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Planted Lynx Fur In Habitat Survey Upsets Legislators bureacrats {Congress can be so easily led}
Associated Press ^ | Monday, December 31, 2001 | Associated Press

Posted on 12/31/2001 5:03:05 PM PST by expose

Planted Lynx Fur In Habitat Survey Upsets Legislators Associated Press

Monday, December 31, 2001 Lawmakers want an investigation into whether government wildlife biologists planted lynx fur in two national forests to make it appear that the animals were present so that people would be kept out.

The Forest Service and Fish and Wildlife Service are tracking the rare Canadian lynx to determine how many there are and where they live. Data from the four-year survey will be used to determine how best to protect the lynx, which is classified as "threatened."

During the 2000 sampling session, biologists planted three samples of lynx fur on rubbing posts in parts of the Wenatchee and Gifford Pinchot national forests in Washington state, areas not usually home to the lynx. Fur taken from such posts is used to indicate if lynx are in the area.

The seven biologists -- three from the Forest Service, two from the Fish and Wildlife Service and two from the Washington State Department of Fish and Wildlife -- admitted they planted the samples and said they wanted to test whether the lab could identify lynx fur.

The cats, 3 1/2 feet long and 40 pounds at their largest, prey on snowshoe hares. Efforts to protect lynx habitat are underway in 57 forests in 16 states.

None of the seven biologists remains in the lynx survey program. Six were reassigned, and one retired.

House Resources Committee Chairman James V. Hansen (R-Utah) and Rep. Scott McInnis (R-Colo.), chairman of the House forests subcommittee, called that "grossly inadequate punishment given the magnitude of this offense."

They said if it is found that the intent was to skew the study, the biologists should be fired.

"These offenses minimally amount to professional malfeasance of the highest order," the congressman wrote Dec. 18 in a letter to Agriculture Secretary Ann M. Veneman and Interior Secretary Gale A. Norton, whose agencies administer the lynx program.

Some proposed changes to protect the lynx include limiting the thinning of forests to improve habitat for the snowshoe hare and to restrict snowmobiling and some other winter activities. But Hansen and McInnis want a review of all data collected through the program before any land management decisions are made.

Without additional scrutiny of the data, no assurances can be made that the "lynx recovery effort is grounded in science, rather than in the fraudulent behavior of unscrupulous field officers," Hansen and McInnis wrote.

Forest Service Chief Dale N. Bosworth said the fur fiasco is embarrassing but did not threaten the closure of any habitat to the public.

Fish and Wildlife Service spokesman Chris Tollefson said the agency is confident the lynx count has not been tainted.

"We don't believe that there was an intent to submit these results to skew the results of the survey, but it could have compromised the entire survey and forced us to do it all over again," he said.

Hansen and McInnis have asked the General Accounting Office, the investigative arm of Congress, to look into the matter and will convene hearings early next year.


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What is so surprizing about this.

Government bureacrats has always slanted their rports to get their way.

From WACO to Ruby Ridge to clean air act, to U.N. reports.

Congress can be so easily led by these reports

1 posted on 12/31/2001 5:03:16 PM PST by expose
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To: expose
It was attempted fraud and the persons involved should be arrested.
2 posted on 12/31/2001 5:16:57 PM PST by Psycho_Bunny
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To: expose
"Fish and Wildlife Service spokesman Chris Tollefson said the agency is confident the lynx count has not been tainted."

This moron should be the first to go......

3 posted on 12/31/2001 5:17:34 PM PST by yooper
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To: expose
Why can't the U.S. let the Canadians worry about the Canadian lynx, anyway?
4 posted on 12/31/2001 5:19:05 PM PST by Irene Adler
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To: expose
""We don't believe that there was an intent to submit these results to skew the results of the survey..."

Why was it done then, praytell?

5 posted on 12/31/2001 5:20:26 PM PST by Irene Adler
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To: expose
If it comes from government it's either:

1) An absolute, monolithic, bald-faced, total lie.
2) A tissue of lesser lies glued together with snippets of truth.
3) A bizarre mixture of lunacy, accidental truth and lies.

6 posted on 12/31/2001 5:20:36 PM PST by DWSUWF
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To: expose
admitted they planted the samples and said they wanted to test whether the lab could identify lynx fur.

