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(Breaking:Governor)Owens Calls for Columbine Grand Jury (Students "Gunned By" Swat,+KleboldAutopsy)
Rocky Mountain News ^ | Karen Abbott , Kevin Vaughan, John Sanko and Charlie Brennan

Posted on 01/05/2002 12:26:27 PM PST by t-shirt

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Pray for justice and pray this coverup with be stopped.

God Bless these families for perservering and staying the course in their courage quest for the truth and justice.

1 posted on 01/05/2002 12:26:27 PM PST by t-shirt
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To: t-shirt
Investigation? How dare these little people interfere with our sacred LEO's Krispy Kreme time?
2 posted on 01/05/2002 12:28:42 PM PST by ambrose
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To: archy;freedom007;DoughtyOne;Angelique;Freeper;Lurker;Patriot76;Alamo-Girl;expose;ChaseR
All the Above Denver Post & Rocky Mountain Stories in the report above were published January 4, 2001.
3 posted on 01/05/2002 12:29:12 PM PST by t-shirt
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Weren't there witnesses who saw an adult male in a black trenchcoat enter the school just before the shooting started?
4 posted on 01/05/2002 12:31:57 PM PST by copycat
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To: ambrose;ALL;B4Ranch;it'salmosttolate;Snow Bunny;Victoria Delsoul;RLK;Judge Parker;Amerika...
"The four-page ruling by District Judge R. Brooke Jackson found that publication of details of Klebold's autopsy would offend a significant portion of the population in the Denver area."
From the Autopsy Story above

Someone tell me please:
How in the hell does worrying above offending people override the need to get justice for these people murdered in these case?

5 posted on 01/05/2002 12:33:33 PM PST by t-shirt
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To: t-shirt
You have never heard of DEEEEEEEEEP pockets. The shooters family does not have any money for the (GRIEVING FAMILIES).If he has a tape that showes that the cops lied turn a copy over to the people who have to call a grand jury.
6 posted on 01/05/2002 12:36:29 PM PST by cksharks
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To: t-shirt
If it wasn't for the actions of Klebold and Harris, 13 people would have not lost their lives that day. Many on FR will try to make this into some cop bashing and govt. conspiracy thread. But the ultimate blame belongs to Klebold and Harris, IMHO.
7 posted on 01/05/2002 12:38:43 PM PST by Dane
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To: cksharks
Both the shooters families were fairly well off.

(And the government is far more to blame for what happened that day than the parents anyway.)

But that is not the point ---this is not about getting some money!

Who the hell is worried about money when your child is murdered ???

It's about getting to the truth and getting justice.

8 posted on 01/05/2002 12:40:18 PM PST by t-shirt
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To: t-shirt
Same grand jury as the one investigating the Jon Benet murder??
9 posted on 01/05/2002 12:44:18 PM PST by OldFriend
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To: t-shirt
bump for later reading.
10 posted on 01/05/2002 12:45:08 PM PST by tomakaze
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To: t-shirt
Children who need not have died were murdered when law enforcement personnel stood outside of Columbine High School with their MP5's and shotguns stuck up their as*es rather than going into the building, risking their lifes for the children, and taking out Harris and Klebold.

As long as I live, I will not forget the images of the cops standing outside the building in groups, hiding behind vehicles, not one of them rushing inside to aid the children - A GRAPHIC PICTURE OF COWARDICE.

Yes, a grand jury to investigate the lack of action by law enforcement would be in order.

11 posted on 01/05/2002 12:45:11 PM PST by ASTM366
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(And the government is far more to blame for what happened that day than the parents anyway.)

Huh? It was those punks Klebold and Harris who decided to go on a murder spree.

Like I stated before, the ultimate blame belongs to them.

12 posted on 01/05/2002 12:45:11 PM PST by Dane
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What the hell are you talking about murder. Aare you saying that the cop shot the kid ion the back just for the hell of it. If they show that the cop shot the kid it would be at best accidental. But still worth a hell of alot of money to the families.
13 posted on 01/05/2002 12:51:31 PM PST by cksharks
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I agree.
14 posted on 01/05/2002 12:58:58 PM PST by rwfromkansas
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To: ALL;The Documentary Lady;jedediah smith;dennisw;MadAsHell;FormerLurker;jeremiah;
Columbine Probe; Columbine fatality will get outside investigation

Former Columbine Student Says Classes Caused Her Suicide Attempt (Columbine Killers Were Steeped in 'Death Awareness' Education)

Living in Littleton: Columbine, Christians and Cops (A Columbine Father's Opinion)

Anti-gun tie to Columbine???

What Really Happened At Columbine?

Breaking: Columbine Victim Killed by Sheriff Dept. Bullet-Says Lawsuit! Did Government Have a Hand ?
This story this story is from April 2000
...Justice can be so slow when corruption and coverup is in play...

