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(Breaking:Governor)Owens Calls for Columbine Grand Jury (Students "Gunned By" Swat,+KleboldAutopsy)
Rocky Mountain News ^ | Karen Abbott , Kevin Vaughan, John Sanko and Charlie Brennan

Posted on 01/05/2002 12:26:27 PM PST by t-shirt

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To: t-shirt
Thanks for the heads up!
61 posted on 01/05/2002 7:13:27 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Lester Moore
Agreed.I have to send my child to school.I have nightmares about the same type of event happenning at her school.My work is 30 minutes away.I wonder how many Columbine parents were kept at bay by the LEOs?Im sure at least a few were willing to go in sans "special forces" to save their kids.I remember seeing the news coverage and wondering why the cops waited for special teams to get there before going in. A grand jury is the only answer to find out what really happened there.

If the cops there, or anywhere, wont deal with this type of killing spree quickly, then my kid should be able to carry a concealed weapon to protect herself.Or better yet,I get some kind of tax credit that allows me to send her to private school,and we opt out of "public"education altogether.

62 posted on 01/05/2002 7:28:36 PM PST by sarasmom
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To: t-shirt
I am with you on this one! The whole deal stinks and the Sheriff is hiding something - and aparently has the courts with him. They blew it - time to stand up and come clean. 60 Minutes did a nice piece (for them) but didn't go deep enough. I have called the Gov's office several times asking him to open up this can of worms.

BTW it is beyond my imagination that a cop ran when somebody was shooting kids. I swear if it was me I would have fought until I was out of bullets and blood........

63 posted on 01/05/2002 7:31:05 PM PST by mad_as_he$$
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To: Dane
Go away "Cops Are Always Right" scumbag.

prambo

64 posted on 01/05/2002 7:33:45 PM PST by prambo
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To: ASTM366

A GRAPHIC PICTURE OF COWARDICE.

Even worse was watching the cowards in their flack jackets, with m16’s at the ready, boldly approaching the school, shielded by a fire truck.

The poor fireman was in plain view behind that huge windshield, he had no flack jacket.

66 posted on 01/05/2002 7:54:49 PM PST by itsahoot
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To: Buckeroo
Columbine High School was a result of punk kids. The police
did what they could and in the process mistakes occurred.

If only I had a nickle for every time I heard Janet Reno, Hillary Clinton and Bill say that.......

67 posted on 01/05/2002 8:17:07 PM PST by itsahoot
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To: itsahoot
You placed an entirely different perspective upon my opinion. Reno is a friggin' nutcase that can't even control her own arms in times of decency as she almost killed little Elian. She certainly knew how to torch the branch Davidians in Waco, TX.

But this thread is all about an entirely different problem. This was not political greed or government cover-up. This was albout the tragic deaths of youths that may have been caught up in the line of fire-power.

It is ashame you don't understand my point. Then, again, I always become choaked up with Columbine, CO threads and for my human misgivings, I apoligize.

“To sanction disregard for the Constitution in the name of protecting society from law breakers is to make the government itself lawless and to subvert those values upon which our ultimate freedom and liberty depend.” -- Judge (U.S.A.) Brennan

68 posted on 01/05/2002 8:31:17 PM PST by Buckeroo
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To: t-shirt
Thanks for posting these articles.

There was some kind of conspiracy at Columbine.

1. There was some amount of foreknowledge of these perps and their plans--the perps should have been closely watched. This in a town with a low crime rate, and not the overwhelming caseload that urban cops contend with that tends to let this kind of info go unnoticed.

2. Why did the cops not storm the building? Did no one think of putting on a custodian's uniform to get in and look like they belonged there to get intel? There was credible inside intel due to the large amount of cell phone calls by the students to the outside. One TV reporter was reporting live that they had heard from a student inside that they were hiding in a certain part of the library from the perps, and I yelled at the TV "Don't give away that info-someone on the outside might be feeding info to the perps!" There was massive armed firepower outside--doing nothing!

3. What ever happened to the tanks and tanks of propane gas found in the building and how did they get there? Two kids did that by their lonesome?

4. It was too neat that the two perps "offed" each other simultaneously in a Hollywood movie ending. In real life, one person always chickens out or misses or gets wounded. That never sounded right to begin with. It sounded like someone else took them out. Dead men tell no tales.

5. A man bled to death for almost three hours due to inaction and cowardice on the SWAT teams outside. That was inexcusable.The timeline is clear that the are he was in was secure enough to get him and his class out, but that didn't happen.

