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Neanderthals Clever Enough To Make 'Superglue'
Ananova ^ | 0106-2002

Posted on 01/06/2002 7:24:03 AM PST by blam

Neanderthals clever enough to make 'superglue'

Researchers say Neanderthals had considerable technical and intellectual skills and were as ingenious as modern humans.

German scientists say they have found Neanderthals mixed a kind of superglue to make tools.

It had to be made at a precise temperature and means the race had considerable technical and manual skills in comparison to their dullard image.

Neanderthals are thought to have first appeared around 230,000 to 300,000 years ago.

Professor Chris Stringer, head of human origins at the Natural History Museum in London, said the discovery is potentially very important: "It would further show that the behaviour gap between us and Neanderthals is narrower than we thought. Some may say there isn't a gap."

Independent reports that the research centres on a new analysis of two 80,000-year-old samples of blackish-brown pitch discovered in a lignite mining pit in the Harz mountains in Germany.

One of the pitch pieces bears the print of a finger and there are also imprints of a flint stone tool and wood, suggesting the pitch had served as a sort of glue to secure a wooden shaft to a flint stone blade.

The research, carried out at the Doerner-Institut in Munich, found the pitch was a birch pitch, which can be only be produced at temperatures of 300-400C.

The team, led by Professor Dietrich Mania of Freidrich-Schiller University in Jena, said: "This implies the Neanderthals did not come across these pitches by accident but must have produced them with intent."

"The pitch finds demonstrate that the Neanderthals must have possessed a high degree of technical and manual abilities, comparable to those of modern Homo sapiens.''

Story filed: 12:45 Sunday 6th January 2002


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KEYWORDS: godsgravesglyphs; neandertal; neanderthal; neanderthals
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Neanderthals R us.
1 posted on 01/06/2002 7:24:03 AM PST by blam
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To: blam
All your Neanderthals are belong to us.
2 posted on 01/06/2002 7:27:18 AM PST by knarf
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To: blam
Neanderthals must have been a sort of master race of their day-- inventors of superior German technology.

Then, they stopped having children any more, and let Muslims come in by the millions from North Africa. There went the neighborhood.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

3 posted on 01/06/2002 7:29:29 AM PST by crystalk
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To: blam
If they dig down far enough maybe they'll find the Elf cities.
4 posted on 01/06/2002 7:30:00 AM PST by Dialup Llama
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To: crystalk
Sadly I agree.
6 posted on 01/06/2002 7:44:54 AM PST by Nov3
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To: blam
So, the Dems are smarter than we think, eh?
7 posted on 01/06/2002 7:47:31 AM PST by PatrioticAmerican
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To: blam
Neanderthals mixed a kind of superglue to make tools. ...

Now they just buy it at Wal*Mart.

8 posted on 01/06/2002 8:12:16 AM PST by randog
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To: blam
Now all those cave paintings of Ug-Ug hanging on to a hard-hat glued to an I-beam make sense.
9 posted on 01/06/2002 8:24:57 AM PST by avg_freeper
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To: blam
Neanderthals- as I understand it- were Homo Sapiens- just a different race. While they had physical traits that are strikingly different from modern humans they are still genetically the same and could mate with modern man today. I am of the belief that Neanderthals were violently wiped out by early Cro Magnum man or in limited cases inbred with them.
10 posted on 01/06/2002 8:45:04 AM PST by Burkeman1
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To: Burkeman1
There are many people with strong Neanderthal traits.
11 posted on 01/06/2002 8:56:07 AM PST by NeonKnight
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To: Dialup Llama
Cities no more, they are in runes.

Couldn't resist!

12 posted on 01/06/2002 9:02:47 AM PST by Smokin' Joe
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To: Burkeman1
Neanderthals- as I understand it- were Homo Sapiens- just a different race.

The part that's always fascinated me is- they had bigger brains.

13 posted on 01/06/2002 9:14:05 AM PST by Prodigal Son
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To: blam
So maybe we could rewrite the title to say "Neanderthals wiped out by glue sniffing addiction"
14 posted on 01/06/2002 9:15:33 AM PST by Prodigal Son
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To: Burkeman1
"I am of the belief that Neanderthals were violently wiped out by early Cro Magnum man or in limited cases inbred with them."

I believe they were assimilated and that we are them. (No doubt there were many battles between these groups on the way though.)

15 posted on 01/06/2002 9:16:37 AM PST by blam
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To: Prodigal Son
"The part that's always fascinated me is- they had bigger brains."

Do a search on the Allegewi/Tallegewi peoples of America. Some of them were giants with huge heads. (...and presumably larger brains. Were they the Fomorian giants of Irish legend?)