Murder By Gun Control

Just say yes to Ritalin! Parents are being pressured by schools to medicate their kids -- or else.

Columbine Killers Hated Christians, Jesus

15 posted on 01/05/2002 12:59:09 PM PST by t-shirt
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Pray for justice and pray this coverup with be stopped.

2002 bump and thanks

16 posted on 01/05/2002 12:59:51 PM PST by Dust in the Wind
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What the hell are you talking about murder. Aare you saying that the cop shot the kid ion the back just for the hell of it. If they show that the cop shot the kid it would be at best accidental. But still worth a hell of alot of money to the families.

And of course the police coverup of their own incompetence, to include intimidation of witnesses and purjury, would still be felony criminal conspiracy and official misconduct- and very likely also constitutes racketeering under Colorado state law, another feliony offense.

17 posted on 01/05/2002 1:00:37 PM PST by archy
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Weren't there witnesses who saw an adult male in a black trenchcoat enter the school just before the shooting started?

This is not the official sanitized version. No speculation allowed. It was the guns, pure and simple. The guns, the guns, the guns.

18 posted on 01/05/2002 1:06:05 PM PST by Osinski
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To: archy;t-shirt
Prediction: 2002: No LEO will serve prison time for anything brought out in this investigation. A minimum of $3 million dollars will be spent during this investigation.
19 posted on 01/05/2002 1:07:20 PM PST by B4Ranch
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I never said that, I said children were murdered in this case. And there is a lot of evidence that some of children were killed by Swat Team. The Grand jury can decide who killed or murdered who and who lied and should be indicted for it .

For all I know some of the kids may have been killed by one or more members of the team and they decided to kill off a witness or two or whatever who saw it. I don't know what happened here but there seems to be alot of coverup and lying by the law enforcement envolved. And there also seems to have been a lot of cowardice by law enforcement that went on that day. Also it is very apparent that the local law enforcement and the feds had prior knowledge that these shooting/murders were going to occur that takes extreme evil in my opinion to allow.

20 posted on 01/05/2002 1:07:49 PM PST by t-shirt
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Dylan and Kleybold may indeed hold the 'ultimate blame' as you say, but that certainly doesn't exonerate the cops if they were guilty of wrongdoing as well.

It's long past time for a Grand Jury to look into this thing.

If some cops lied or covered up facts, that belong in the slammer for a long, long time. Wouldn't you agree?

L

21 posted on 01/05/2002 1:09:14 PM PST by Lurker
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To: t-shirt
bttt
22 posted on 01/05/2002 1:13:51 PM PST by TigersEye
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Most likely to happen is any implicated LEO will get an early "stress disability" retirement, complete with a fat pension!
23 posted on 01/05/2002 1:18:37 PM PST by ambrose
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And right on cue, comes the LEO-Uber-Alles chorus line!

In Dane's world, LEO's NEVER screw up, commit crimes, or are in any way responsible for their actions, because they have a hard job, and the OTHER guy is to blame.

Name and badge # Dane, name and badge #...still waiting.

24 posted on 01/05/2002 1:22:03 PM PST by Itzlzha
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To: Dane, t-shirt
nuts... absolutely nuts.

so you think the original murderers... killed more innocents using the cops gun, two or three hours after they were already dead? stastist worship at its finest.

The governor suspects the cops are culpable... but he too is wrong? The parents of the innocents claim to have evidence that other judicial branch "officers of the court" think may indicate police culpability.. but you don't want it investigated, or prosecuted even if the cop acted outside the law? or was in a medication induced state when he KILLED the innocent kid(s)?

Cops are as holy as god... because YOU think so??? even when the elected officials of the people believe a grand jury is definitely in order... those officials including the governor of the state for chrissakes? And he is wrong too, right?

My cop friends think there is a stink... and they are probably wrong too... after all, dane says its all about the two perps who were long dead when the innocent kid(s) were shot with police only ordnance... The original "event" was long over... but hell, it was the dead perps fault... they probably were responsible for every mistake cops made all day, everywhere that day, because they "upset" the leos to begin with. Officer so and so beat the hell out of his wife later that day... the earlier event in columbine caused him "post traumatic stress" that was kleibold and harris' fault. ridiculous but that is exactly where such specious reasoning leads.

I THINK the truth is: this whole columbine event is about cowards... and those who support them... plain and simple. It is about rewarding cowardice, evidenced by those who refuse to go in when danger and death are all around, by protection and praise... they should be ashamed.

Looks like these cops WERE not the caliber of the cops in new york who ran in when death was imminent... to save lives. Funny but the new york cops did not "wig out" and start shooting folks as they escaped the twin towers now did they??? Sounds like at least some of these columbine police are pu$$ease and cowards... unlike their new york counterparts. A REAL cop puts the lives of others above his own.... he's a hero... but the kind of behaviors suggested by the formation of this grand jury... suggest cowardess and fraud in the extreme...

