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Posted on 12/24/2001 3:41:59 AM PST by Mia T
Juxtapose this:
with this:
NEW YORK, Dec 21--Diehard clinton lackey, Lanny Davis tested the CLINTON-WAS-AN-UTTER-FAILURE Containment Team Scheme in what the clintons likely regard their most difficult venue, "The O'Reilly Factor." The top-rated Fox News show demonstrated once again that its motto, "the no spin zone," is no spin. The eponymous host swiftly stopped the spin (and the spin). O'Reilly debunked all the shameless clinton-directed revisionism spewed by Davis, exposing the absurdity of the CLINTON-WAS-AN-UTTER-FAILURE Containment Team Scheme even as he underscored clinton's immutable legacy of depravity and failure.
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If consorting with Clinton has soiled Jordan's reputation, as Jordan suggests, the restorative is to repudiate Clinton, not ignore him. That Jordan chooses the latter reveals either cosmic sized hole in his ability to reason or a desire to continue to hoodwink the public, neither of which will lead to the restoration of his reputation. Vernon needs to tell what he knows even though that might lead to some jail time. Only then will he be able to begin to get his reputation back.
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If consorting with Clinton has soiled Jordan's reputation, as Jordan suggests, the restorative is to repudiate Clinton, not ignore him. That Jordan chooses the latter reveals either cosmic sized hole in his ability to reason or a desire to continue to hoodwink the public, neither of which will lead to the restoration of his reputation. Vernon needs to tell what he knows even though that might lead to some jail time. Only then will he be able to begin to get his reputation back. 7 posted on 12/24/01 5:50 AM Pacific by laredo44
Even if Vernon Jordan weren't going the reputation-refurbishing route, he would have had a logistics problem including the rapist in his memoirs. The clinton-Jordon relationship was/is all about corruption. |
Haven't seen him since but IMHO he traded his soul to be a slave on the clinton plantation and was probably willing to do the slave act long before slick willie came on the scene. There is no integrity at all, no honor, just a certain slyness!
Jordan should be very, very worried. He knows where too many bodies are buried..........literally and figuratively. He also is keenly aware of what has happened to others with such knowledge of the Clintons in the past.
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Help Mia -- I can't believe I missed Lanny (who reached rock bottom and is beginning to dig) Davis and your links don't seem to work. Hopefully Fox has a transcript of the show.
Racist demagogues like the clintons require willing "victims" like Vernon Jordon.
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Excellent points. As for the buried bodies, literal and figurative, I'm sure clinton's ol' golf buddy found pal Ron Brown's -- uh -- dénouement, as well as Jesse Jackson's -- uh -- handling of same, quite instructive... Wall Street Project, clinton, Jesse Jackson and the Death of Ron Brown
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Exactly. It will be at best akin to a cheap Earl Scheib paint job on, let's say, an El Camino.
Did anyone even know Lanny wrote a book? It's laughingly titled:
Truth to Tell : Tell It Early, Tell It All, Tell It Yourself : Notes from My White House Education
(Amazon.com Sales Rank: 70,624)
Pardon me while I LMAO!
Merry Christmas, Mia
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Sorry. Fixed the spin links (altho they take you to the clinton spinners, not the transcripts). The eponymous host swiftly stopped the spin (and the spin) But fret not. clinton spinners are programmed to repeat the spin ad nauseam. You'll get another chance to hear Lanny... |
I'm glad you could bring yourself to watch it, though, Mia. Otherwise I wouldn't have learned of Jordan's noteworthy observation, which now becomes another brick in the wall of the Clinton mausoleum.
"Lanny Davis Davis has sported that conflicted, weepy look" No wonder Mia!!!