What? They were worried that the previous data might not be accurate?

They said if it is found that the intent was to skew the study
the agency is confident the lynx count has not been tainted

Too late. This study is now junk.
No amount of review of the data will ever prove it is accurate.
Can them! This type of falsification of data should not be tolerated by the scientific community.
May they never find a job in their selected field again.

7 posted on 12/31/2001 5:35:17 PM PST by sistergoldenhair
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To: Queen Elizabeth of Iowa
Now there is a sensible question, why indeed not?

Let me get perhaps less sensible and suggest that these Canadian lynx be stopped at the US border, there's probably more snowshoe hares in Canada anyway, based on there certainly being more snowshoes in Canada.

8 posted on 12/31/2001 5:35:59 PM PST by citizen
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To: expose
They said if it is found that the intent was to skew the study, the biologists should be fired.

"Fired"?
This country is so far down the toilet that I am convinced more than ever that it's hopeless.

9 posted on 12/31/2001 5:36:04 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: DWSUWF
You can rule out "accidental truth".
This is, afterall, merely another heroic defense of mother nature...
at least one of the eco-cult's truisms is that ends justify means.
These yo-yo's are BOTH Eco-fascists and Government employees; what kind of proof do you need?
10 posted on 12/31/2001 5:38:07 PM PST by norton
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To: expose, Carry_Okie, GrandmaC, AuntB, blackie, Texican, kitchen, GeorgeFrmBr00klynPark, marsh2, fo
Well, well, well. About time the AP picked up on this. The Washington Times (only newspaper i read regularly) had a breaking story about this Dec 4th. There have been several followup letters to the editor about all this, and some follow up news stories as well.

Look for Audrey Hudson on the byline.

Deus Vult! 'Pod

11 posted on 12/31/2001 5:39:40 PM PST by sauropod
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To: Lancey Howard, OWK, hosepipe
Correct Analysis. While the country fiddles chasing the bearded one, the totalitarians continue to grasp at our freedoms.
12 posted on 12/31/2001 5:41:41 PM PST by sauropod
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To: sistergoldenhair
They said if it is found that the intent was to skew the study the agency is confident the lynx count has not been tainted

And when Winona Ryder was caught shoplifting, she was only doing research for a future role.

13 posted on 12/31/2001 5:44:18 PM PST by L.N. Smithee
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To: expose
WA F&G biologist confesses
14 posted on 12/31/2001 5:46:51 PM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: Ben Ficklin
thanks for the link
15 posted on 12/31/2001 5:50:26 PM PST by expose
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To: norton
"...what kind of proof do you need?..."

This far exceeds the amount of proof required...

We're at war with this bastards, whether we care to openly acknowledge it or not.

16 posted on 12/31/2001 5:57:29 PM PST by DWSUWF
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To: Queen Elizabeth of Iowa
Why was it done then, praytell?

The seven biologists -- three from the Forest Service, two from the Fish and Wildlife Service and two from the Washington State Department of Fish and Wildlife -- admitted they planted the samples and said they wanted to test whether the lab could identify lynx fur.

Yeah right! And Bill Clinton didn't have sex with Monica Lewinski.

17 posted on 12/31/2001 6:02:13 PM PST by Zon
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To: Queen Elizabeth of Iowa
BTW, I've got a bridge for sale if Chris Tollefson is interested.
18 posted on 12/31/2001 6:03:37 PM PST by Zon
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To: expose; OLDWORD
Phil,

This is an important story. These "scientists" should be fired, not reassigned. Pass this along to RTSH?

Congressman Billybob

Click and bookmark for fun in the morning. FReepers especially invited to call in.

19 posted on 12/31/2001 6:04:55 PM PST by Congressman Billybob
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To: Ben Ficklin;expose
"I didn't trust the results of the lab, so I wasn't going to tell them I was sending in a blind sample. A 1998 study came out with the results of lynx up and down the Cascades, and that didn't seem logical. Most of us doubted it. How could there be so many lynx?"

I got this off of the linked article. Does anyone else have a problem with this statement? The earlier study was wrong because it came back with too many lynx? Wasn't the study supposed to determin how many there were? The lab came back with results we didn't like so we sent in false samples to test the lab????

