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Human Sacrifice Rationalization in 7th Grade Curriculum
San Diego County Office of Education ^ | Schools of California Online Resources for Educators (SCORE) Project

Posted on 12/30/2001 5:51:19 PM PST by mvpel

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1 posted on 12/30/2001 5:51:19 PM PST by mvpel (mvpel@yahoo.com)
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To: mvpel
Just another way to subtly make kids feel sorry for the poor Aztecs who were slaughtered and all by the mean old Christian Spaniards.
2 posted on 12/30/2001 5:57:18 PM PST by 3catsanadog
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To: mvpel
The 9-11 twin towers attack was just high-tech human sarifice to Allah.
3 posted on 12/30/2001 6:07:34 PM PST by spycatcher
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To: mvpel
Aztecs were the masters of human sacrifice until A Hitler and company came along.
4 posted on 12/30/2001 6:08:20 PM PST by dennisw
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To: mvpel
And the Aztecs invented flying machines and had telephones way before the Spaniards came. < /sarcasm>

Little Juan may not be able to read after graduating from public school, but at least he comes away with a whole lot of (unearned) self-respect.

5 posted on 12/30/2001 6:12:21 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: mvpel
You can't have cultural relativism without finding some way to excuse Aztec human sacrifice. Trouble is, if you're going to excuse that, you're also going to have to find some way to excuse the Nazis and the Holocaust, and bin Laden and his Islamofascism
6 posted on 12/30/2001 6:14:35 PM PST by aristeides
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To: mvpel
The politically correct crowd never looks at the Aztecs from the perspective of the OTHER Indians, the ones who were cruelly enslaved and ritually sacrificed. The Aztecs were evil, and their culture was evil. The Aztecs were weak because they were evil (the other Indians joined the Spaniards and rose up against them).

Just think of the Aztecs as being the "Mexican Taliban"

8 posted on 12/30/2001 6:20:09 PM PST by xm177e2
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To: dennisw
Aztecs were the masters of human sacrifice until A Hitler and company came along.

The Mayans weren't any slouches at human sacrifice, either.

9 posted on 12/30/2001 6:21:20 PM PST by Catspaw
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To: IceCreamSocialist
Perhaps you also find this repugnant...

Jews are supposed to find that repugnant, the whole point is that G-d stops the execution because it is wrong, he's demanding Abraham think for himself. Because Abraham failed the test, G-d stopped speaking to him (G-d spoke to Abraham several times before the attempted sacrifice, but never afterwards).

10 posted on 12/30/2001 6:21:41 PM PST by xm177e2
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To: Cultural Jihad
Little Juan may not be able to read after graduating from public school, but at least he comes away with a whole lot of (unearned) self-respect.

I don't see why Little Juan couldn't be taught to take pride in the Spanish part of his heritage. There are relatively few pure-blood Indians in Mexico. Most of the population is mestizo, i.e., mixed Indian and Spanish blood.

I'm Irish-American. I certainly take no pride in pre-Christian Celtic paganism, among other reasons because pre-Christian Celtic lands were also marred by religious human sacrifice. I only identify with Irish culture after the victory of Christianity, and I would think Mexicans -- who I understand are mainly strongly Catholic -- could do the same.

11 posted on 12/30/2001 6:24:32 PM PST by aristeides
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To: mvpel
Revelations in a letter to the editor of the area "mainstream" daily (by a junior-high student!) of a "lifeboat ethics" minicourse were a major cause of the 2-to-1 defeat of a school-bond referendum in the Greensboro, North Carolina government schools within the past decade.

Know what your kids are being brainwashed with - if you can't get them out of the government schools totally!

East Stroudsburg government-school scandal

12 posted on 12/30/2001 6:27:42 PM PST by glc1173@aol.com
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To: xm177e2
he's demanding Abraham think for himself. Because Abraham failed the test

On the contrary, Abraham passed with flying colors.
13 posted on 12/30/2001 6:31:37 PM PST by Registered
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To: mvpel
7th graders aren't ready for this kind of issue anyways. Plus, it really isn't within the realm of our schools to deal with this kind of stuff in the K-12 years anyways.

Maybe, maybe as a senior, but only in a balanced manner. At that point, the schools should report, the student should decide. And it should be reported not as an alternative to whatever beliefs the student has been given by their parents, but as a simple report of what Aztecs did. It is important to study history, but it is wrong to attach a cause. And, of course, it is wrong to only study it out of context.