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Olson Book's Chilling Warning: Clinton's Terrorist Pardons Sent Signal Crime/Corruption In a bone chilling chapter of her new book "The Final Days," late heroine-author Barbara Olson warned that ex-president Bill Clinton's pardons of terrorists who had repeatedly bombed buildings in New York City "send a signal" that the U.S. isn't serious about fighting terrorism. In words that now seem like a harbinger of her own Sept. 11 death at the hands of the Middle Eastern terrorists, Olson cited example after example of how U.S. officials strenuously warned Clinton that pardoning FALN Puerto Rican separatists who had waged their own bombing jihad on America posed a threat to national security. In August 1999 Clinton pardoned 16 FALN terrorists without even being asked, in a move that was widely seen as a cynical ploy to win Hispanic votes for his wife's New York senate bid. The group had planned and executed 130 bombing attacks on New York, Chicago and Washington, D.C. from 1974 to 1983. Miraculously, the FALN managed to kill just six Americans. But hundreds more were seriously wounded. Law enforcement officials were stunned when Clinton decided to pardon the FALN bombers. "The FBI's assistant director of national security, Neil Gallagher, said that the people turned loose by Clinton 'are criminals, and they are terrorists, and they represent a threat to the United States,'" Olson wrote. In a subchapter eerily headlined "Pardons for Terrorists Send a Signal," she reported: "President Clinton had not bothered to consult with relatives of victims of FALN terrorism. In fact, the survivors of those murdered and those whose lives had otherwise been destroyed by the terrorists were not even informed that their attackers were being released." Olson continued: "Deputy Attorney General Eric Holder.... conceded that the nation owed much greater consideration to the victims. And Holder's boss, Janet Reno, explicitly acknowledged that groups aligned with the FALN still posed a threat to national security." In comments turned gut-wrenching in light of last month's attacks, former Justice Department pardon attorney Margaret Love told the late author that Clinton's terrorist pardons should have set off alarm bells. "We should have seen a big flashing red light because of the FALN cases.... That was a foreshoadowing of what happened later." Love was referring to Clinton's January 2001 pardons of drug dealers and international fugitives, not the attacks on the U.S., which no one foresaw. But it's nearly impossible now to read those words as anything but prophesy of the terrorist acts that murdered Olson and nearly 6,000 others last month. In a moment of now legendary heroism, the late author telephoned her husband, Solicitor General Ted Olson, from American Flight 175 to warn that terrorists had hijacked her plane. Mr. Olson had the terrible task of telling his wife that two planes had slammed into New York's World Trade Center minutes before. Barbara Olson's phone call was the first warning the government had that Washington, D.C. had come under similar attack. In comments sure to irk those who argued for eight years that Bill Clinton's private life was nobody else's business, the late author contends that the terrorist pardons were payback for Mrs. Clinton indulging her husband's decades of rampant philandering. "Hillary had done a lot of heavy lifting for her husband, much of it, such as the various bimbo eruptions, that required her to hold her nose. She had to cover for her husband and lie." Olson called the FALN pardons Bill Clinton's "first return on her investment." Though a lively debate has raged ever since Sept. 11 over whether the ex-president did as much as he could to stop Osama bin Laden, the one-time congressional Clinton investigator is the first to raise the FALN pardon question at any length. Perhaps now Sen. Clinton, who has made herself newly available on the TV talk show circuit since the World Trade Center attacks, will be asked whether she agrees with Olson that her husband's terrorist pardons "sent a signal."
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"My client had nothing to do with the low-rent, trailer-park trash politicians who infested our country for the past eight years."