20 posted on 12/31/2001 6:17:39 PM PST by farmfriend
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To: expose
"Planted Lynx Fur In Habitat Survey"....hmmm, this fox smells a crime. We'll see....
21 posted on 12/31/2001 6:30:56 PM PST by Cindy
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To: farmfriend
Does anyone else have a problem with this statement?

I have a major problem with this statement.
It didn't seem logical? What about collecting the data, performing an appropriate statistically based analysis, and forming a conclusion based on pre-determined standards that include all the data collected?

22 posted on 12/31/2001 6:34:49 PM PST by sistergoldenhair
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To: farmfriend
Logic, reason, and the scientific method have no place in this issue.
23 posted on 12/31/2001 6:35:50 PM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: Cindy
Fox?.....got pics?...:-)
24 posted on 12/31/2001 6:59:01 PM PST by glasseye
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To: Congressman Billybob
they do it all the time
25 posted on 12/31/2001 6:59:16 PM PST by expose
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To: expose
Methinks; low slinks the fink that winks for the lynx!
26 posted on 12/31/2001 7:00:24 PM PST by keithtoo
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To: expose
You should see how they count Manatees in FL, and assign deaths to what cause. Instead of died - other they have died - must have been a boat.

And for the 1000 pound manatees, well, we close all the waters under two feet deep so they won't get hit by a boat. Figure that one out if you can.

tarpon

27 posted on 12/31/2001 7:02:47 PM PST by tarpon_bill
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To: Congressman Billybob
Environmentalists Organizations Exposed
28 posted on 12/31/2001 7:04:34 PM PST by expose
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To: Congressman Billybob
Congress can be so easily led by these reports
29 posted on 12/31/2001 7:05:37 PM PST by expose
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To: Ben Ficklin
The Biggest LIE:Global Warming as the Great Reds' Green Hoax
30 posted on 12/31/2001 7:10:12 PM PST by expose
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To: farmfriend

"I didn't trust the results of the lab, so I wasn't going to tell them I was sending in a blind sample. A 1998 study came out with the results of lynx up and down the Cascades, and that didn't seem logical. Most of us doubted it. How could there be so many lynx?"

I got this off of the linked article. Does anyone else have a problem with this statement? The earlier study was wrong because it came back with too many lynx? Wasn't the study supposed to determin how many there were? The lab came back with results we didn't like so we sent in false samples to test the lab????

I don't get it. A previous study says there are "lynx up & down the Cascades", the scientists are skeptical of this claim - in exactly the same way that many people here are - so this time they send in control samples to test whether the lab really knows what they're doing! Friends, that's good scientific procedure! The only thing they did "wrong" was not getting permission from their superiors. Then word gets out to the press - garbled, it turns out - and the story mutates into "SCIENTISTS FAKE LYNX DATA TO TRY AND SHUT DOWN THE FORESTS!" Incredible.
31 posted on 12/31/2001 7:15:04 PM PST by jennyp
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To: expose
UPSET? And they'll huff and they'll puff and they won't even blow down the straw house. Does anyone think anything will be done about this?
32 posted on 12/31/2001 7:24:09 PM PST by FreePaul
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To: jennyp
I know your statement is a joke right? Your trying to be sarcastic aren't you? If your not this has got to be the dumbest reasoning ever. As if you can't test lynx hairs without having to plant them. There are other easier means of testing the methods used and it sure doesn't entail fooling anyone.
33 posted on 12/31/2001 7:28:09 PM PST by Sigarmed
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To: jennyp
What I understood they DID WRONG.....was PLANT lynx furs in the forest pretending it was there all on its very own. That's what has caused all the furor.....NOT that the lab was being tested, which is what they are now trying to say to cover up what they did.
34 posted on 12/31/2001 7:40:59 PM PST by goodnesswins
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To: Psycho_Bunny
Bunny, you are right, it is fraud, but it was committed (and then exposed) not attempted. The government is going to use the study, and the perps have kept their jobs and moved to another position to do it again for, say kangaroo rats, or some other worthless vermin.

