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White Guilt = Black Power
The Wall Street Journal ^ | Shelby Steele

Posted on 01/07/2002 8:35:06 PM PST by VinnyTex

Edited on 04/22/2004 11:45:52 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

By Shelby Steele. Mr. Steele, a research fellow at the Hoover Institution, is author of "A Dream Deferred: The Second Betrayal of Black Freedom in America" (HarperCollins, 1998).

There should be many more imbroglios like the one currently playing out at Harvard University, enough for America to finally understand that white guilt is exactly the same thing as black power. But it is testament to the daunting power of white guilt that confrontations like this one happen so rarely.


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To: JZoback
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Great article.

It was also an opportunity for Mr. West and the Afro-Am department to move from celebrity academia to serious achievement.

Not real familiar with African American Studies, (other than after many years of study it qualifies you to work in an African American Department) but has there every been any serious achievemment in this area.

51 posted on 01/08/2002 5:09:10 PM PST by Fzob
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To: aristeides
West has been an enormous embarrassment to Harvard. His status as a university professor, no less, is amazing if you consider others who have or have had that honor. Harvard president Summers is a very ambitious man. He lives in the shadow of two winners of the Nobel prize in his family. I am sure that he, and many other members of the Harvard community are deeply upset with West. He is making Harvard look second-rate, which they can't stand. The New Republic, owned by Marty Peretz, an important figure around Harvard, ran a piece by Leon Wieseltier a few years ago in which Wieseltier described West's books as "worthless." So discontent with West is nothing new.

To understand this, it is necessary to realize that Harvard never did tolerate its black studies department to be the joke that such departments are at many schools. Further, Harvard is able to have its pick of top students who are black, few though they be. Harvard gives only a 50 point SAT concession to blacks, as compared with 340 at Berkeley. So when they say they have never practiced affirmative action, it is not too far from the truth. West was a mistake, which has become apparent to the public as a result of West's high profile.

52 posted on 01/08/2002 5:15:11 PM PST by thucydides
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To: thucydides
Your last two posts suggest you think that progress has been made or is being made and this latest episode is evidence of it. Is that correct? I think (pessimistically) that Summers touched the third rail and whatever words he uses while backing off are rather meaningless. The establishment, and to my mind this is the establishment, artfully posing as anti-establishement (a familiar pose which they liked to assume even when they controlled the White House the past 8 years!) has re-asserted itself and Summers, Harvard and all the rest of us are back to square one. The annointed, untouchable elite remains untouchable as always.
53 posted on 01/08/2002 6:03:49 PM PST by Revolting cat!
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To: doug from upland
fyi for inspiration
54 posted on 01/08/2002 6:13:08 PM PST by MadelineZapeezda
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To: thucydides
I liked West saying, he had been disrespected on NPR.

Harvard diss'd him.

55 posted on 01/08/2002 6:14:23 PM PST by razorback-bert
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To: VinnyTex
"White Guilt = Black Power"

Also known as: The Reverend Jesse Jackson Road to Riches Scam.

56 posted on 01/08/2002 6:14:36 PM PST by TheGrimReaper
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To: Revolting cat!
You may be right, but note 1) Summers has not endorsed quotas, and 2) nobody at Harvard outside black studies has criticized him. Change comes at a glacial pace to academia. But I think we might be witnessing the beginning of the beginning. After all, Summers is no fool. Hope I am right.
58 posted on 01/09/2002 8:25:23 AM PST by thucydides
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To: atafak; okie01
"...The WSJ attempts to avoid the racism charge by getting a black to write the article."

How embarrassing for you. How do you hope to have your opinions viewed as credible when you attack the messenger rather than the message?

What is the subject of (assertions made in) the article? It is: "White guilt = black power".

Maybe you think that those who read and post on this Free Republic forum are unable to have the courage to engage in critical thought.

If you want to enjoy credibility with any, other than feminized, emotion-driven males and air-head females, you will have to legitimately refute the assertions made in "the message" rather than disengenuously attempt to judge the motives of "the messenger" and the paper for which he writes.

Comments such as the one you made are just another example of how the legalistic, religious left (modern-day Pharisees) always expose themselves as the quintessential examples of intolerance and judgementalism. Unless others "convert" to their politically correct views, and speak and act as they "should" they are "bad people".

Now, if you want to make an attempt to legitimately refute the assertions that Shelby Steele makes, please do so. If all you can do is engage in personal attacks, you won't be taken seriously by intellectually honest people.

59 posted on 01/09/2002 10:00:21 AM PST by Matchett-PI
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To: Matchett-PI
"How embarrassing for you. How do you hope to have your opinions viewed as credible when you attack the messenger rather than the message?"

However do you conclude that I was attacking the messenger, in any way?

And why should I be embarrassed when I am in 100% agreement with Mr. Steele's words?