(Michael Rosen was understandably eager to distance his client, a convicted loan shark, from the clintons. Another Thomas Gambino reportedly paid $50,000 to roger clinton in an unsuccessful effort to get a pardon for his father, Rosario Gambino.),
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"I did not have any involvement in the pardons that were granted or not granted," insisted Sen. KnowNothing, seeming to forget her presence at the New-Square/Oval-Office schmooze that secured pardons for the four Hasidic felons who set up a phony school in Brooklyn to swindle the government out of millions intended for the poor.  |
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WASHINGTON- February 22. Sen. KnowNothing Victim Clinton held her premiere press conference today on Capitol Hill, ostensibly to answer questions about the peddling of White House pardons by her brother and her campaign treasurer. Notably absent among the press queries were any about her own involvement not only in those pardons, but in the larger universe of sold pardons--the incipient clinton scandal du jour--Pardongate. KnowNothing's brother, Hugh Rodham, secured two of the 141 clinton midnight pardons, one for a cocaine kingpin and the other for a snake-oil swindler. Rodham netted a quick $400,000 for his "work" according to various rodhams and clintons and their assorted lawyers. KnowNothing's campaign treasurer, William Cunningham III, himself a law partner of longtime KnowNothing adviser Harold Ickes, helped obtain last-minute pardons for two convicted felons. LA FAMIGLIA Displaying a willingness to throw her brother (along with her husband) to the wolves, Sen. Victim Clinton was quick to make a distinction between her big, bad brother's pardon "work" and that of her campaign treasurer, "a fine lawyer and a fine man." The "family" connection of brother Rodham to Clinton made brother Rodham's "work" bad, bad, bad, whereas the campaign treasurer Cunningham's connection to the senator and her campaign coffers made his securing of two pardons in record time a sterling example of highminded, effective public service. KnowNothing is apparently not the best of thinkers. If the "family" connection makes lobbying for cocaine-kingpin and snake-oil-swindler pardons bad, bad, bad for brother Rodham, then the "family" connection makes lobbying for the Hasidim 4 (see Keating 5) pardons bad, badder, baddest for the wife, First Lady and senator-elect. Moreover, pardons for votes is arguably worse than pardons for dough. EFFECTIVELY PLEADS 5TH BY INVOKING SPOUSAL PRIVILEGE KnowNothing specifically declined to answer when asked whether she discussed the pardons with her husband, effectively pleading the 5th. Turning aside questions about the pardon decisions her husband had made, she told reporters they should address those issues with him and his staff. She refused to say whether he should agree to appear voluntarily before congressional committees investigating the pardons. Interestingly, no one asked her whether she would agree to appear voluntarily before those same congressional committees. I DIDN'T HAVE SEX WITH THAT PARDON "I did not have any involvement in the pardons that were granted or not granted," insisted Sen. KnowNothing, seeming to forget her presence at the New-Square/Oval-Office schmooze that secured pardons for the four Hasidic felons who set up a phony school in Brooklyn to swindle the government out of millions intended for the poor. RESURRECTING RUFF KnowNothing noted that her"best memory" was that she never spoke to her brother or to Mr. Cunningham about the pardons. With variations of "I don't have a memory" and "my best memory, and avoiding the more obvious "I don't recall" and "my best recollection," KnowNothing reprised the Ruffian standard used during the clinton years to commit perjury without penalty. I GET LETTERS ...or more precisely, envelopes. During her denials of involvement in any of the pardons, KnowNothing made the curious claim: "People handed me envelopes, I passed them on [and never opened a single one. Honest.]" I AM VICTIM Reprising the role of victim that enabled her to win a senate seat in spite of record-high personal negatives and public failures, the senator peppered her answers about big, bad Hugh (understanding that the subtext was big, bad Bill) with "saddened" and "disappointed" and "heartbroken" and "shocked." UTTER CONTEMPT FOR THE PEOPLE This session today was cut short by a staffer when reporters appeared dissatisfied by Senator KnowNothing's lack of candor. In the end, this press conference full of poses, poll-tested phrases and prevarication was just another display of the clintons' utter contempt for the people. Bill Clinton committed the same error last Sunday in his shameless, lie-filled New York Times Pardongate Apologia. The clintons' fundamental error: They are too arrogant and dim-witted to understand that the demagogic process in this fiberoptic age isn't about counting spun heads; it's about not discounting circumambient brains. 
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Brian Lamb downed Jordan with the expected uptown refinement and politesse. Lamb first had Jordon confirm (read 'boast') that the clinton-Jordon friendship was longstanding, deep and ongoing. Then he asked Jordon why this friendship was omitted from his memoirs. |
Please consider using less graphics?
I will qualify that request with the following statement...
If I am in the minority, in that me and my Pentium One with a telephone modem are in the vast minority, please ignore my request. I'll deal with it.
No offense intended, just an honest comment...When I see one of your posts, I commonly don't read it, simply because of all the graphics. Again...Just an FYI...Please don't take it for anythng more than that.
Saudi money Aiding Terrorist Osama bin Laden
USA TODAY
By Jack Kelley
10/28/99- Updated 11:12 PM ET
WASHINGTON - More than a year after the U.S. Embassy bombings in East Africa, prominent businessmen in Saudi Arabia continue to transfer tens of millions of dollars to bank accounts linked to indicted terrorist Osama bin Laden, senior U.S. intelligence officials told USA TODAY.
