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How Your Priest Shuts Out the Pope and Catechism
Traditional Catholic Reflections & Reports ^ | 01/03/02 | Stephen Hand, editor TCRNews.com

Posted on 01/03/2002 6:26:46 AM PST by cathway

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1 posted on 01/03/2002 6:26:47 AM PST by cathway
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St. Paul said, "We preach not ourselves but Christ and Him Crucified". ...

This is why there are Protestants.

2 posted on 01/03/2002 7:09:49 AM PST by topcat54
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St. Paul said, "We preach not ourselves but Christ and Him Crucified". ...

This is why there are Protestants.

Actually, most Protestants I know get REALLY MAD when Catholic art or a necklace depicts Christ crucified upon the cross.

3 posted on 01/03/2002 7:14:29 AM PST by Notwithstanding
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To: cathway; catholic_list; religion; christian_list; patent; onyx; jmj333; judith anne; antoninus...
bump
4 posted on 01/03/2002 7:18:10 AM PST by Notwithstanding
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To: cathway
Very good article, but ...and Rome is not well obeyed.

Rome rarely, if ever, chastizes its Bishops. When the Church is failing, the man at the top has to take the responsibility.

5 posted on 01/03/2002 7:20:52 AM PST by Orual
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To: cathway
Please visit the Diocese of Arlington, Virginia. You may find it to be a breath of fresh air.

AB

6 posted on 01/03/2002 7:27:03 AM PST by ArrogantBustard
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To: ArrogantBustard
Bishop Loverde's filling Bishop Keating's shoes admirably.

Labor Day's a long way off, but are you going to the Fairfax St. Mary's picnic? Best BBQ chicken in town (the secret ingredient is whiskey).

7 posted on 01/03/2002 7:32:40 AM PST by nina0113
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I almost never plan that far ahead...
8 posted on 01/03/2002 7:45:40 AM PST by ArrogantBustard
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To: silmaril
A bump for you, if I may take that liberty.

patent

9 posted on 01/03/2002 7:47:44 AM PST by patent
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To: father_elijah; Antoninus; aposiopetic; Salvation; ELS; nina0113; Steve0113; el_chupacabra...
Bumping. Let me know if you want on or off the list. Click my screen name for a description.

patent

10 posted on 01/03/2002 7:48:35 AM PST by patent
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To: Notwithstanding
Actually, most Protestants I know get REALLY MAD when Catholic art or a necklace depicts Christ crucified upon the cross.

Therefore from now on we recognize no one according to the flesh; even though we have known Christ according to the flesh, yet now we know Him in this way no longer. [IICor 5:16]

I don't get really mad (or mad at all, for that matter), it's just a doctrinal disagreement I suppose. This is why protestants are generally not big on statues/statuettes and the like.

11 posted on 01/03/2002 7:48:53 AM PST by Egg
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To: patent
What is bumping? Getting rid of an article?
12 posted on 01/03/2002 7:57:17 AM PST by cathway
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>>>What is bumping? Getting rid of an article?

The only way to get rid of an article is to hit the abuse button and ask one of the moderaters to pull it. They may or may not do so, depending on your reasons for asking, etc.

The forum has a page that lists the latests posts. Every time someone replies to an article it goes to the top of that list. Thus, when I replied, I bumped your article to the top of that list. This is why we use the the terms bump and bumping when we don't really have anything intelligent to say, but want others who take a look at that list to see this post.

Also, you will note that there are a couple names typed into the "to" box. By putting their names in there they will see this article when they do their self search, and if interested they will come read it. I keep a list of names for posters who at one point made the mistake of asking to be on my list, and I bump them to various articles.

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13 posted on 01/03/2002 8:04:35 AM PST by patent
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Ah! Thanks for the information.
14 posted on 01/03/2002 8:07:14 AM PST by cathway
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To: Notwithstanding
"Actually, most Protestants I know get REALLY MAD when Catholic art or a necklace depicts Christ crucified upon the cross."

Why?

15 posted on 01/03/2002 8:16:53 AM PST by Osprey
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To: cathway; *Catholic_list; patent; notwithstanding; JMJ333; Aunt Polgara; AgThorn; IM2Phat4U...
bumping is actually a compliment at times, meaning the person posting the bump wants the thread to go back up to the top of the "comments" page so others reading the comments page will see the thread and read it.

If one desires another Freeper to read the thread, then they include that Freeper's screen name in the "to:" column when they post the comment. This is usually called a "ping"

Good article by Hand. Thank you for posting it.

"truce" bump to my own ping list.

Lets work together defending the faith, cathway. My apologies for our differences on the other thread recently.

Sincerely,

--proud2brc

16 posted on 01/03/2002 8:17:00 AM PST by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Orual
Very good article, but ...and Rome is not well obeyed.

Rome rarely, if ever, chastizes its Bishops. When the Church is failing, the man at the top has to take the responsibility.

The irony here is that RCs often criticize Protestants for having thousands of denominations and differing doctrines, but the practical result of the current RC policy of no sanctions for erring bishops and priests is that every priest becomes pope to his congregation.

It's practical protestantism.

17 posted on 01/03/2002 8:50:58 AM PST by topcat54
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To: Notwithstanding
Actually, most Protestants I know get REALLY MAD when Catholic art or a necklace depicts Christ crucified upon the cross.

It's the form of "art" we disagree with, not the subject of the art.

Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image ...

18 posted on 01/03/2002 8:56:29 AM PST by topcat54
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Catholic priests cant even obey the commandment "Thou shalt keep your hands off the altar boys"
19 posted on 01/03/2002 9:05:17 AM PST by TexanAmerican
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To: cathway
The Real Presence of Jesus in the consecrated species then was allowed to fade more and more even as the presence of Christ in "the people" was said to have also been rediscovered, and a new emphasis on the "priesthood of all" believers was separated from its traditional theological Catholic context and extolled in almost Lutheran tones. Indeed many priests and theologians suggested more and more that it was the celebrating congregation which "does the eucharistic action" (Bernard Cooke, The Future of the Eucharist Paulist Press, 1997 p.32).
IMO, the greatest danger to Catholicism is the tacit denegration of the Eucharist from being the life-giving, central sign of our faith (cf. 1Cor10:17) -- or, to use the words of the Catechism of the Catholic Church at #1327, "the sum and summary of our faith" -- to being an empty symbol. Reforms such as the removal of the tabernacle from the center of the altar to a dark, lateral niche send the wrong message about the centrality of the Eucharist to the life of the Church.

I'm not sure if I need to have the Catechism explicated during the homily, but I definitely agree that the bishops, priests and deacons should consult it frequently while preparing their homilies. Personally, I'd prefer a more substantial profession of faith in connection with the Eucharist that goes beyond the perfunctory "Christ has died, Christ is risen, Christ will come again." Perhaps a recitation after every communion based on something like Jn6:48-51, 53-58:
I am the bread of life. Your forefathers ate the manna in the desert, yet they died. But here is the bread that comes down from heaven, which a man may eat and not die. I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in him. Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me. This is the bread that came down from heaven. Your forefathers ate manna and died, but he who feeds on this bread will live forever.
Just a thought.
20 posted on 01/03/2002 9:08:56 AM PST by eastsider
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