My comment solely addressed the observation that we, as a nation, have become so race-stricken that, in the minds of many, a white guy isn't viewed as qualified to address the subject. And that, by default, only a black man may comment credibly.

60 posted on 01/09/2002 3:44:40 PM PST by okie01
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To: VinnyTex
Bump
61 posted on 01/09/2002 6:32:08 PM PST by JZoback
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To: Matchett-PI
Odd. You conflate intellectual honesty with missing the point. An ostrich in your ancestry?
62 posted on 01/09/2002 9:38:39 PM PST by atafak
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To: VinnyTex
How long before this thread gets pulled?
63 posted on 01/09/2002 9:54:04 PM PST by Orion
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To: atafak; okie01
"Odd. You conflate intellectual honesty with missing the point. An ostrich in your ancestry?"

You had previously written: "..Cute. The WSJ attempts to avoid the racism charge by getting a black to write the article."

Cute. Are you saying that you know the WSJ had the motive of wanting an article like that to print and specifically hired a black, telling him what to write?

Odd. I will admit that I assumed you were also attributing motives to Shelby Steele and attacking what he wrote. Please accept my apology for extrapolating your negative remarks about the motives of the WSJ on out to include Steele and his article.

64 posted on 01/10/2002 7:07:15 AM PST by Matchett-PI
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To: Matchett-PI
Answer me this. What the hell am I doing in the midst of this tepid flame war?
65 posted on 01/10/2002 7:22:43 AM PST by okie01
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To: okie01; atafak
"Answer me this. What the hell am I doing in the midst of this .....?"

Did you write this?:

In #10 you told atafak:"I see your point. Any number of white conservative thinkers could have written this same column. But the WSJ chose to publish the formulations of a black man, as if his color lends his words even more authority."

That's why.

66 posted on 01/10/2002 6:04:43 PM PST by Matchett-PI
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To: Matchett-PI
You don't see the point? And you don't understand the rest of the paragraph?

Look, I subscribe to just about everything Steele wrote. The issue is that we have an atmosphere where only black men are considered qualified to speak out on these matters. Steele will surely be accused of being a sell-out and an Uncle Tom, but -- to a publisher -- that's probably preferable to having one of your white columnists accused of being a racist.

And that is the point!

67 posted on 01/10/2002 7:26:56 PM PST by okie01
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To: Fzob
Not real familiar with African American Studies, (other than after many years of study it qualifies you to work in an African American Department) but has there every been any serious achievemment in this area.

Well let's see...........oh yeah, we have kwanzaa now.

68 posted on 01/10/2002 8:18:14 PM PST by Looking4Truth
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To: okie01
"The issue is that we have an atmosphere where only black men are considered qualified to speak out on these matters ... And that is the point!"

No, you don't get my point.

As I said before, I disagree with you two as to what you consider to be the "motives" of the WSJ.

What makes you think that the WSJ doesn't think it is refreshing, and rare to see a black man with that point of view, and would want to print what he writes to prove that Jesse Jackson, et.al. doesn't speak for ALL blacks?

But let's just drop it, since you haven't been able to see that the WSJ could have another "motive" other than the one you two want it to be. Thank you.

70 posted on 01/10/2002 8:52:30 PM PST by Matchett-PI
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To: Matchett-PI
"I disagree with you two as to what you consider to be the "motives" of the WSJ."

Dammit, I am not questioning the motives of the WSJ.

I am questioning the atmosphere in which they -- and all the rest of us -- have to operate.

Observe that I wrote "as if", not "as", in the post #10 that you're hung up on.

If I've misled you, as I apparently have, I apologize. But I need some help here.

71 posted on 01/10/2002 9:25:12 PM PST by okie01
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To: mrustow
However, none of the foregoing detracts from your point. Americans these days are not the heroic nation they once were. Consider how much of war planning involves avoiding situations in which American boys might end up in body bags.

I agree with damn near everything you've said to the extent of post #71, but this assertion is bunk. It's akin to postulating that it makes sense that even though you own a gun, you'd show up at a fight where you knew the other dude had a knife without it. In other words, of course we are averse to taking any unnecessary risks. We don't need to. We possess ample technology and resources whereby we can pound the living hell out of our enemies. What do you expect us to do? Airdrop 30,000 troops into battlezones before we bomb 'em back to the age o' rock chunking?

Your posts are valid and cogent, but this single point is certainly spurious.

72 posted on 01/10/2002 9:53:58 PM PST by cincinnati_Steve
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To: Matchett-PI
No apology needed. The quick and blitterforth of conversation on the net evoke multiple misunderstandings. They pass.
73 posted on 01/11/2002 5:02:59 PM PST by atafak
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To: okie01; atafak
"If I've misled you, as I apparently have, I apologize. But I need some help here."

I'll just quote atafak in #73: "No apology needed. The quick and blitterforth of conversation on the net evoke multiple misunderstandings. They pass."