The money transfers, which began more than five years ago, have been used to finance several terrorist acts by bin Laden, including the attempted assassination in 1995 of Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak in Ethiopia, the officials said.
Secretary of State Madeleine Albright is expected to raise the issue with Prince Sultan, the Saudi defense minister, during his visit to Washington next week. Saudi Arabia, the main U.S. ally in the Persian Gulf, has pledged to fight terrorism.
According to a Saudi government audit acquired by U.S. intelligence, five of Saudi Arabia's top businessmen ordered the National Commercial Bank (NCB), the kingdom's largest, to transfer personal funds, along with $3 million diverted from a Saudi pension fund, to New York and London banks.
The money was deposited into the accounts of Islamic charities, including Islamic Relief and Blessed Relief, that serve as fronts for bin Laden.
The businessmen, who are worth more than $5 billion, are paying bin Laden "protection money" to stave off attacks on their businesses in Saudi Arabia, intelligence officials said. Bin Laden, whose family runs the largest Saudi construction firm, has called for the overthrow of the Saudi government.
The money transfers were discovered in April after the royal family ordered an audit of NCB and its founder and former chairman, Khalid bin Mahfouz, U.S. officials say. Mahfouz is now under "house arrest" at a military hospital in the Saudi city of Taif, intelligence officials said.
His successor, Mohammad Hussein Al-Amoudi, also heads the Capital Trust Bank in New York and London, which U.S. and British officials are investigating for allegedly transferring money to bin Laden. Amoudi's Washington lawyer, Vernon Jordan, could not be reached for comment.
Mahfouz's son, Abdul Rahman Mahfouz, is on the board of Blessed Relief in Sudan. Suspects in the Mubarak attack are linked to the charity.
Bin Laden faces U.S. criminal charges for allegedly masterminding the 1998 bombings of U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania that killed 224 people. Bin Laden, who is in Afghanistan, denies the charges.
Saudi Ambassador Prince Bandar bin Sultan declined to comment on the reports.
I saw this deposition live and was screaming at the screen while Jordon told this. bald-faced lie.
This book has nothing to do with resurrecting his reputation. By his own admission, Jordan's been a close, personal friend of the Clinton Crime Family since 1973. Like both Hitlery and Wee-Willy, this book is the conduit for a payoff.
http://www.senate.gov/~rpc/archive/impeach/jordan0202.htm
Arkansas Representative Asa Hutchinson is questioning Vernon Jordan.
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Q All right. And do you recall a discussion with Ms. Lewinsky at the Park Hyatt on this occasion in which there were notes discussed that she had written to the President?
A I am certain that Ms. Lewinsky talked to me about notes.
Q On this occasion?
A Yes.
Q And would these have been notes that she would have sent to the President?
A I think that there was--these notes had to do with correspondence between Ms. Lewinsky and the President.
Q And would have she mentioned the retention or copies of some of that correspondence on her computer in her apartment?
A She may have done that.
Q And did you ask her a question, were these notes from the President do you?
A I understood from our conversation that she and the President had correspondence that went back and forth.
Q And did you make a statement to her, "Go home and make sure they're not there"?
A Mr. Hutchinson, I'm a lawyer and I'm a loyal friend, but I'm not a fool, and the notion that I would suggest to anybody that they destroy anything just defies anything that I know about myself. So the notion that I said to her "go home and destroy notes" is ridiculous.
Q Well, I appreciate that reminder of ethical responsibilities. It was--
A No, it had nothing to do with ethics, as much as it's just good common sense, mother wit. You remember that in the South.
Q And so--and let me read a statement that she made to the grand jury on August 6th, 1998. This is the testimony of Ms. Lewinsky, referring to a conversation with you at the Park Hyatt that, "She," referring to Linda Tripp, "was my friend. I didn't really trust her. I used to trust her, but I didn't trust her anymore, and I was a little bit concerned because she had spent the night at my home a few times, and I thought--I told Mr. Jordan. I said, 'Well, maybe she's heard some'--you know, I mean, maybe she saw some notes lying around, and Mr. Jordan said, 'Notes from the President to you?,' and I said, 'No. Notes from me to the President,' and he said, 'Go home and make sure they're not there.'"