It's going to be good if the perpetrator(s) of the UNNECESSARY DEATHS and subsequent coverup agents for the cop who must of went berserk... are exposed and tried. If mentally competent, the cop and his enablers will go to prison. It will be a GOOD lesson for the other statist cowards who would dare to put on a sheild UNDER the people's authority, and who misuse that authority and ordnance as cowards or as a means to enjoy their own insane "power trip" by killing innocent americans needlessly.

Until this is resolved... no cops from columbine that day should be allowed to travel to ground zero in new york... holy ground where heros only can tread. Shame on the columbine cowards....

I have to ask: if this cop were NOT guilty and his enablers believed NO law had been broken why the organized resistance... why the cover up?

Remember how this played into the anti gun lobby's quest for new laws at the time? Remember that the cops KNEW about klebold and harris' plans, and had reviewed them on tape BEFORE the event occured? Was this Bill clinton's finest work?

These cops may not just have been cowards... to the average american its beginning to look like they conspired to bring this event about... They knew about it before... and engaged actively in cover up activities after.

This whole event is beyond the pale. Something is rotten in Colorado. Does clinton have important "friends" there or something?

25 posted on 01/05/2002 1:29:04 PM PST by Robert_Paulson2
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great post t-shirt.
26 posted on 01/05/2002 1:29:35 PM PST by Robert_Paulson2
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cowardess = cowardice, sheesh..
27 posted on 01/05/2002 1:31:08 PM PST by Robert_Paulson2
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Bttt!
28 posted on 01/05/2002 1:34:04 PM PST by monkeywrench
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Although that was the official ruling, some evidence released in the past year appears to contradict that finding.

Thanks. Bookmarked to follow up and compare in the days/weeks/years to come. I'm pretty sure that by the time they're ready to give us any REAL answers, we'll all have died of old age, anyway.

29 posted on 01/05/2002 1:37:32 PM PST by Ridin' Shotgun
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"...try to make this into some cop bashing and govt. conspiracy thread." The clintons whole 'reign' was a damn conspiracy! Everything they did was designed to promote division, cultural suicide, hysteria, and lies. They perfected coverups! They sure got a lot of face time and anti gun legislation out of this. Their fingerprints are all over this. Get out of your 'everyone will think it's a conspiracy' whack mindset. It was a conspiracy. I'm almost tempted to add, 'if the leos have nothing to hide' why fear a grand jury probe? But that doesn't apply to govt. types or those who do their bidding, does it?
30 posted on 01/05/2002 1:41:07 PM PST by monkeywrench
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If it wasn't for the actions of Klebold and Harris, 13 people would have not lost their lives that day. Many on FR will try to make this into some cop bashing and govt. conspiracy thread. But the ultimate blame belongs to Klebold and Harris, IMHO.

Yeah, and if G-d hadn't given people free will, then none of this would have happened so the ultimate blame belongs to G-d, right?
31 posted on 01/05/2002 1:48:28 PM PST by aruanan
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To: t-shirt
Who the hell is worried about money when your child is murdered ???

Don't know much about human nature, huh t-shirt?

When somebody says it's not about money, it's about money.

32 posted on 01/05/2002 1:50:46 PM PST by sinkspur
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Weren't there witnesses who saw an adult male in a black trenchcoat enter the school just before the shooting started?

I read that in a Michael Rivero post.

Most likely, it's NOT true.

33 posted on 01/05/2002 1:54:01 PM PST by sinkspur
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"...As long as I live, I will not forget the images of the cops standing outside the building in groups, hiding behind vehicles, not one of them rushing inside to aid the children - A GRAPHIC PICTURE OF COWARDICE..."

Pictures that the cowards shown in them, and their various apologists, disregard as they demand of us, "Are you going to believe us, or your lying eyes?"

35 posted on 01/05/2002 2:04:58 PM PST by DWSUWF
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To: ASTM366
Yes, a grand jury to investigate the lack of action by law enforcement would be in order.

You might get a grand jury and you might even get some sort of conviction, but it would be overturned on appeal because the courts have ruled time and again that the police are under no legal obligation to protect anyone in particular.

The only solution is go after, at the polls, the first available elected official in the chain of command. I think that would be the sherrif and the mayor(s).

36 posted on 01/05/2002 2:08:47 PM PST by El Gato
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Yes, a grand jury to investigate the lack of action by law enforcement would be in order.

You might get a grand jury and you might even get some sort of conviction, but it would be overturned on appeal because the courts have ruled time and again that the police are under no legal obligation to protect anyone in particular.

