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Video Captures Sept. 11 Horror in Raw Replay
The New York Times ^ | January 12, 2002 | ALAN FEUER

Posted on 01/12/2002 5:21:58 AM PST by sarcasm

The videotape is raw.

It shows the black wedge of an airplane slamming into the north tower of the World Trade Center. It shows commanders in the building's lobby scrambling to figure out how to send scores of firefighters into the burning building.

It captures the radio transmissions ordering everyone down to the lobby after the second plane hits. It shows the gout of dust and rubble as the buildings suddenly collapse. It shows the booted foot of a Fire Department chaplain who is being carried through smoke and the din of screaming. It shows the faces of anxious men only minutes before they die.

A brief clip of the first plane slicing through the north tower was seen by millions in the days after Sept. 11, but what has never been publicly shown is the rest of the 90-minute videotape. It was made by a French filmmaker who happened to be taping a group of firefighters in Lower Manhattan. It is a document of disaster from the inside: the impact, the rush to the emergency, the frenzied effort to establish a command post, the grays and whites and flaming oranges as both towers collapse.

Copies have made the rounds of city firehouses, and fire officials say they plan to use it as an investigative tool. The filmmaker says he wants to turn the tape into a documentary and give it to the families of the dead. It is anyone's guess whether it will one day be seen by the public.

While there are other tapes of ground zero on that day, none come close to capturing the catastrophe at such close range. It is an extraordinary view of history at the moment that it happens. It is so immediate, so vivid, so graphic, so raw that viewers can almost taste the bitter smoke in their throats and feel the grit of concrete on their teeth.

It begins at the corner of Lispenard and Church Streets, where Jules Naudet, the filmmaker making a documentary about the training of a probationary firefighter, is taping Battalion Chief Joe Pfeifer responding to a report of a gas leak under the street. After a meter reading is taken, the roar of a plane is heard.

The camera pans up to follow the path of the plane as it rams the north tower. There are expletives and flames and smoke.

It cuts to Chief Pfeifer in his squad truck, cruising toward the flames. He is on the phone and smoke is dribbling down the facade like water. The sirens have started already. "It's a big one," the driver says.

The next 20 minutes or so are given over to confusion, as Mr. Naudet and his camera rush into the north tower and capture Chief Pfeifer and his superior, Deputy Chief Pete Hayden, setting up a command post. They issue orders to their men and desperately work the telephones. An eerie calm has filled the lobby as firefighters muster and wait to be deployed. Their faces are filled with fear, with the damp anxiety that comes before a job.

The suspense of watching the tape is excruciating because the viewer knows exactly what is coming: a loud crash, like a bus running into a bridge abutment — the second plane. "Tommy!" someone yells. "Tommy! Another plane! Another plane!"

There is so much grit on the camera lens by now that Mr. Naudet has to scrub it with a rag.

There is a call to evacuate: "Everybody down to the lobby! All units down to the lobby!"

Smash. The firefighters jump. Another smash. Smash. Smash. Falling bodies or debris?

The men stare at the ceiling, wary, shaking their heads. Their eyes seem moist and bright. The camera pans to the mezzanine where employees, calmly bunched together, have started to evacuate in a long, tight line.

Back to Chief Pfeifer on the phone. A scrap of a nearby conversation: Now they're saying the Pentagon's been hit. Chief Pfeifer shouts to someone off-screen, "Do you have to dial nine to get out on this thing?"

Then it happens. The south tower starts falling.

It sounds like a gunshot. Then a wave crashing on shore. The camera goes up the escalator. The lens fades slowly to darkness, dust leaching away light. The tape is so hard to make out that there are only voices.

"Everybody all right? How's the way out of here?" The images seem as if they are underwater or seen through a wet shower door. Snow, infrared light.

"We've got to get everybody out! Let's go! We need some light!" Radio chatter. Screaming. "Where are we going?" "Sarge." "Hey Pete. Pete." "Chief Hayden" "We're lost." "Hey Joe, where are you?" "There's the escalator, right there." Top of the escalator. "Mike! Where's the escalator? We only got four guys. Mike, I need you. Mike!"

Daylight. Or the ashen gray of that day's light.

It is during this scene that a searing image appears: the booted foot of a dead man who is being carried by his brothers. The men carrying him later said the body was that of the Rev. Mychal Judge, the Fire Department chaplain, who perished.

Mr. Naudet had been with the firefighters on the street that day as he had been nearly every day for about three months, chronicling the life of a probationary firefighter at the downtown firehouse for Engine Company 7 and Ladder Company 1.

"We just happened to be there," he said in a telephone interview last night. "The true heroes are the incredible men who ran into those buildings and lost their lives."

Francis X. Gribbon, a spokesman for the department, said that both fire officials and the F.B.I. have a copy of the tape. For the Fire Department, it will be part investigative tool and part historical artifact.