16 posted on 01/06/2002 9:21:24 AM PST by blam
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To: blam
bump for later
17 posted on 01/06/2002 9:32:47 AM PST by d4now
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To: PatrioticAmerican
No, they're mixing up glue for sniffing purposes.
18 posted on 01/06/2002 9:33:34 AM PST by PetiteMericco
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To: Burkeman1;NeonKnight
I've had countless women call me a Neanderthal.
19 posted on 01/06/2002 9:42:30 AM PST by uglybiker
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To: blam
Obviously Neanderthals had command of modern telecom technology - they're constantly calling me trying to get me to switch long distance providers.
20 posted on 01/06/2002 9:50:59 AM PST by The Duke
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To: blam
I thought duct tape came BEFORE superglue!
21 posted on 01/06/2002 9:59:01 AM PST by goodnesswins
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To: goodnesswins
I thought duct tape came BEFORE superglue!

No mistake there. Prior to the Neanderthals an even more primitive race developed the first duct tape. The only surviving descendants have found their niche in modern society on PBS. Have you ever seen the Red Green Show?

22 posted on 01/06/2002 10:58:31 AM PST by TigersEye
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To: Prodigal Son;RightWhale;JudyB1938;sawsalimb;LostTribe;Ada Coddington

Adena Skulls found in Ohio. These large headed people were reputed to have had two rows of teeth.(hyperdontia). They were wiped out by the invading American Indians from the west. These skulls are in the Ohio State Archaeological Museum in Columbus, Ohio. (females were 170 cm and males were 180.7 cm tall)

23 posted on 01/06/2002 11:56:08 AM PST by blam
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To: blam
The top one looks like my accountant.

The bottom one looks like my ex-.... never mind. :)

24 posted on 01/06/2002 12:00:54 PM PST by grumpster-dumpster
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Gods, Graves, Glyphs file?
25 posted on 01/06/2002 12:09:27 PM PST by blam
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To: blam;Gods, Graves, Glyphs;
Certainly!

To find all articles tagged or indexed using 'Gods, Graves, Glyphs'

Click here: 'Gods, Graves, Glyphs'

27 posted on 01/06/2002 12:43:32 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: blam
Not only were Neanderthals the first to make "Superglue", but there is evidence to suggest that they developed an early version of the "Veg-A-Matic", enabling them to make delicious julian fries in seconds!
28 posted on 01/06/2002 12:58:21 PM PST by GreenHornet
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To: blam
Yeah, but did Neanderthals use the superglue to put on false eyelashes? Which begs the question - evolution or de-evolution?
29 posted on 01/06/2002 1:01:07 PM PST by willieroe
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To: Burkeman1
Neanderthals were violently wiped out by early Cro Magnum man or in limited cases inbred with them.

I think you meant to say "interbred."

tee-hee.

30 posted on 01/06/2002 1:02:00 PM PST by Yeti
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To: Buck Turgidson
"These results indicate that Neandertals did not contribute mitochondrial DNA to modern humans," says Dr. Mark Stoneking, associate professor of anthropology at Penn State. "Neandertals are not our ancestors." "

Actually, that just proves that they were not likely our maternal ancestors, since mtDNA is contributed exclusively by mom.

I don't know what Neanderthal ladies looked like, but it probably would be more likely that Neandethal guys impregnated Cro-Magnon women than the other way around.

Just a thought.

31 posted on 01/06/2002 1:06:13 PM PST by Yeti
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To: Yeti
I don't know what Neanderthal ladies looked like, but it probably would be more likely that Neandethal guys impregnated Cro-Magnon women than the other way around.

If so, the Cro-Magnon women might have had trouble getting their large-headed offspring down the birth canal.

32 posted on 01/06/2002 1:41:03 PM PST by Ada Coddington
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To: Prodigal Son
"The part that's always fascinated me is- they had bigger brains."

But of a different shape and constitution.

Remember the sloping forehead? Our cerebrums are much larger -- an advantage in reasoning capacity.

The Neanderthal brain was said to be more developed than ours with respect to nerve functions, leading to a probable advantage in instinctual responses.

When they are born, our children have much to learn. Neanderthal children may have inherited most of their "knowledge".

33 posted on 01/06/2002 2:01:29 PM PST by okie01
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To: blam
So if we call RAT voters Neanderthals we are no longer insulting them???
34 posted on 01/06/2002 2:04:22 PM PST by doug from upland
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To: Ada Coddington
"If so, the Cro-Magnon women might have had trouble getting their large-headed offspring down the birth canal."

Good point. Of all the primates, humans are the only ones that birth with the childs head facing to the rear (of the mother) to accommodate the large head. This feature makes it difficult for the human mother to assist in the delivery of her child, unlike other primate mothers.

35 posted on 01/06/2002 2:46:10 PM PST by blam
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To: Buck Turgidson
interesting. I did not know that.
36 posted on 01/06/2002 3:57:30 PM PST by Burkeman1
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To: GreenHornet
LOL!

Wait, there's more!

