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Outside the Catholic Church there is no salvation??
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Posted on 01/02/2002 1:15:38 PM PST by Theresa

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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
It is same purpose as this web site I just found. It is a Protestant site that reminds me a lot of the Catholic Stations of the Cross. You should visit it you will like it a lot!!

http://members.tripod.com/~C_Verge/Easter/easter.html

And here is a Catholic site with the traditional Stations of the Cross.

http://www.catholic.org/prayer/station.html

About the grace. Oh gosh let's not go there. Catholics and Protestants have different views on grace too. Prayer helps us all. I know we agree on that! Someday we need to do a thread on all the things we agree on.

341 posted on 01/07/2002 1:50:35 PM PST by Theresa
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To: Theresa
I am really not trying to be atgonistic here, will you answer me one question, please. Have you read each of these verses in context? I went thru the first couple, and in context none of them are using the word Father as catholics do when addressing a priest. Could you please answer my question? Thanks.

Becky

342 posted on 01/07/2002 1:51:36 PM PST by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
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To: Jeff Gordon
#340

Agreed:)

Becky

343 posted on 01/07/2002 1:52:43 PM PST by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
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To: Theresa
It is same purpose as this web site I just found.

Either I don't understand your answer or you didn't understand the question, which is probably my fault:) What is the purpose of participating in the service that is called the stations of the cross?

On a thread about what we all agree on. I saw one just today, but I can't remember the title, but if I see it again I will bump it to you. The article was 99.9% right:)IMO.

Becky

344 posted on 01/07/2002 1:59:59 PM PST by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
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To: Theresa
I said: I pray to Jesus and only Jesus. He intercedes to God on our behalf - and I need no one, including the Mother of Christ to get His ear.

you said: Well then you should never ask anyone to pray to Jesus for you. Because if you do, you are using other people to get His ear.

Anyone can pray to Jesus for anything - including other people - however I think you already knew that and were just twisting the comment to inflame me- perhaps I misunderstood you.

To clarify, I dont have to pray to Mary, who will then whisper in the ear of Jesus on my behalf. I can pray directly to Him and He hears me. You are welcome to do otherwise. My point was, anyone can pray directly to Jesus, without the aid of the Blessed Virgin Mother.

May He richly bless you.

345 posted on 01/07/2002 2:57:14 PM PST by Revelation 911
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To: Theresa
I will add, that I do not hate Catholics. I have posted several pro-Cath articles here and especially enjoy the encyclicals as sound theology, differing only on the Latin mass, and the issue previously discussed. I particularly relish the stance on human life. regards
346 posted on 01/07/2002 3:17:28 PM PST by Revelation 911
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To: DallasDeb
Roman Catholics believe devout Muslims are saved.????

Do you mean Roman Catholics believe Osama and the all murderous terrorist are going to be saved? After all they (terrorist) must be very devout Muslims to commit suicide in order to kill others.
Unless you are talking about a special kind o "Catholics" very influential in US who defend and promote homosexuality, are openly pro-death, and at the same time receive holy communion every day, not to mention they elected Clinton, mainly cause their degenerate priests told them to do so.

347 posted on 01/07/2002 3:47:41 PM PST by Anticommie
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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
"Necromancer" From a Greek word meaning to divine with the dead; one who tries to cmmunicate with the dead."

Are you a Seventh Day Adventist? Just tell me now because I don't want to waste my energy. Anyway Mary is not dead. She is has eternal life in heaven with Jesus. And Catholics are taugh by the Catholic Church not to consult with fortune tellers and the like. From the Catechism of the Catholic Church:

"All forms of divination are to be rejected: recourse to Satan or demons, conjuring up the dead or other practices falsely supposed to "unveil" the future. Consulting horoscopes, astrology, palm reading, interpretation of omens and lots, the phenomena of clairvoyance, and recourse to mediums all conceal a desire for power over time, history, and, in the last analysis, other human beings, as well as a wish to conciliate hidden powers. They contradict the honor, respect, and loving fear that we owe to God alone." (Catechism, #2116)

348 posted on 01/07/2002 3:59:53 PM PST by Theresa
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To: Theresa
Are you a Seventh Day Adventist? Just tell me now because I don't want to waste my energy. Anyway Mary is not dead.

