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(Breaking:Governor)Owens Calls for Columbine Grand Jury (Students "Gunned By" Swat,+KleboldAutopsy)
Rocky Mountain News ^ | Karen Abbott , Kevin Vaughan, John Sanko and Charlie Brennan

Posted on 01/05/2002 12:26:27 PM PST by t-shirt

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To: Dane
Here you go again with your strawman argument. Nobody is seeking to absolve Klebold and Harris of responsibility. What is being sought here is an investigation into whether or not an officer actually shot a fleeing student. If there's an officer out there who is prone to that kind of negligence, he needs to be exposed and removed.

Isn't there a Bush swoonfest thread going on somewhere? Go find it and stop interrupting while the grownups are talking.

81 posted on 01/06/2002 6:57:33 AM PST by Twodees
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To: Plummz
That is a very good read. Thanks!
82 posted on 01/06/2002 7:41:05 AM PST by Native American Female Vet
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To: Native American Female Vet
This Pam Russel is clearly overlooking the fact that misfeasance, malfeasance and nonfeasance by elected or appointed officials are indeed criminal offenses in every state of the US.

I am usually disgusted when I read what some flunky says to try to cover up the venality of the position being taken by politicians, mainly because their statements are so mindlessly stupid.

83 posted on 01/06/2002 7:42:21 AM PST by Twodees
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To: Twodees
hehehehehe good one
84 posted on 01/06/2002 7:44:01 AM PST by Native American Female Vet
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To: Buckeroo
Buck, the cops weren't prevented from defending themselves, they protected themselves very well by hiding outside while the action was all inside. They were prevented from going inside to protect the students, for whatever reason. That particular failure shouldn't be allowed to stand as policy.

It's apparent that all you know about this came from ABC news or some similar source. Maybe you'd benefit from further reading.

85 posted on 01/06/2002 7:46:41 AM PST by Twodees
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To: Twodees
"This Pam Russel is clearly overlooking the fact that misfeasance, malfeasance and nonfeasance by elected or appointed officials are indeed criminal offenses in every state of the US. "

Correct and this is a perfect example of why it should be since this looks like the LEO's are more interested in CYA than truth.

86 posted on 01/06/2002 7:58:38 AM PST by Native American Female Vet
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To: Dane
"If it wasn't for the actions of Klebold and Harris, 13 people would have not lost their lives that day. Many on FR will try to make this into some cop bashing and govt. conspiracy thread. But the ultimate blame belongs to Klebold and Harris, IMHO."

I'm not a cop basher by ANY means. And you are right that the two shooters caused the whole scenario. I'd not let them slide a bit. But if a cop has lied and it can be proven, that's a step against corruption and tyranny that should be taken. I can't believe this would EVEN be argued with. I've known and dealt with good cops. But then unfortunately I've also had to deal with 1 or 2 bad cops. And I assure you, I think there's nothing worse than a bad cop. Period. But also lets not forget the dead and their families.

87 posted on 01/06/2002 8:05:31 AM PST by Ozarkie
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To: Native American Female Vet
Yep, those offenses I mentioned should be the object of a grand jury. The nitwit spokeswoman who tried to float the diversionary argument that only a criminal offense could be the subject of a grand jury should have been challenged by the reporter who quoted her. Of course, that would require that reporters actually learn to be journalists. I don't think that the 4th estate is in danger of being invaded by real journalists.
88 posted on 01/06/2002 8:06:08 AM PST by Twodees
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To: Twodees
No police department allows a policy of mistakes. These guys know their responsibilities and not just to the community. You are on a witch-hunt and you are going up a dead-end.

I suggest that you go after current government policy that destroys our precious rights and freedoms. Go after BIG_POLITICAL_MACHINES that say they support the Constitution and then they turn-around and tear it up because, "it's the will of the people."

89 posted on 01/06/2002 8:24:52 AM PST by Buckeroo
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To: exit82; t-shirt
Good summation. Thanks, t-shirt

Others have made good points as well.

It was clearly evident that Sheriff Stone was acting on orders from "above" and that the SWAT teams were being ordered to not go into the school. Further, it is clear that the teacher was allowed to bleed to death - on purpose - even though the students with him had been rescued and pleaded with the officials to get the teacher out...but their pleas were not heeded.

Now - why would these non-actions be ordered "from above"?

One must always, always, always look at who benefitted from this "school shooting massacre". Whose agenda was enhanced?

If you said gun grabbing totalitarian wannabes who fear armed American citizens - you would be right.

That doesn't mean Harris and Klebold were not the guilty parties - of course they were. But again there were too many eyewitness reports of "other shooters" - people who, just like at OKC, and TWA800, were attempted to be talked out of seeing OTHERS than the OFFICIAL perpetrators by "investigators" - but who have never changed their stories or their minds.