37 posted on 01/06/2002 4:01:21 PM PST by michaelt
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To: blam
But they did'nt invent the popeil pocket fisherman.
38 posted on 01/06/2002 4:04:57 PM PST by Rebelbase
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To: blam
The problem with using tree pitch as glue, as any Neanderthal knew, is that the usable temperature range is limited. Too hot in the woods and the stone falls off the stick. Too cold in the woods and the stone breaks off the stick. An axe head needs to be bound to the stick with well-chewed sinew. There has been progress in the past 300,000 years: the modern perforated axe head has overcome some of the problem, but axe heads still sometimes fly off the stick.
39 posted on 01/06/2002 4:38:59 PM PST by RightWhale
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To: dubyaismypresident; hobbes1; xsmommy
Hmmm, whodathunkit? Caveman with adhesive personalities.
40 posted on 01/06/2002 4:43:43 PM PST by RikaStrom
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To: RikaStrom;
Hmmm, whodathunkit? Caveman with adhesive personalities.

I think this is not a suprise to certain freeperettes ;-)

41 posted on 01/06/2002 4:46:32 PM PST by NeoCaveman
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To: blam
One theory why modern humans, especially Europeans, Caucasians, etc., have problems with wisdom teeth is that we have inherited the small jaws of non-Neanderthals, but the numerous teeth which were able to fit in larger Neanderthal jaws.

That's one theory anyway.

I have known people who did not have wisdom teeth: their teeth fit perfectly in their jaws, no need for extractions. I have also known people who not only had to have all four wisdom teeth removed, but who also had an extra set of four wisdom teeth behind those which had to be removed, and in one case, a third upper pair of half-formed wisdom teeth which the dentists did not touch because they were too close to the sinuses.

Tracing DNA material down the female line does not necessarily prove anything definitively, contrary to what scientific spin doctors tell you. The bulk of the population of Europe, for instance, can be traced directly back to a small number of female ancestors, according to some testing done recently, but that does not mean that only those limited number of female ancestors were the only female ancestors of today's population, since indirect female inheritance is not studied; other females with Neanderthal inheritance may have existed, who did not leave direct ancestors of their own, but who might have introduced Neanderthal genes into the non-Neanderthal population. In other words, it is not necessary to speculate exclusively about Neanderthal men impregnating non-Neanderthal woman, when the reverse could also have happened just as often; even if these Neanderthal women do not have direct female ancestors in today's population, they could have passed along, indirectly, some of their genetic inheritence to non-Neanderthal women who did, eventually, pass along these genes to today's populations.

Also, we still don't know a lot about DNA, and there is a good chance a lot gets passed along which cannot be traced with our current technology and current limited understanding of DNA.

Well, that's my take; others much more knowledgeable about DNA can debate this point.

The important point for me here is there is more indication that the neanderthals were not stupid; the idea they did not have a spoken language, for instance, will have to be dropped: you need a language to pass along the kind of knowledge to make these glues (not to mention the other evidence for organization requiring language which is already well known). The association of stupidity and primitiveness with neanderthals is a result of an unfortunate misunderstanding of the original fossils, which were misshapen.

42 posted on 01/06/2002 4:54:50 PM PST by Vast Buffalo Wing Conspiracy
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To: Vast Buffalo Wing Conspiracy
Thanks. I agree 100% with all that you said in your post.
43 posted on 01/06/2002 5:14:39 PM PST by blam
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To: blam
Very interesting about those teeth. I know a gal whose whole family is like that. If they have to have one pulled, the one behind it slips right into place.
44 posted on 01/07/2002 8:39:23 AM PST by JudyB1938
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To: JudyB1938
"Very interesting about those teeth. I know a gal whose whole family is like that. If they have to have one pulled, the one behind it slips right into place."

Lol. I need teeth like that. Do the people in this family have big heads? Are they big and/or tall?

45 posted on 01/07/2002 9:29:53 AM PST by blam
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Please put in the GGG files, Thanks
46 posted on 12/02/2003 3:10:04 PM PST by blam
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To: blam
"Researchers say Neanderthals had considerable technical and intellectual skills and were as ingenious as modern humans."

I knew Ted Kennedy was actually just trying to give a compliment to the justice nominees ....
47 posted on 12/02/2003 3:14:43 PM PST by cinFLA
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To: cinFLA
The Neanderthals had bigger brains than modern humans. Hmmmm
48 posted on 12/02/2003 3:21:52 PM PST by blam
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To: blam
blam,
I am amazed at how you find all this fascinating material.

So...
Neanderthals buried their dead with flowers?
Made detailed or intricate tools?
Used skins and fur of animals for clothing in very cold climates?
Made glue?


But aren't they thought to have lacked the capacity for speech as we know it?
And how do we think this sophisticated information was conveyed and made part of the culture?

49 posted on 12/02/2003 3:31:04 PM PST by edwin hubble
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To: blam
I think the Neanderthals were simply long lived patriarchs a la some of the multi-centenarians described in the Bible.
50 posted on 12/02/2003 3:31:55 PM PST by fishtank
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