6. Clinton and Reno jumped on this tragedy likes flies on crap to extract anti gun laws--it was too close in MO to the Oklahoma City bombing--the tale of the tragedy was spun very quickly so that no one could react.

7. The Sheriff has not said a word to the investigating commission. That stinks more than anything. 13 innocents dead and he clams up. Yeah, right!

Columbine's full story has not been told.

69 posted on 01/05/2002 8:44:52 PM PST by exit82
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To: Buckeroo
. This was not political greed or government cover-up.

How do you know this?

70 posted on 01/05/2002 10:34:56 PM PST by Plummz
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To: ASTM366
I believe that the courts have said that law enforcement is NOT required to intervene and protect the public, and I'm sure that is becuase todays liberal courts will let the perp cry foul. What ever happened to "To Protect and Serve"?
71 posted on 01/05/2002 11:31:33 PM PST by 1FreeAmerican
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To: Itzlzha
A man bled to death because the LEO's sat on their cowardly a$$es. That death was due to inaction on the part of the LEO's. Lets take a lesson from the events in Somalia...ie Blackhawk Down!. Real men- hero's- risked it all to save their fellow soldiers. They RAN in and kicked some a$$!! And does anybody here actually believe the cops can't tell the good guy's from the bad guy's? Well they certainly can't from outside the building.
72 posted on 01/05/2002 11:53:34 PM PST by 1FreeAmerican
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To: t-shirt
Here is a snip from an article on the 1/3 HERE

Prosecutor rejects calls for grand jury over allegations police shot Columbine student By Steven K. Paulson, Associated Press, 1/3/2002 16:50

LITTLETON, Colo. (AP) Federal and county prosecutors Thursday refused to convene a grand jury to look into allegations that a police officer accidentally killed a student during the 1999 Columbine High School massacre.

Gov. Bill Owens said he would not ask for an investigation, and U.S. Attorney John Suthers said no federal crimes have been alleged.

''You have to believe there was criminal conduct to convene a grand jury. We have no reason to believe there was anything criminal that took place during the investigation,'' said Pam Russell, spokeswoman for Jefferson County District Attorney Dave Thomas. The parents of some of the slain

73 posted on 01/06/2002 5:19:40 AM PST by Native American Female Vet
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To: Buckeroo
If that boy was shot by a LEO it is very important. There have been reports of coverup since the first few weeks after the killings.

This needs to be looked at. A new policy may come out of this like....Dont shoot kids running out of a building, when you dont know what the hell is going on.

74 posted on 01/06/2002 5:35:02 AM PST by Native American Female Vet
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To: Native American Female Vet
Yeah, a real nice policy statement you made. Let the cops die for nothing. Don't even allow them to protect themselves; much less protect countless innocents.

Pretty British of you, in fact.

75 posted on 01/06/2002 5:38:32 AM PST by Buckeroo
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To: Dane
Since the ultimate blame belongs to Klebold and Harris, the LEO's are not responsable and should not be held accountable if they did shoot the kid?

Since the ultimate blame belongs to Klebold and Harris, the Leos's are not responsable and should not be held accountable for a brave teacher bleeding to death?

76 posted on 01/06/2002 5:44:43 AM PST by Native American Female Vet
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To: ASTM366
As long as I live, I will not forget the images of the cops standing outside the building in groups, hiding behind vehicles, not one of them rushing inside to aid the children - A GRAPHIC PICTURE OF COWARDICE.

Remembering also the teacher who bled to death more than 2 hours after the initial attack ... (Sniff).

77 posted on 01/06/2002 6:04:38 AM PST by Tunehead54
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To: Buckeroo
So what you are saying is a LEO's life and protection is more important than an innocent kid and there is no policy that could have stopped an innocent kid running out of the building from being shot by a LEO?
78 posted on 01/06/2002 6:07:57 AM PST by Native American Female Vet
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To: Lurker
Dylan and Kleybold may indeed hold the 'ultimate blame' as you say, but that certainly doesn't exonerate the cops if they were guilty of wrongdoing as well.

Save your breath; Dane posts the exact same comment to every thread concerning Columbine. In his world, evidently, the police are never to be held responsible for mistakes. I would agree that there are certainly cases where the cops deserve the benefit of the doubt, and more. Columbine, however, is layer upon layer of law enforcement ineptitude. Sorta makes you wonder what motivates *anyone* to run interference for that particular SWAT team.

79 posted on 01/06/2002 6:21:02 AM PST by Cloud William
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To: t-shirt; ALL
See Investigating the lies: Parents, police are miles apart on what happened in Columbine rampage
80 posted on 01/06/2002 6:38:04 AM PST by Plummz
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