"For some it has captured the last brave actions of a number of firefighters who went to save others," he said. "For others in the department, it will become what we use to try to definitively know who was where, and we think it has been helpful. It is very helpful. As evidence, it will help us to understand or piece together the activities that occurred in tower one, such as those companies reporting in." Mr. Gribbon added, "There's nothing else like it."

Mr. Naudet nearly lost his life himself when the north tower collapsed. In the tape, his camera lens goes blank in the storm of dust and wind, like a real eye clogged with grit.

"Chuff! Chuff! Chuff!" He tries to clear his throat. "Mayday! Mayday!" someone shouts. "You with me? It's hard to breathe."

It is dark again on screen and there are far-off yells, voices as if coming over water. The camera points straight down and captures a pile of ash-covered paper. It looks like the remnants of a blizzard, like a clip from a Buffalo weather report.

"Chuff, chuff. Chuff, chuff."

Chief Pfeifer lived, as did his superior, Chief Hayden. Capt. Terence Hatton, pictured at one point in the tape, is dead. Father Judge is dead as well. Lt. Kevin Pfeifer, Chief Pfeifer's brother, is also dead. Dozens of the faces in the tape are dead. Among those passing through its frames are Port Authority officials crucial in the evacuation and other civilians who bravely lent a hand.

The tape ends as suddenly as it starts. Mr. Naudet is almost choking, trying just to breathe. Someone shouts out, "Chief?" The camera stumbles through a doorway.

And then the screen goes blank.


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1 posted on 01/12/2002 5:21:58 AM PST by sarcasm
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To: sarcasm
Wow!

Thanks for the heads up.

This is history. On the line of filming the attack on Pearl Harbor.

Just reading the account leaves me breathless, and so grateful for all the men and women who gave their lives helping others.

greater love hath no man...

God bless them all.

2 posted on 01/12/2002 5:37:27 AM PST by Northern Yankee
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To: CheneyChick; vikingchick; Victoria Delsoul; WIMom; susangirl; one_particular_harbour; kmiller1k...
(((ping))))


3 posted on 01/12/2002 5:43:10 AM PST by Sabertooth
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To: 1John; A Citizen Reporter; ABG(Anybody but Gore); arazitjh; kayak; bamafour; bevlar; Billie...
My FRiends, I promise not to overuse this list; it goes to the "hole of offdisc files" after this.... but this subject is too important to ignore.... please bump your lists and suggest that we all use this:

Ignorance Making You Ill? Cure It!

to tell as many people as we can reach

"Make this tape public!"

It may be raw, but we all need to see this again and again, until it is as burned in our minds as the melted USS Arizona was to a generation of older Americans.

Never Forget!

4 posted on 01/12/2002 5:49:55 AM PST by backhoe
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To: backhoe;dennisw;watchin;VOA;harpseal;timestax;xJones;justshutupandtakeit;TopDog2;ThomasMore...
Never forget, and read post #4, please. We need to remeber and ensure people will never forget what happened on 9/11!

For a better tomorrow...

5 posted on 01/12/2002 5:58:34 AM PST by knighthawk
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To: sarcasm; All
Thanks so much for posting this. I was not aware of this tape--which makes me wonder, how many are? Backhoe, thanks for your link!
6 posted on 01/12/2002 6:15:54 AM PST by MizSterious
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To: backhoe; .45MAN
Thanks, backhoe. I may never be able to view this tape (I still can't look at some of the stills without becoming hysterical) but I'm glad that it exists.

God bless the heroes that died that day, God bless the victims and God Bless America!

7 posted on 01/12/2002 6:25:38 AM PST by dansangel
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To: golitely

The Taliban have learned
These Colors Will Not Run!

Make sure that you do your part to keep America's service men and women as PROUD OF AMERICA as we are of them.

__________________________________________________________________

.

I FORGOT

The recent events of Tuesday, Sept. 11 have brought death and destruction and sadness to so many people around the world. But It DIDN'T HAVE TO BE! Why is it, that all of a sudden we come together as a nation? Why does it take a tragedy of this magnitude to show our solidarity? The pictures from TV of complete strangers hugging each other in the streets of NYC brought tears to my eyes! For one brief moment in time we were truly a nation of one! All racial / ethnic / religious barriers came down! Blacks and whites helping each other Jews and Christians hugging and coming together! Why are we not ALWAYS like this ???? And HOW could we, the strongest country in the world let this happen!
Simply because WE FORGOT! EXACTLY WHAT THE TERRORISTS WANTED!

With everything that is happening in America today, all the new gun laws that our socialist politicians are attempting to pass, the problems in Klamath Falls with the ESA wanting to protect fish instead of America's farmers, the UN kicking the US off of the Human Rights Council, the U.N. vote to add Syria as a non-permanent member of the Security Council, Agenda 21, the New World Order, and on and on. It's just too much to think about for one man.