The BS excuse that they were "testing" the labs won't fly as they could have sent samples from Lynx and other similar non-Lynx cats in a single blind test. It wasn't necessary to go into the field to test the lab. Ironic that the lab was so good that the lab nailed the samples as from a ringer animal already in the custody of these "biologists".

35 posted on 12/31/2001 7:41:14 PM PST by Navy Patriot
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To: jennyp
Please see post #35.
36 posted on 12/31/2001 7:44:03 PM PST by Navy Patriot
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To: jennyp
"I don't get it.

I think that you get it, they got caught and made up a cute little story. - There's no such thing as an honest environmentalist.

We all know how honest you are though jenny; like you would never come down on the side of a fellow psuedo-sci-groupie, would you?

37 posted on 12/31/2001 7:45:43 PM PST by editor-surveyor
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To: expose
This article from the Medford OR paper mentions that of the 7 involved in the hoax, one has retired and six have been tranferred.

That one has retired is a significant departure from earlier stories. The earlier stories implied that all 7 were low level employees but if one is of, or close to, retirement age, that would imply an advanced position in the orginization.

38 posted on 12/31/2001 7:46:25 PM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: Congressman Billybob,Psycho_Bunny,yooper,Queen Elizabeth of Iowa,DWSUWF,sistergoldenhair,citizen,
May i ask, how do you think the Terrorists got to be 503C status???

Congress give the Terrorists the 503C status that how

you don't hear no one Talking about that do you!!!

Congress can be so easily led by these reports


39 posted on 12/31/2001 7:47:40 PM PST by expose
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40 posted on 12/31/2001 7:48:39 PM PST by expose
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To: dandelion
bump
41 posted on 12/31/2001 7:58:44 PM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: Ben Ficklin
I think that linked article from the Seattle Times is just an attempt to save-face for the scientists... this has obviously gotten too mixed up to make sense of.

Which makes it glaringly apparent that environmental scientists and organizations will never be known for following credible science. With messes & scandals like this one, it is obvious that you can never trust anything they say.

42 posted on 12/31/2001 8:03:32 PM PST by RobertFrost
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To: RobertFrost
"just an attempt to save-face for the scientists..."

Sorry, but they're not scientists, they're liars.

43 posted on 12/31/2001 8:06:05 PM PST by editor-surveyor
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To: expose
Why are they not fired right now?
44 posted on 12/31/2001 8:06:38 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: RobertFrost
Environmental scientists will do anythings for there Agenda
45 posted on 12/31/2001 8:07:24 PM PST by expose
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To: MissAmericanPie
The U.N and Treaties
46 posted on 12/31/2001 8:09:00 PM PST by expose
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To: MissAmericanPie
A package of 34 treaties, all of which were ratified by a show of hands -- no recorded vote.
47 posted on 12/31/2001 8:12:12 PM PST by expose
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To: expose
One reason the media would want to keep the lid on this is that there's a gazillion out-of-work lumberjacks (and some severely depressed regional economies) across the west due to decades of these junk science frauds. A million or so displaced and extremely irate Americans might have a few cross words for them.

The fact that so many little people have lost jobs, homes, or even their families, is insignificant to these statist pukes. It would do them good to spend a few hours explaining to some of those affected (preferably in a closed room) just how their fraudulent actions are for the common good.

48 posted on 12/31/2001 8:19:10 PM PST by meadsjn
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To: expose
"These offenses minimally amount to professional malfeasance of the highest order,"

This is probably the same tactic used by the Dep't of Fish and Game that trespassed on that California farmer's land and ostensibly "FOUND"some bones that they CLAIMED were those of some stupid rare kangaroo rat. They penalized that poor farmer worse than if he had killed a bunch of people!

I'll bet that if there were any such bones there, they were planted by the same type of gubmn't crooks!

49 posted on 12/31/2001 8:21:12 PM PST by nightdriver
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To: expose
The seven biologists -- three from the Forest Service, two from the Fish and Wildlife Service and two from the Washington State Department of Fish and Wildlife

Just wanted to remind you Sheep out there, that you just gave these five "biologists" a five percent pay raise, effective today (1/1/02). Congratulations, suckers.

50 posted on 12/31/2001 8:26:52 PM PST by jackbill
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