Looks like we finally got it straightened out. Carry on!! :D

74 posted on 01/12/2002 11:41:11 AM PST by Matchett-PI
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To: FreedomPoster
SuperSize Value Meal Bump!
75 posted on 01/12/2002 11:48:38 AM PST by stainlessbanner
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To: Matchett-PI
You have got to be a lawyer. Your posts remind me of the character played by Damon Wayans on "Living Color" - rember the black guy in prison who always used BIG words...
76 posted on 01/12/2002 11:52:58 AM PST by stainlessbanner
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To: Sci Fi Guy
You're right about the fact that students need western civilisation courses first! It's vitally important, especially in today's world, that students know who they are and where they came from- this also includes white students! I'm currently attending college and hoped to study ancient history which is basically western themed. What I found was required black/womens history studies, and virtually NO ancient history or western history department, in fact you can go through high school and college without ever having learned about the Greeks or the Romans-- a far step away from about 30 or 40 years ago when learning the Roman language was a required class. There is only one college in my state where you can learn ancient history, or egyptology, and even swedish! Also, the article states that black man is doing mediocore because of the lack of white mans authority? Why is this? Why should black man need our authority if he is exactly equal to us? Just some thoughts!
77 posted on 04/10/2002 9:46:01 AM PDT by not_conservative
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To: I Hate Niggers
Awww leavin already ?
79 posted on 11/15/2003 10:03:10 PM PST by Squantos (Support Mental Health !........or........ I"LL KILL YOU !!!!)
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To: Qwinn
Pinging self for future reading.

Qwinn
80 posted on 11/15/2003 10:14:38 PM PST by Qwinn
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Recently turning to the age of 17, and having had a feeling of social inequality due to other "minority races" feeling unequally treated for a few years now; it brings me a great sense of satisfaction to see that some recognition of this issue is being debated. I am fed up with having political correctness shoved down my throat on how I should act and feel towards other people, especially by my English Language teacher who is the worst culprit. Yet even my English teacher is accountable by judging my background on skin colour (living in Britain). The impression I get is that so-called "opressed" sections in society are being told they should feel disadvantaged, even though they may have never experienced any discrimination, (evident in my english class on sexism, could be applied to race too)... My english teacher the sort of woman who would say (in some over-exagerrated hypothetical situation) to my sister (because she has very dark skin), you didnt get the job caus hes a white racist, yet to me (even though we have the same parents, an opressed and opressee), unlucky, but your white so ****! Living in a multi-cultural society, where different cultres are the norm, especially to the new young generation like myself, and being brought up to believe that everyone is equal in our democracy, and then learn later on in life that without people like my PC english teacher i would automaticly be racist, kick my mother out of OUR home country, and discriminate... is quite insulting!!! For PC people are saying (in my mind) that you cant be English because its racist, and you cant be English because your from Kenya...... that doesnt sound right to me! Imposing false boundries, and constantly catagorising people themselves based on stereotyping + rediculous generalisations, they have screwed it up as far as im concerned! In England it isn't getting any better, i get the impression people are becomming more bitter, and angry, and if PR was introduced then as every vote counts, its only better leverage for extreme right wing parties..... Sad and depressing.

I duno.... educate me... im a confused uneducated "rebell" young adult....
81 posted on 12/13/2003 3:09:15 PM PST by Versus444
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To: TheGrimReaper
...
...grim....

the aricle contains the sentence:

"....But deference will never redeem white authority..."

as well as"

"......White Guilt=Black Power....."
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Just curious.....(as we talk consantly of the COLOR- BLIND America in which we live.....)

What is "...White Authority....?"
(Is there a "Black Authority?".....i.e. why do you use the the term "Power" in regards other "colors" INSTEAD of "Authority?"

What could possibly be the meaning of the term "WHITE guilt?".......If the "guilt" is there, we, as Americans must accept it. Do we not say....(of the guilty)...."If you do the Crime, you must do the Time?"......Of course we do!

If what is being said is something like......"percieved racial wrongs" are being addressed......though they are not being handled totally properly..."...........well, what is so unusual about that?

The actual "concern" , or "issue" here is baffling....what is the "worse-case scenario" that has people so talkative on what seems like a badly described non-issue?

"powers", "authoritys", "white this," black that"....."dust in the wind, all it is is dust in the wind..."




82 posted on 12/13/2003 3:38:14 PM PST by onemoreday
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To: consultant

You got it, pontiac!
I am retired. My degree in honors physics gave me access to all sorts of work. I eventually ended up in software development.
African studies, moral equivalence of cultures that genitally mutilate 12 yr. old girls to that of the most moral country in the history of the planet (USA) is repugnant.

G-d bless America and her brave warriors.


83 posted on 01/18/2006 6:41:05 AM PST by americanSoul (Better to die on your feet, than live on your knees. Live Free or Die. I should be in New Hampshire.)
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