WHEN OSAMA BIN LADEN: declared a holy war against the US, I thought, what an idiot, then, I FORGOT!

WHEN OSAMA BIN LADEN AND HIS BUDDY, HEZBOLLAH: attacked the U.S. Marine barracks in Beirut in 1983 that killed 241 Americans, I thought This sucks! THEN I FORGOT

WHEN OSAMA BIN LADEN: bombed the Jewish cultural center in Argentina in 1994 that killed 95 people, I thought, oh my God this guy should be stopped! But then, I FORGOT!

WHEN OSAMA BIN LADEN: Bombed the World Trade center in 1993 (the first time), that killed 6 people and wounded over 1000, I thought to myself how horrible! Then, I FORGOT!

WHEN OSAMA BIN LADEN: Admitted to the 1995 bombing in Riyadh that killed 5 US servicemen, I thought, OH my God, what a tragedy! THEN I FORGOT!

WHEN OSAMA BIN LADEN: Had his terrorists attack the USS Cole (DDG-57) while it was refueling in port in Yemen on October 12, 2000. 17 sailors were killed and over 30 were injured in the bombing, I thought we need to stop these guys before they kill any more Americans. THEN I FORGOT!

WHEN OSAMA BIN LADEN: Was named in the June 25, 1996, terrorist truck bombing in Dhahran that killed 19 U.S. airmen, I was outraged! THEN I FORGOT!

WHEN OSAMA BIN LADEN: bombed the U.S. Embassies in Nairobi, Kenya, and Dar Es Salaam, Tanzania in 1998, I thought it was so sad, then, I FORGOT!

WHEN OSAMA BIN LADEN: Was prevented from a plot to hijack 12 planes in one day in Algeria, and blow them up, I thought GREAT work FBI! THEN I FORGOT!

WHEN OSAMA BIN LADEN: This past February, renewed his threat of a "jihad" or holy war against the U.S. and, in speaking to an Arabic newspaper, bin Laden said, "We had thought that the Riyadh and al-Khobar blasts were a sufficient signal to sensible U.S. decision-makers to avert a real battle between the Islamic nation and U.S. forces, but it seems that they did not understand the signal." I thought to myself this guy must be stopped! THEN I FORGOT !

WHEN OSAMA BIN LADEN: Sent his "punk ass" henchmen to fly airplanes into the Word Trade Center, killing what will probably be over 10 thousand people, and THEN fly an airplane into the pentagon and kill (NO MURDER) someone so close to me, I PROMISE YOU, I WILL NOT FORGET!

NOW! ITS F*&%&$ing PERSONAL!

Please, Please, Please, if you are reading this, don't look away when they show the airplanes flying into the buildings on TV, look at it over and over again !! Don't stick your head in the sand! Remember how despicable the act was, remember the loss of life, don't shield your children, use restraint, but help them understand it, and remember it! They are our future! You will go back to work, and resume your daily duties, but, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, DON'T EVER FORGET!

I assure you the terrorists around the world are counting on us to FORGET AGAIN! I fear the next time we will see a mushroom cloud on our beautiful horizon! Then it will be too late! All because WE FORGOT !

Maybe one of the reasons we won WW 2 , was because everyone.............................REMEMBERED PEARL HARBOR !

______________________________________________________________________________________________
There are American sailors and soldiers on ships, in aircraft and on the ground fighting to keep America safe. These servicemen and women don't want to be fighting the Afghans. They would much rather be home, like us with our families, our husbands, our boyfriends, our girlfriends, our wives and children. At night we sleep safely in our homes because of them!

President Bush is wrong! Don't go back to life as normal
Don't Forget who is protecting us, AMERICAN military troops!

Before you go to sleep, everynight, say a prayer that they will be able to avoid the dangers of WAR and come home to us, so that we may say, "Thank You".

_______________________________________________________________________________________

All Americans:

Keep this picture in your mind forever and the attack on the World Trade Towers, the death of those men, women and children will stay personal forever! When you get a peacelover whining in your ear, this is the cure. Six columns from the left, in the middle of the picture you see someone holding an infant out of the building trying to give it fresh air. These folks are all dead now! Keep this atrocity personal forever! Do not listen to the whiners and weepers about the civilian casulties that our pilots accidentally cause. Remember foremost the four thousand civilians who died in the attack on the World Trade Center Towers. This terrorist attack was an intentional mass murder of innocent civilians. So tell Reuters and CNN to go somewhere else with their 'sad stories'!

______________________________________________________________________________________________
Here is a great PBS show that Clinton made sure we didn't see. Look at it with your Real Player program.