A And, Mr. Hutchinson, I'm saying to you that I never heard the name "Linda Tripp" until I read the Judge--Drudge Report. Secondly, let me say to you that I, too, have read Ms. Lewinsky's testimony about that breakfast, and I can say to you, without fear of contradiction on my part, maybe on her part, that the notion that I told her to go home and destroy notes is just out of the question.
Q And so this is not a matter of you not recalling whether that occurred or not--
A I am telling you--
Q Well, let me--
A --emphatically--
Q Mr. Jordan, let me finish the question.
A Okay, all right.
Q Please, sir.
A Okay.
Q It's sort of important for the record. This is a statement by Ms. Lewinsky that you flatly and categorically deny?
A Absolutely.
Q Now, you talked about "mother wit," I think it was; that you knew at the time that you had this discussion with Ms. Lewinsky that these notes would have been covered by the subpoena based upon your discussion of that on December 19th?
A Ask that question again.
Q All right. This is a meeting on December 31st at the Park Hyatt.
A Right.
Q A discussion about the notes, correspondence between Ms. Lewinsky and the President.
A Right.
Q You are aware, based upon your discussion of the subpoena on December 19th, that these were covered under the subpoena?
A Yes.
Q And did you tell Ms. Lewinsky that you need to make sure you tell your attorney, Mr. Carter, and that these are turned over under the subpoena?
A What I did not tell her was to destroy the notes. Whether I told her to give them to Mr. Carter or not, I have no recollection of that.
Q But you knew at the time that these notes were a matter of evidence?
A I think that's a valid assumption.
Q But you knew that?
A It's a valid assumption.
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Thanks for the transcript! I think there is another explanation for Asa Hutchinson's less than thorough questioning...I have noticed that white interrogators invariably handle Jordon with a cloyingly sweet reverence. ( "Kill reverence and you've killed the hero in man"--Ayn Rand) Just last night, professionalism quickly became obeisance as Brit Hume, universally considered competent and fair, interviewed Jordon about his book. What I think is going on is this: Vernon Jordon continues to skirt the law on a decades-old civil-rights wound. As for Mother wit, Mother wit tell a different story...As I said above, I'm sure clinton's ol' golf buddy found pal Ron Brown's nasty dénouement, and Jesse Jackson's handling of same, quite instructive...
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Thank you for all your gifts to the Free Republic's members and lurkers.
Vermin Vernon Jordan omitted his relationship with Bill Clinton exactly for the reason you state - "The clinton-Jordon relationship was/is all about corruption."
(If the glaring omission were about "restoring his reputation", I think we would have seen/heard Jordan on talk show after talk show, or at least on written page, apologizing for said relationship, don't you? Hasn't happened and it won't.
Your association of Clintonism with Totalitarianism is quite apt. Those, like Jordan, who have had their part in the corruption and destruction wrought by the Clintonistas have but one way to "redeem" themselves. They have but one way to make reparations for the crimes they have committed against America and Americans.
Come forward, ala a Whitaker Chambers insider turned informer, with all the truth, all the damning details of the crimes Jordan and others know all about - and become a "Witness" for the prosecution of the Clintons for crimes against America - and there would be a hope of redemption.
Otherwise, Jordan and other "F.O.B.'s" are simply worth nothing but the loathing they have earned by their complicity with the Clinton Crime Gang.
It reminds me of someone else whom was known as "Mr. Fix-it." Charles Ruff was also the ultimate Washington insider. At least he was until he died of a "heart attack" or an "accident" in his shower, or bed or somewhere in between. Insofar as I've been able to ascertain, the cause of death is still unknown.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/events/clinton_under_fire/profiles/newsid_168000/168592.stm
Vernon Jordan: Smooth operator
The Clinton scandal put Vernon Jordan into the limelight
Vernon Jordan is the ultimate Washington insider. He has been called a "go-between", a "fixer-without-portfolio", a "freelance hired gun".
What everyone wanted to know during the Lewinsky scandal was whether the master fixer had got himself into his own unfixable fix - and if so was it at the behest of the president?
