Posted on 01/04/2002 10:01:12 PM PST by Vigilant1
FREE REPUBLIC ADMITS IT IS PRO-WAR AND CENSORS ALL POSTS NOT IN ACCORD WITH US GOVERNMENT PROPAGANDA
NOW MAKING THE ROUNDS ON THE NET. Cited under "fair use" for educational purposes.
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Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 02:50:39 -0800
From: "Jim Robinson"
Organization: Free Republic
To: "Larry McDonald"
Subject: Re: What Are You Scared Of?
Those who are coming in here to post a bunch of propaganda to smear Bush or otherwise harm the war effort are going to be deleted.
I guess you missed my posts where I said that I am 100% behind our President and the war. I don't care if it's Ron Paul, Larry McDonald, or the head of the John Birch Society himself. I do not want it on FR. And I do not want a bunch of 40 year old conspiracy crap. Not interested.
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There you have it. Free Republic is not an objective reporter of the facts but a blatent supporter of the Bush administrations' war for oil, and by Jim Robinson's own admission.
In another post, Jim states...
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Jim Robinson (Free Republic)
by JIM ROBINSON in This thread
Lots of grumbling lately about deleted posts. Well, my friends, the simple truth is the game has changed. We are now at war.
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Of course, Jim Robinson has it wrong. We're not at war. Only Congress can state otherwise and there has been no formal declaration of war by anyone. Bush hasn't gone to Congress to ask for such a declaration because that would restore Congress to its role in the balance of powers doctrine on which the nation was founded. Bush has no intention of allowing Congress to second-guess him, and indeed Bush has flat out declared that he will not bother informing Congress of intelligence operations from this point forward as is required by law.
Yes, we have been attacked, but it's not really known by whom. Even the FBI admits the IDs on which they based their accusations were faked using the stolen identities of middle eastern Arabs, some of whom have since turned up alive. From this it should be obvious that we cannot really know who was on those planes, only who we are supposed to blame.
But Jim Robinson isn't interested in these facts. He's spiked threads pointing out that the FBI admitted the IDs used by the hijackers were phony. Jim Robinson has spiked threads about how some of the accused hijackers have turned up alive. Jim Robinson has spiked many of the threads dealing with the Israeli spy scandal and the fact that the US has classified evidence linking some of the arrested Israeli spies with the events of 9/11. Jim Robinson has spiked threads suggestng that Bush has exceeed his constitutional authority. Jim Robinson will tolerate no doubts about the righteousness of Bush's war for oil.
But more than that, Jim Robinson displays an arrogant assumption that the presence of a war justifies anything. He argues that we should get behind the government because (he claims) there is a war. But translate that to Germany of 1939. Was it the right thing for the German people to unquestioningly back Hitler because there was a war on? Or would the German people (and the world) have been better served taking a pause and a closer look at just what the government was doing? And if Germany should have examined their government's claims a lot closer, then how can we not do the same now?
Free Republic has shown its true colors. Jim is "not interested" in facts, only in selling Bush's wars. Free Republic isn't about news any more, only about propaganda.
3. Have shills comment one after the other to create an illusion of agreement on subjects most conservatives would not agree with.
4. Encourage anything that maintains the stereotype liberals have of conservatives. ( haters, prejudiced etc. -- if real freepers don't live up to the stereotype, put in shills to maintain it)
5. Encourage "feelings" not rational thought.
6. Bash Mexican/Islam/Arab/Blacks etc.
Boy you are right on the money. I've done a lot of time in rooms with controversial topics, and with Moderators who have been doing this for 4 or 5 years. These brave people, like Jim Robinson, who only desire to serve up the truth, often get harassed and terrorized on a personal level, by hackers and opponents of the Truth.
Their boards are regularly infiltrated by "shills". Often when forums are attacked, moderators get busy explaining the psychology and MO's of these "groups" of disruptors ask that posters refrain from responding.
And so, we then begin to see patterns, insightful, interesting articles on hot topics get trashed on the 2nd or 3rd post. Hardly time for the readers to digest and formulate a concise, meaningful reply. They want to interfere and intimidate those who might agree with possibly only a paragraph, or one statement of the post.
In good debate, one has to evaluate each statement for it's own worth. These vermin give away their close-mindedness when they, in the blink of an eye, disagree with each and every point that was made on whatever subject commented on.
And it also becomes obvious when "they" are having conversations with each other. They are nothing more than bullies that have found other bullies. Disinformation agents.
They sure get around.
They try to pit one side against the other in discussions that are not 2-SIDED. Getting to the truth is like making a good stew. Everyone uses different ingredients and methods. Some are valid and successful, some are not. If we just take the good and leave the rest, and become more informed, perhaps we can change someones mind or change or own in the process.
Many thanks to the people who devote all their time to keep their doors open for us.
(This post was written before this thread was started. I was hoping I would find another place to put it!) .
Arator doesn't sit back in a corner like you playing with yourself making snide comments about folks that you don't agree with. Arator tells his points eloquently.
LOL. I understand your ambivalence. Cowering conformity makes for a uniformly textured and bland gruel of a forum. Provocative (even if hated) posters like Rivero (and myself?) add spice and variety to the mix, transforming a thin and tasteless gruel of a forum into a hearty and satisfying stew, boiling hot with lively and interesting debate.
That's what the FR of old was like and it was a most intoxicating brew. It was compelling. Even irresistable.
I find the new FR are to be a dull dish indeed by comparison. It is now all too often repelling. And quite resistable.
Really? Who are the top 10?
Anyone else?
Michael Rivero once posted that I and another FReeper were literally conspiring by each posting an AP article about Pat Buchanan....he made a total vanity post about it and accused us of all sorts of nonsense - like we were 'behind the scenes' and that we 'planned' the threads. I don't remember if he 'named' us or not but I and the other person were the only people who posted the type of article he was 'talking' about! And....I like Pat!
Some of his posts were err, interesting but I certainly hope you didn't take them all seriously. And people who would lie and/or make up stories about conspiracys are not "valuable assets". He went WAY over the line after September 11th.
Yes, but comedy is so subjective. :-)
It is called is called assumption
I assume Arafat got banned?
If they can't stand the heat in the kitchen - there is a door out - and besides, this is Jim's site and he can have whatever he wants!! If they don't like it - they can go build their own site!!
You lucky dog!
Well, whether he did or not is not possible for me to judge for myself, as all his posts have been nuked.
I know this, though: Rivero was dead right about Waco, OKC, TWA 800, etc. He was an asset in the fight to expose the evils done by the federal government under Clinton.
I for one do not believe that the capacity of the federal government to do wicked things and lie about them, to manipulate the populous with dramatic events, and to play sick politics with the lives of innocents has diminished one wit under Bush. As such, we must remain ever vigilent. We still need Riveros to probe and ask the hard questions, even if they sometimes come up with answers we can't fully endorse of agree with. Maybe we need them now more than ever because of the tendency -- just like Democrats were with Clinton -- for Republicans to be anesthetized and oblivious to what evils are done when their own are in charge.
You really need to get a job!
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It's getting too late
Is there ANY truth to this charge? Don't flame me, I'm just curious. I've not seen this charge be made and simply want to know if there's ANYTHING true about it? "Some have turned up alive"?? Seems to me that would be pretty big news...
And to the original writer of this article...Blow me. Compare President Bush to Hitler in my presence, and I'll kick your ass. Idiot.
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