The M.O. is so similar in all these "Clinton era events and 'investigations'" that I cannot understand why people miss the obvious.

It is clear that what happened at Columbine was a "controlled" event. That made the investigation become a "controlled" event also. In other words, at the best - higher up officials ordered LEO NOT to enter the school and the LEO's obeyed those orders. At the worst (and I have no problem thinking the worst about the Clinton Crime Machine) - some agents within the Clinton administration learned about Klebold and Harris, took them under their wing, nourished their plans and augmented them, probably promising them assisted escape after the deed was done but instead, gave them each a bullet in their temples, assisted as shooters and then participated in the lengthy coverup of the evidence - (why the bodies were not allowed to be moved for almost a day!!!)

Sheriff Stone knows exactly what happened and knows he would be lynched if he told the truth about what he knows. He enjoys breathing so he keeps the "STONE"wall going. People in the Clinton administration know the truth also. They know they would be lynched if the truth were known about their complicity in the Columbine massacre.

People in the Bush administration - those they have managed to get into positions with any authority - likely would not believe such horrors could be done. They only see "good government" at work and have no inkling of the depths of evil with which many in the previous administration operatives were filled.

The operatives are still in their old jobs likely - at the FBI - and at the CIA - a very chilling prospect. Mueller is not trustworthy because he was there under Clinton.

So, the beat goes on. The the injustice continues and will not be uncovered because the perpetrators enjoy breathing also.

But, again, there is a Judge who knows quite well exactly what happened. There is coming a day when every one of the perpetrators (not Klebold and Harris - they have already met their just end) will stand before God Almighty. No spin, no coverup, no lies will be tolerated there.

I would suggest any of these operatives who participated in this heinous crime should consider that coming forward with the truth today, confessing their deeds, and taking the just punishment for them in this life - meeting their Savior face to face NOW will make their eternal situation much more "comfortable". And, America CAN handle the truth......if only the "government" - the honest, good government people would give truth a chance!

90 posted on 01/06/2002 8:38:13 AM PST by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: Dane
"But the ultimate blame belongs to Klebold and Harris"

Yep. Two nutty kids start shooting and the cops can kill anyone in sight, right?

91 posted on 01/06/2002 8:40:13 AM PST by PatrioticAmerican
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To: Buckeroo
"The police did what they could "

Wasn’t much was it? How HOURS after the H&K were dead and the shooting had stopped before they reached the teacher who bled to death from an injury that he could have lived through? "what they could"? I expect far more for my money.

92 posted on 01/06/2002 8:42:48 AM PST by PatrioticAmerican
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt
I enjoyed your post about "controlled events". That gives articulation to what I always thought was happening under Clinton but I couldn't come up with a phrase for it.

Information about events was always tightly controlled during the Clinton years, precisely because of the media's ideological kinship with Clinton and thosed who backed his rise to power. I say those who backed his rise to power because ther is no way that two-bit huckster from Little Rock who was ruled by his bent little head could ever amount to much without a whole lot of packaging, spinning, and agitprop fed to the masses to sell his worthless hide as a "leader" of anything.

As a country, we were hosed by this hayseed and his Marxist wife, no doubt about it.

But the "controlled event", as you put it, aptly describes the lockdown on information that occurred after Columbine, as occurred after OKC in 1995. Notice too, that our watchdog media has never ever fed us alternate stories or investigations about these highly suspicious incidents. But now that we have a Republican President, voila, the "homeless problem" is front page news again. Where the heck were these homeless people from 1993-2001 during Clinton--you never heard of them, right?!

Thanks for the phrase "controlled events". Columbine, OKC, Waco, TWA 800 , Vince Foster, Ron Brown, in my mind were all "controlled events".

They can call us "conspiracy nuts" if they want too, but I've lived long enough to know that if it don't smell right, it ain't right, and a whole lot of closer inspection is needed. And Columbine never smelled right.

93 posted on 01/06/2002 8:10:16 PM PST by exit82
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To: NoControllingLegalAuthority
SWAT teams are a scourge. In the old days, street cops were trained to handle shoot-outs. The widespread use of SWAT teams has caused deadly delay in response and have unnecessarily militarized local police.

51 posted on 1/5/02 6:21 PM Pacific by

Correct! Completely correct!

Militarized police are basically trained cowardice---it's the idea that the life of the agent, troop or officer is the most important, by far, over the lives of the citizen, victim or hostage.

94 posted on 01/09/2002 12:47:24 PM PST by t-shirt
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To: t-shirt
"Sh*t, meet Fan."
95 posted on 01/09/2002 12:50:41 PM PST by Wolfie
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