The only solution is go after, at the polls, the first available elected official in the chain of command. I think that would be the sherrif and the mayor(s).

37 posted on 01/05/2002 2:08:48 PM PST by El Gato
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To: Dane
Like I stated before, the ultimate blame belongs to them.

While true, it is also irrellevant. If some one broke down your door and stole your TV, then later a second person walked through that door and took some more of your stuff, would the second person be absolved of responsibility for their actions? Analogous situtation.

38 posted on 01/05/2002 2:11:24 PM PST by El Gato
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This should come as no surprise to anyone; this is the same group of LEO cowards that cowered while children were being murdered.
39 posted on 01/05/2002 2:20:34 PM PST by Blade
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...he might have been gunned down...

Can one be gunned up?

This is going to be one BIG can'o'worms...

FMCDH

40 posted on 01/05/2002 2:25:54 PM PST by nothingnew
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RE:I beleive WE the people deserve some blame for allowing OUR government to turn LEO's into Para-military forces ala the War on some Drugs

I'll sign that.
42 posted on 01/05/2002 2:51:55 PM PST by tomakaze
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Even Barney Fife wouldn't have allowed the schoolteacher to bleed to death while they sat outside talking to each other on their 2-ways. The sad thing is these cowards are still on the force and will collect pensions off the same taxpayers they failed in the line of duty.
43 posted on 01/05/2002 3:01:06 PM PST by doosee
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Why even bother? Nothing real came of investigations into Waco and Ruby Ridge. The government always wins. Sorry, I'm just jaded.. there's so much that I can't believe has gone on in this country and it makes me sick. You can't fight the police, the FBI, the CIA, the ATF, etc.... they always cover their asses and they always come out on top.. no matter who's in the white house.
44 posted on 01/05/2002 3:03:08 PM PST by goodieD
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, you armchair high judges always know what is best AFTER the fact.

I too, think they should not have waited so long to go in, but to blame the deaths on the police is ludicrous and shows a complete lack of understanding of the concept of RELEVANCE. 2 kids are at fault, the rest were reacting in the heat of battle.

If those officers had rushed in, instigating a heavy gun battle with collateral injuries(not saying that would have been the result, but it was a significant risk), you would probably be the first and the loudest shouting how "as long as you live, you will never forget the images of those stormtroopers hastily charging the building, killing children, a graphic picture of excessive force and poor judgement."

45 posted on 01/05/2002 3:14:12 PM PST by Diddle E. Squat
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And of course the police coverup of their own incompetence, to include intimidation of witnesses and purjury, would still be felony criminal conspiracy and official misconduct- and very likely also constitutes racketeering under Colorado state law, another feliony offense.

NO!!!!!!!

The police wouldn't do that! Ask Dane.

The unaccountability of these SWAT cops is going to destroy the moral authority of the police.

46 posted on 01/05/2002 3:22:49 PM PST by Nov3
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, you armchair high judges always know what is best AFTER the fact.

You are correct. The best course of action is to do nothing. When students are running out STOP THEM!!!! SECURE THE PERIMETER!!!!! Let the killers murder until they get tired of it and then say it could have been worse. A BODY ARMORED RAMBO WANNABEE SWAT cop could have been hurt.

I will say it again. A two man cruiser in the 1960's would have gone in and stopped this. Without body armor and only armed with one shotgun and two model 10 Smiths.

47 posted on 01/05/2002 3:29:23 PM PST by Nov3
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RE:You are correct. The best course of action is to do nothing. When students are running out STOP THEM!!!! SECURE THE PERIMETER!!!!! Let the killers murder until they get tired of it and then say it could have been worse. A BODY ARMORED RAMBO WANNABEE SWAT cop could have been hurt.

Uncanny - How the hell did a mere citizen get a copy of the OSHA Handbook for Cops?
48 posted on 01/05/2002 3:59:16 PM PST by tomakaze
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A grand jury would be an acknowledgement something is Not Quite Right here, and is a welcome development. One could hope, but in no way expect, it goes further than a grand jury burial -- unlike the one down the road in Boulder.
49 posted on 01/05/2002 4:17:17 PM PST by Plummz
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To: Diddle E. Squat
Harris and Klebold were responsible for the attack and murders, but the FACT remains that the law enforcement personnel who responded to the incident at Columbine High School did not put themselves at risk to stop their attack.

COWARDS, COWARDS, COWARDS, COWARDS, COWARDS!!!

Not ONE officer who showed up on the scene put themselves "in harms way" to save those children.

They even let a teacher bleed to death!

You can't defend this lack of action. A simple case of paralysis and cowardice.

Your comments would lead one to believe that you would probably advocate giving the "officers" a commendation.

50 posted on 01/05/2002 5:14:17 PM PST by ASTM366
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