No I am not a Seventh Day Adventist, just a Fundamental Bible Believer:)

Why would you be wasting energy talking to one?

Do you have scripture to back up your statement about Mary?

Becky

349 posted on 01/07/2002 4:08:06 PM PST by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
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To: Theresa
I do not presume to understand everything in the bible. I guess you do.

I do! or at least I can find out whenever I need to. I happen to be acquainted with the author. If you would like to know Him too, I believe Becky could introduce you. I do not mean this to be either rude or presumptuous, but your response suggests to me, you have not really met Him yet.

Hank

350 posted on 01/07/2002 4:28:18 PM PST by Hank Kerchief
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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
"I went thru the first couple, and in context none of them are using the word Father as catholics do when addressing a priest. "

Okay what is your impression of the context in which Catholic call priests father? And we don't always call priests father. You can call them by their first name if you want to. Most don't mind. They don't call each other father all the time. They call each other by their first names. It's not a command to call a priest father. It's not a sin if you don't. It's not a sin if you do.

The whole thing is a tempest in a teapot.

351 posted on 01/07/2002 4:30:27 PM PST by Theresa
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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
"I do have faith that as I study God's word the HS will show me what I need to know. It's funny how I can read over a passage numerous times and see no significant message for me in it, that one day bam it has special meaning that works in my life at that moment. "

Wow! I sure would not argue with this. I was not referring to seeking and finding inspiration as private interpretation.

352 posted on 01/07/2002 4:54:13 PM PST by Theresa
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To: Revelation 911
"My point was, anyone can pray directly to Jesus, without the aid of the Blessed Virgin Mother. "

I see your point and we agree.

353 posted on 01/07/2002 4:56:32 PM PST by Theresa
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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
"What is the purpose of participating in the service that is called the stations of the cross?"

The purpose to praise and worship Christ.

354 posted on 01/07/2002 5:03:06 PM PST by Theresa
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To: My2Cents
Since you like Eph. try 4:23.

And for extra credit, to make the point that you must "live" as you "believe", try:
John 3:5,
Titus 3:5,
I Cor 9:27,
Hebrews 10:26,
Philippians 2:12,
2 Cor 5:10,
Rom 2:6, 11:22, 5.2, 8:24,
Col 2:23.

355 posted on 01/07/2002 5:11:45 PM PST by GlesenerL
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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
We believe that priests share in the fatherhood of God. Here is something from the catechism: "Through the ordained ministry, especially that of bishops and priests, the presence of Christ as head of the church is made visible in the midst of the community of believers. In the beautiful expression of St. Ignatius of Antioch, the bishop is typos tou Patros: he is like the living image of God the Father."

Scripture is loaded with people calling others "Father", here is a scripture verse by St. Paul "For this cause I bow my knees to the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, of whom all paternity in heaven and earth is named" (Eph. 3, 14-15)

The priesthood is a spiritual fatherhood.

356 posted on 01/07/2002 5:12:56 PM PST by Cap'n Crunch
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To: Revelation 911
"I will add, that I do not hate Catholics. I have posted several pro-Cath articles here and especially enjoy the encyclicals as sound theology, differing only on the Latin mass, and the issue previously discussed. I particularly relish the stance on human life. regards"

Oh I never thought you hated Catholics. I find a lot of inspiration in Protestant devotions. I especially like many of the Protestant hymns and songs. One of my very favorites is Lord of the Dance. It is an old Shaker song I believe.

357 posted on 01/07/2002 5:14:20 PM PST by Theresa
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To: Theresa
Hello!

Thanks for jumping in!

358 posted on 01/07/2002 5:14:20 PM PST by Cap'n Crunch
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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
"Why would you be wasting energy talking to one? "

Oh gosh LOL! I spent three months debating one. It would be waste of energy for a Baptist or a Methodist to debate one too. You just have to have gone through it to know what I am talking about.

359 posted on 01/07/2002 5:19:27 PM PST by Theresa
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To: Theresa
Lord of the Dance, at the cyberhymnal site:
http://www.cyberhymnal.org/htm/l/o/r/lordoftd.htm
360 posted on 01/07/2002 5:19:48 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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