies up on FR).

[Defender2]

As Usual, Outstanding Post, Mia T!!!!:-)

[Southack]

Somehow I doubt that even the vaunted liberal press' myriad teams of socialist sycophants can convince average Americans that Clinton's pardon of FALN terrorists and fugitive felon Middle-East arms dealers / financiers (ala Marc Rich) did much to stem terrorism.

[Mia T]

Q ERTY6 bump!

History will necessarily record that this depraved, self-absorbed and inept duo NEVER, EVER failed to put their pasty posteriors first.

For eight years (and counting), the consistent clinton calculus has been (and still is) this:

"How will this decision affect THE CLINTONS? To hell with the children; to hell with the country; indeed, to hell with civilization."

 

 

 

 

I think that history will view this much differently. They will say I made a bad personal mistake, I paid a serious price for it, but that I was right to stand and fight for my country and my constitution and its principles...

-----the First Psychopath, himself

 

 

 

 

...[bill clinton], a man who will be regarded in the history books as one of our greatest presidents.

-----Al Gore at clinton's post-impeachment rally

 

I suspect that, to spite us all,

Arthur Schlesinger will live to 120

just so he can write

the definitive clinton hagiography.

--------Mia T, Musings: Senatorial Courtesy Perverted

   

History Lesson

by Mia T

 

Someone--was it Maupassant?--

once called history "that excitable and lying old lady."

The same can be said of historians.

 

Surely it can be said of Doris Kearns Goodwin,

the archetypical pharisaical historian,

not-so-latently clintonoid,

Lieberman-Paradigmatic

(i.e., clinton is an unfit president;

therefore clinton must remain president),

intellectually dishonest,

(habitually doing what the Arthur Schlesingers of this world do:

making history into the proof of their theories).

 

The Forbids 400's argument is shamelessly spurious.

They get all unhinged over the impeachment of clinton,

claiming that it will

"leave the presidency permanently disfigured and diminished,

at the mercy as never before of the caprices of any Congress."

 

Yet they dismiss the real and present--and future!!--danger

to the presidency and the country

of not impeaching and removing

this admittedly unfit, (Goodwin)

"documentably dysfunctional," (NYT)

presidency-diminishing, (Goodwin)

power-abusing,

psychopathic thug.

 

Doris Kearns Goodwin and those 400 other

hog-and-bow-tied-save-clinton,

retrograde-obsessing historiographers

are a supercilious, power-hungry,

egomaniacal lot in their own right.

 

For them, clinton validates

what Ogden Nash merely hypothesized:

Any buffoon can make history,

but only a great man can write it.

 

 

[dighton]

... hog-and-bow-tied ...

Good one. Occasionally -- all right, almost never -- I can remember the Greek word for it.

[Stallone]

Nice Job!

[dighton]

Syllepsis?

[Orual]

Sou seeghareeteeria!! Pardon the transliteration - couldn't get the Greek letters to work here.

More than you ever wanted or needed to know:

"When a single word that governs or modifies two or more others must be understood differently with respect to each of those words. This combination of parallelism and incongruity often has a witty or comical effect. Not to be confused with zeugma. Not to be confused with zeugma.

Originally, syllepsis named that grammatical incongruity resulting when a word governing two or more others could not agree with both or all of them; for example, when a singular verb serves as the predicate to two subjects, singular and plural ("His boat and his riches is sinking"). In the rhetorical sense, syllepsis has more to do with applying the same single word to the others it governs in distinct senses (e.g., literal and metaphorical); thus, "His boat and his dreams sank."

[Mia T]

It is my view that the antidote to THE BIG LIE promulgated by the clinton agitprop machine is THE BIG TRUTH. With the advent of the internet, we have the power to bypass the elitist media and bring the truth directly to the people. The internet is a powerful weapon, but we must learn how to harness it.

Information overload is a problem that has only been exacerbated by the internet. The answer to information overload is the systematic propagation of information; that is to say, the answer to information overload is PROPAGANDA...

If we are to succeed, we must exploit propaganda techniques; we must adapt them to this new venue; we must not be afraid to use them...

Film Noir in the White House

by Mia T

"Read my future." - "You haven't got any."

--Exchange in Touch of Evil between Orson Welles and Marlene Dietrich (as a gypsy fortune teller)

 

 

 

 

Leni Riefenstahl, the film genius who outmaneuvered propaganda minister, Joseph Goebbels to chronicle Hitler's 1934 Nuremberg rallies in perhaps the most notorious documentary ever filmed, Triumph of the Will, symbolizes the naïve actress and director who is induced to deal with devils -- Nazi-pantalooned then. . . nasty, pantless (or pantsuited) now . . .

 

After the war, Riefenstahl excused her effort as pure documentary -- watch for Streisand, Spielberg, Geffen et al. to do the same one day -- yet she compiled one section, Hitler's motorcade to Munich, from several different events and shot the closeups of Nazi leaders at the podium in a staged studio sequence.