14 posted on 12/30/2001 6:34:59 PM PST by meyer
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To: IceCreamSocialist
In the interest of equal time, here is the rest of the story

[22:11] And the angel of the LORD called unto him out of heaven, and said, Abraham, Abraham: and he said, Here am I. [22:12] And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me. [22:13] And Abraham lifted up his eyes, and looked, and behold behind him a ram caught in a thicket by his horns: and Abraham went and took the ram, and offered him up for a burnt offering in the stead of his son. [22:14] And Abraham called the name of that place Jehovahjireh: as it is said to this day, In the mount of the LORD it shall be seen. [22:15] And the angel of the LORD called unto Abraham out of heaven the second time, [22:16] And said, By myself have I sworn, saith the LORD, for because thou hast done this thing, and hast not withheld thy son, thine only son: [22:17] That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies; [22:18] And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice. [22:19] So Abraham returned unto his young men, and they rose up and went together to Beersheba; and Abraham dwelt at Beersheba. [22:20] And it came to pass after these things, that it was told Abraham, saying, Behold, Milcah, she hath also born children unto thy brother Nahor

15 posted on 12/30/2001 6:38:49 PM PST by weegee
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To: mvpel
Students will read two versions about the Aztec Sun, complete a Venn diagram and visit web sites that provide background on Aztec religious beliefs and the practice of human sacrifice. They will write a persuasive letter taking the point of view of an [cannibalistic] Aztec noble or a Spanish missionary and create a cinquain poem.

Actually, this, if done correctly, is a very good approach, much better than just telling kids "It's bad." Having students play Devil's advocate - which is essentially what a persuasive letter is, and offering them a choice of which side to take or making them test the issue from both sides, will make them think more carefully about their views on right and wrong. Playing Devil's advocate as pro-sacrifice does not mean you are sympathetic to human sacrifice, but it is good training and preparation for learning how to counter the viewppoint that such things are acceptable. People who play Devil's advocate learn to predict how the other side will respond in a real debate. They can see things from the other guy's perspective, without falling prey to it. Know thy enemy, as they say. There is no better way to know him than by mentally imagining yourself to be in his shoes.

The ACLU or some Pagans, on the other hand, will get upset because the kids could choose to take the missionary's part. They might complain that this violated their sacred views on separation of church and state, or forbid students from using arguments from the Bible as a missionary would.

The only problem with this comes in if a public school teacher tries to make the two views morally equivalent. Just having kids try to argue either side does not do that, since kids will debate it out and so, discover the truth. Kids aren't as stupid as some people think they are, BTW.

16 posted on 12/30/2001 6:49:44 PM PST by piasa
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To: mvpel
There are of course similarities, and I found one of your article links unobjectionable. However the one by the student shows a great lack of knowledge about catholocism in critical areas. I would hope the teacher points out these corrections.

As others have noted, human sacrifice was also present in the West in some cultures, quite often in matriarchical and land-based cultures. It was also done in the Middle East and as others have pointed out, early Judaism can be seen as stressing a move away from human sacrifice to animal and then, in Christianity to the paschal mystery in Jesus's self-sacrifice.

It's an interesting subject and I applaud comparative religious study at this level. It has to be carefully taught, though, as you point out.

17 posted on 12/30/2001 7:14:11 PM PST by D-fendr
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But Abraham didn't sacrifice his son. That was the end of human sacrifice in that culture. Animal sacrifice ended later as well. In that culture.
18 posted on 12/30/2001 7:24:12 PM PST by RightWhale
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To: mvpel; *Academia list
Story file containing an explanation of the Aztec need for human sacrifice.

I am speechless.

19 posted on 12/30/2001 7:38:23 PM PST by denydenydeny
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To: D-fendr
It's an interesting subject and I applaud comparative religious study at this level.

You state that it would need to be taught carefully but I'm unsure of if it could ever be implemented.

Do we teach that Jesus was crucified as Christians believe (not even getting into resurection or whether He was the Son of God in the classroom) or teach the Muslim belief that he was not killed?

Do we point-by-point counter "Christians believe this about Jesus but Muslims believe that, while some Jews believe...."?

Do we break it down further to "Catholics believe... while Baptists believe... while Presbyterians believe... while Methodists believe..."?

Do we learn about each of the cultural origins of each discipline of Christianity? Do we tie all of this to changes in the role in Judeo-Christian faith in the land of America?

20 posted on 12/30/2001 7:38:35 PM PST by weegee
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