There is no question about Vernon Jordan's close relationship with President Clinton. After the 1992 election, he chaired the Clinton transition team. And at the time, there was talk that he could have any cabinet post he chose. In the end, he chose to stay out of the limelight.
His lack of an official post has not lessened his friendship with Mr Clinton. The Clintons spend Christmas Eve with the Jordans and often visit them at their holiday home in the island resort of Martha's Vineyard.
"The last thing he'd ever do is betray a friendship," Mr Clinton once told the New York Times. "It's good to have a friend like that."
Rapid rise to power
Like Mr Clinton, Vernon Jordan grew up poor in America's deep south. In the 1960s, he entered the civil rights movement to fight for black equality. Reports say that early in his career Mr Jordan decided that working inside the system was the best way to advance the status of the black community - and his own.
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Those contacts served Mr Jordan well in the 1980s. After he survived a racist assassination attempt in an Indiana hotel parking lot, Mr Jordan left the civil rights movement for corporate power.
"The whole point of the civil rights movement was to open the doors of access to mainstream America," said Hugh Price, Mr Jordan's successor at the National Urban League. "Vernon Jordan both opened those doors and led the charge through."
Asked what his strengths as a lawyer were, Mr Jordan responded: "I know people, all kinds, everywhere and I can understand them."
"Knowing people" helped Mr Jordan become a Washington "super-lawyer". His ability to cut back-room deals and smooth over rough spots has secured him a seat on the boards of some of America's most high-profile companies, including Revlon, where he helped Monica Lewinsky to get a job.
Man in the shadows
But his moving and shaking among both the government and corporate elite is exactly what raises suspicions about his dealings in the Clinton scandal.
Although Mr Jordan says he helped Miss Lewinsky with her "vocational aspirations" because he believes "in giving a helping hand", few believe he would go out of his way for a lowly intern.
"Vernon Jordan is a Mr Fix-it," said Eleanor Clift of Newsweek magazine. "His very presence in this scandal raises suspicion that something did go on or else he would not have been needed."
Mr Clinton needs shrewd friends during his time of trouble. Mr Jordan is one of them. If Mr Clinton survives the scandal, he will owe much to Vernon Jordan. But then Mr Jordan has built his life by being owed favours by the powerful.
I'm trying to catch up on all of my flags and FReepmails. I've been off line for a while.
Methinks the rats and sycophants will start writing expose's on the clintons now, because they don't have the IRS, FBI, etc. to intimidate or destory anymore.
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LAMB: How much do you see Bill Clinton today?
Mr. JORDAN: Oh, a good bit. We're either on the phone or we're having lunch at--at the Sugar Hill Restaurant or we're having supper or a drink at his house or mine, or we're on the golf course. So, we st--we'll--we will always be friends.
LAMB: How did you get to be close friends?
Mr. JORDAN: It evolved. I was in Atlanta or I was in New York. He was in Little Rock. We always stayed in touch, always stayed in touch with--with Senator Clinton, and we were just friends, interested in the same issues, interested in the same region, and that common interest kept us bound together, and we still are.
LAMB: How important do you think it was to his image in the black community that people saw you playing golf with him?
Mr. JORDAN: Oh, I think it was a reenforcement of--of his friendship with me, of his attachment to and understanding of the needs and aspirations of black people.
LAMB: Did you ever talk about the value of that when--all those clips over the years?
Mr. JORDAN: He and I? No, not really. We just did or things as buddies and friends.
LAMB: Why did you choose not to write about your friendship with him in the book?
Mr. JORDAN: Well, simply because this book covers my civil rights time. Another reason is that to some extent my--my life in the public view was defined by the Clinton presidency, and it was very important to me for people to understand that I--that the most exciting time in my life was before Clinton was president. It was the civil rights movement. It was the Voter Education Project, the Urban League, the College Fund, working for Hollowell, organizing for the NAACP. That's a part of my life and a part of my time that I have had to--time to reflect and think about, and so I wrote about it.
The full transcript can be found here.
His true motive may have been to preserve his own reputation, as you suggest. But he didn't say it in this interview.
That's odd, because were it not for Clinton, 99.9% of America wouldn't know or care who Vernon Jordan was
You can run but you can't hide....Know what I mean Vern.
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with its theology of contempt? 
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