 

As Riefenstahl told it, editing-to-perfection was crucial. She insisted that the finished quality of Triumph of Will came from her editing, not from any imposition of "posed shots" or choreography on her part. With her innovative editing techniques, Riefenstahl deliberately and selectively aestheticized Hitler and the Congress' proceedings. By editing out a shot of Hitler wiping his nose and including instead "more interesting expressions," by eliminating the human, Riefenstahl eliminated the inhuman.

 

The only difference today, in this era of ubiquitous cameras, continuous news and the shameless auteur-tyrant, is that the useful-idiot Washington Press Corps, spun by and on the Hollywood-Arkansas Axis, edits out the clintons' inhumanity (and ineptitude) in real time. . .

 

 

 

[MizSterious]

"Who's paying for this"--question of the year. Audit that library fund! Mia T, thanks for the ping. Excellent work as always!

[Mia T]

Thanx for the interesting info.

In sylleptic terms,

had Schlesinger

lost his bow tie with his mind,

that particular syllepsis would have never been. ;)

[beckett]

I really like that brilliant little essay on Riefenstahl, Mia.

The quote from a Touch of Evil reminds me of one of my favorites between Cary Grant and James Mason in North by Northwest:

Cary Grant: "Apparently the only performance that's going to satisfy you is when I play dead."
James Mason: "Your very next role. You'll be quite convincing, I assure you."

[beckett]

Mia and I go way back to a Usenet board on AOL. Some of her brilliant material can be traced to things she wrote then. In particular, her reference to the "excitable and lying old lady" of history was part of a posting from those days. Then she phrased it, "Someone--I forget who-- once called history "that excitable and lying old lady." Naively believing that she sincerely forgot who said such a thing, and at the time not realizing how deeply literate she is, I researched the question and found it was de Maupassant, something I'm sure Mia knew all along.

Mia now includes de Maupassant's name in that particular piece. I like to think she does it to avoid confusing some of us whose gift for words isn't as abundant as hers. I have a proprietary feeling for the alteration (deserved or not, I really don't know), and I consider it my contribution to her impressive, creative and brilliant body of work.

[Mia T]

thanx, beckett. I had forgotten. you are absolutely right...Another fact: The hostility to my posts was palpable -- it was the NYT forum. ;)

[SemperFidelis]

I agree with Lonesome. Keep doin' what you do best.

How have you been?

[Slyfox]

Clinton: "We must do more to reduce the pool of potential terrorists"

It all depends on how you define the word, "terrorist".

Just look at the kind of people Clinton DID go after. Pro-lifers, second ammendment defenders, people with nutty but harmless religions, radio talk show hosts and the people who listen to them, legal refugees - Chinese and Cuban, bonafide and legal drug companies as opposed to the illegal ones, women he raped and sexually-harrassed...

[Mia T]

The quote from a Touch of Evil reminds me of one of my favorites between Cary Grant and James Mason in North by Northwest:

Cary Grant: "Apparently the only performance that's going to satisfy you is when I play dead."
James Mason: "Your very next role. You'll be quite convincing, I assure you."

posted on 12/23/01 11:27 AM Pacific by beckett

North by Northwest? Are you sure it's not from the old west wing? Vince Foster in the Cary Grant role...and as James Mason, either of the mephitically interchangeable clintons.

[Mia T]

Clinton: "We must do more to reduce the pool of potential terrorists."

Q ERTY3 + Q ERTY6 bump!

What about the pool of ACTUAL terrorists, (like, say, the FALN or bin Laden), you impeached twit?

What is most interesting about the rapist's clinton-was-an-utter-failure containment team scheme is the calculation that incompetency is a preferable legacy to idiocy or a sui generis narcissistic sedition.

[chambley1]

Send to your local newspaper:

Editor: Several participants at a recent meeting in ex-President Clinton's Harlem office said in interviews that they had agreed to compile a list of the Clinton administration's achievements that his supporters could have handy when defending the president.

One thing the ex-president may consider is to add the infamous "Blue Stained Dress" to the First Lady Dress exhibit at the Smithsonian. To add flare to the exhibit, and to make the dress stand out more than the others, they can exhibit it under ultraviolet light to highlight one of the ex-president's best personal achievement streaks.

I wonder how many of the ex-President's staffers stopped by ground zero or visited with victims who lost family members while in New York. The answer is probably zero.

A disgrace to the nation.

God Bless America.

[Southack]

Please remove me from your Bump list.

[Mia T]

No problem...altho I find your public request a bit curious...

[Southack]

"No problem...altho I find your public request a bit curious..."

Thanks. I'm surprised, however, that you of all people would be curious about another's style.

[Mia T]

You say "style." I say "stiletto."

[aristeides]

A James Mason villain had infinitely more class than either Clinton could ever have.

[ChaseR]

AS USUSAL, EXCELLENT THREAD Mia T - thanks and keep up the great work! BTTT!

[Mia T]

Q ERTY2 BUMP!

[Mia T]

classy-"trailer-park-trash"-is-an-oxymoron BUMP!

 

Even THE MOB wouldn't be caught dead with them...

