Posted on 01/10/2002 7:18:34 AM PST by JediGirl
That would be a major turnoff to religion for me.
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KJV says:
"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness."
The KJV language seems to match this recent finding rather well. The earlier observation had stars gradually forming over a very long period of time. This later observation has them forming at once, but still some time after the act of "creation".
I notice KJV still differentiates between "God" and "Spirit of God", and so far there doesn't seem to be any conflict between the revelation and the observation.
Here's a thought for you - when you see evidence of design, be open to the inference of a Designer.
Don't make me come down there...
God
So Jimer, you place your faith in the eternity of matter?
Do you believe your assertion is in any way provable, or that there is even any circumstatial evidence possible for it?
What could survive the singularity of a black hole, prior to the singularity?
The Bible gives a theory of the earth's (and man's) origin, which has survived 2000 years of scientific inquiry and study. Over the past 2000 years, new discoveries have been made only to realize that the Bible predicted it long ago.
Flame away, I will not stay long. These crevo threads are all the same: the same cast of characters spouting the same lines over and over. I do have respect for several of my opponents (RadioAstronomer, Physicist, ThinkPlease), even made friends with a few, although we will never agree on this matter. I can tell you that you will probably see (in addition to those who have already posted) medved, PatrickHenry, 1/1,000,000%, Exnihilo, Nebulis, RadioAstronomer, ThinkPlease, and OWK (not all inclusive) posting on this thread sooner or later (sorry if I misspelled a few).
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The universe started from a single point in space.
We, as a part of the universe have been travelling from this central point for more or less 15 billion years.
Astronomers say they can see things 14 billion light-years (9.46x10^15 meters) away.
This means that there must be 14 billion light-years of distance between us and the object being observed.
How could we possibly be that distant from any point in space unless we are ourselves, or the object in question is travelling at approximately the speed of light? Another option might be that both we and the object are travelling at half the speed of light in opposite directions.
This has never made sense to me.
Thank you for the compliment!
The ancient Greeks found the concept of trying to explain "Nothingness" a paradox.
Steve Hawking said, " Even where there is nothing, something is happening."
(An aside: The last quote sounds like Windows, doesn't it?)
FR proves that we come from a wide variety of perspectives, but we can unite under the Jeffersonian principle that: "The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground." --Thomas Jefferson to Edward Carrington, 1788. ME 7:37
The universe started from a single point in space.
We, as a part of the universe have been travelling from this central point for more or less 15 billion years.
Astronomers say they can see things 14 billion light-years (9.46x10^15 meters) away.
This means that there must be 14 billion light-years of distance between us and the object being observed.
How could we possibly be that distant from any point in space unless we are ourselves, or the object in question is travelling at approximately the speed of light? Another option might be that both we and the object are travelling at half the speed of light in opposite directions.
This has never made sense to me.
Yes, this idea is hard to grasp. Imagine an uninflated balloon. Put dots all over it with a marker. Inflate it. All the dots get further apart. Where's the center? On the surface of the balloon, there is none. The same thing is theorized to have happened with our universe in 3 or 4 dimensions, since the big bang. Space actually expands. Our distance from all stars and galaxies increases, just as the dots on the balloon are all further from each other. All we can say is the most distant objects are 15 billion light years away, and that far back in time. You can't tell the objective center from any point.
I think the result in the article is intuitive, based upon what we know of star formation and the early universe. Stars need some density of gas to form. The universe was denser in the beginning. Q.E.D. the rate of star formation was far higher in the past. What is surprising is that anyone ever thought it was a constant rate.
My little contribution to the ID discussion is: if the universe started from a singularity, why did the Big Bang happen? Why didn't stay a black hole? What force would be great enough to overcome the gravity of all the universe? That's my proof, or argument, for the existance of God.
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