"My client had nothing to do with the low-rent, trailer-park trash politicians who infested our country for the past eight years."

--Michael Rosen, lawyer for Thomas Gambino, son of late Mafia boss Carlo Gambino

New York Post via The Wall Street Journal

(Michael Rosen was understandably eager to distance his client, a convicted loan shark, from the clintons. Another Thomas Gambino reportedly paid $50,000 to roger clinton in an unsuccessful effort to get a pardon for his father, Rosario Gambino.),

 

Don't lose

Your head

To gain a minute

You need your head

Your brains are in it.

--an old roadside ad, Pushme-Pullyou

 

 

 

 

[Mia T]

Q ERTY1BUMP!

[Mia T]

Clinton Contaiment Team

In a just world, this term would refer to three shifts of prison guards.  --steve-b

 

 

Q ERTY2 bump!

 

 

 

68 rms riv view

NY househunting for AR felons

 

by Mia T

 

 

 

In my view, "Newgate" would be the perfect home for the clintons.

Erected in rural country ("pleasant, airy, and salubrious," as Thomas Eddy called the site in his 1801 book), Newgate was located about two miles above City Hall in what is now Greenwich Village. (Selling point: Hillary-as-Giuliani-irritant is inversely proportional to distance of clinton abode from City Hall.) Construction was begun in the summer of 1796 and finished in late 1797.

 

On four acres overlooking the Hudson River, the Doric-style building was of two stories with a cupola, surrounded by a stone wall ranging from 14 to 23 feet high. It contained 54 12-by-18-foot rooms designed for eight persons each; there were also 14 solitary cells, eight feet by six feet and 14-foot high, with windows eight feet from the floor, for a total capacity of 446 occupants. A large room for a chapel was set aside, as were living quarters for the keeper and his family. Another two-story building of brick, 200 feet long by 20 feet wide, contained the work-shops. There was also a garden "in excellent order," as Eddy wrote. 'The entire cost of the grounds, buildings, and a wharf on the river-front was $208,846. The first "residents" arrived Nov.28, 1797.

 

Caveat emptor!

The clintons would be wrong to automatically equate the creepingly leftist location and incipiently leftist penal code of New York's first state prison with suitability.

 

Although Newgate was the embodiment of a new, "more enlightened" penal code--prior to Newgate, 16 crimes were punishable by death in New York, including murder, rape, robbery, treason, burglary, the taking of goods from a church, forgery and counterfeiting--it must be emphasized that treason and murder were retained as capital offenses as were all other felonies, if committed a second time.

 

Truth-in-advertising compels me to disclose that Newgate no longer exists. But this small detail should pose absolutely no problem for the clintons and their promiscuous campaigns, all of which being, after all, mock documentaries about non-entities, the paradoxical personification of nothingness.

 

 

Up the River Means Downwardly Mobile

 

 by Mia T

Are you ready to SING, SING, SING

--doug from upland

 

Sing-Sing and the clintons would be a great fit, Newgate notwithstanding. Imagine the two grim, oranged-suited, arrogant mobsters, marching in silent lockstep, their proximity to the infamous death house and the electric chair causing them quotidian night sweats, (If it's good enough for Ricky Ray Rector. . .). Imagine their fear, their subjugation to overbearing authority (If it's good enough for Billy Dale. . .) All the stuff of Sing-Sing legend. . .

 

Sing-Sing (much like the clintons, themselves) was conceived as a profit-making if exploitive enterprise. It was located on the Silver Mine Farm, an abandoned 130-acre mining site on the banks of the Hudson River precisely because of its rich quarry which provided materials for the construction of the prison (built with prisoner labor) and future sales.

The clintons, who have several decades of experience turning prisons into profit-making enterprises--(BLOOD TRAIL NEWS ARCHIVES)--not to mention copious experience in fraudulent mining ventures--( Zairean quid pro quo)--will feel right at home in Sing-Sing.

 

It's not easy to play fair against Mr. and Mrs. Clinton, who, in the words of the authors, "operated like a crime family, expecting friends and aides to protect them even against their own best interests." What's amazing, of course, is that's exactly what Clinton friends and aides have always done, from Susan McDougal to Webster Hubbell to flocks of nameless White House special assistants. Even Jim McDougal died just in time to deprive the independent counsel of a key witness against Mrs. Clinton, thus derailing what the authors report to have been her likely indictment for perjury and obstruction related to the Whitewater investigation....     

Reading the tumultuous events of the Lewinsky probe in a comprehensive narrative is unlike attempting to make sense of it in daily doses. Something different comes through the heavy accumulation of detail of, for example, the duplicity of the Justice Department, or the sharklike behavior of the White House. One begins to get a choking sense of the atmosphere of corruption and ruthlessness the Clintons inhabit -- and, worse, have forced the rest of us to inhabit. Taken in one piece, the habitual, even casual abuse of power on display begins to resemble conditions one normally associates with a state of totalitarianism, where such concepts as truth and justice are only paid lip service. In the end, then, it makes you wonder when there will be fresh air again.

-----Crime-family values