America's Fifth Column ... watch PBS documentary JIHAD! In America -- here

 For better viewing download 8Mb file here

8 posted on 01/12/2002 6:27:54 AM PST by B4Ranch
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To: dansangel
I still can't look

I can certainly understand that... the important thing is to tell others that this tape exists and should be made available for those who need reminding.

9 posted on 01/12/2002 6:43:06 AM PST by backhoe
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To: sarcasm
I plugged in video tapes once i heard of the second crash. Katie Kouric and Tom Brokaw werent even paying attention to the screen for either of the collapses, Matt Lauer had to tell them while they were talking. On the second collapse, they almost missed it again. I have been viewing the tape the last couple days to post something interesting on my home page
10 posted on 01/12/2002 7:01:42 AM PST by RaceBannon
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To: backhoe
Index bump
11 posted on 01/12/2002 7:01:58 AM PST by ForGod'sSake
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To: backhoe;sarcasm
I found an article about this in De Volkskrant in Holland.

Video shows disaster in WTC from within the building

There is a video-recording that shows the 11 september disaster in the World Trade Center in New York from within the building itself. On this video is shown how there is being called for an evacuation of the northern tower. This the New York Times reported on saturday.

Also you can hear how a short time later the southern tower is being hit by an airliner and how the firedepartment-commander in the WTC is informed via telephone that there was an attack on the Pentagon as well.

The video is made by the Frenchman Jules Naudet, that was making a documentary about the education of firefighters in New York. Accidently he was that day filming near the WTC site. After the impact of the first airliner in the northern tower Naudet ran towards the tower.

Eerie silence

The first footage he made there shows how firedepartment-commander Joe Pfeifer and his superior Pete Hayden are establishing a commandpost in the building. They give their men oders and try to evacuate the building by phone. In the fronthall of the building is an eerie silence. The faces of the fireman are filled with fear.

Those who watch the video, the New York Times writes, is strained to the limit "because he knows just what is going to happen: a hard bang, like a bus that collides with a brigdepost, the second plane', "Tommy! Tommy! Another plane! Another plane!, somebody shouts. The lens of Naudets' camera is covered with dust and debris in such a way he has to wipe it clean to be able to film.

There are images of scared people that will die minutes later and from a firedepartments' chaplain that is being carried away amidst the screaming of wounded people.

Northern tower

The outside footage that Naudet made shows how a plane strucks the northern tower, were show just after 11 september. Almost no one knew about the footage of the building. The video was never released.

According to the New York Times it is questionable if the public will see the rest of the video. Copies have been showed in New York Firestation. It will also be used in the ongoing investigation. Naudet want to make a documentary from the video for the families and victims.

[END]

LEST WE FORGET!!!

12 posted on 01/12/2002 7:05:20 AM PST by knighthawk
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To: thud
ping
13 posted on 01/12/2002 7:05:45 AM PST by Dark Wing
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To: AnnaZ; Mercuria
documentary film BUMP
14 posted on 01/12/2002 7:07:39 AM PST by RonDog
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To: golitely
I read somewhere that there are more tapes. I read that at least one of the NY stations nearby have footage that will never be seen because it is so gruesome. Right after the tragedy I read, I believe on this board, that stations in Mexico were showing unedited footage that the US sations would not show. (Apparently of jumpers.) Who knows what is out there....
16 posted on 01/12/2002 7:16:42 AM PST by Clintons Are White Trash
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To: Sabertooth
THANKS for the BUMP !! !! !!
18 posted on 01/12/2002 7:18:38 AM PST by Alabama_Wild_Man
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To: Sabertooth
THANKS for the BUMP !! !! !!
19 posted on 01/12/2002 7:18:43 AM PST by Alabama_Wild_Man
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To: knighthawk
thanks for the ping!
I'm coping as much documentary evidence of 9-11 as I can for my personal files...
So when my neices and nephews tell me their school teachers are saying
the USA over-reacted to 9-11 by going to Afghanistan, I can show the little darling that
their teachers of full of --it.
20 posted on 01/12/2002 7:21:04 AM PST by VOA
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To: WTSherman4
Some of the footage was already aired many times (the only footage of the first plane hitting the tower).

On the rest of it I found this:

Two french filmmakers, brothers Jules and Gedeon Naudet, were making a documentary on firefighters and captured the only shot of the first hijacked plane slamming into the North Tower. They say they're so traumatized by last week's tragedy they may never complete their film. The brothers tell Reuters that several of the firefighters they had interviewed and become friends with were among those still missing in the wreckage. Says one of the brothers, "We've lost too many friends."

And this: Filmmakers still reeling after capturing first tower crash

By BOB LONGINO
Atlanta Journal-Constitution Staff Writer

At first, the taped footage appears routine, even tedious. New York firefighters are removing restraining bolts on a manhole cover. In seconds there is the roar of a Boeing 767 and the movie camera pans up, capturing on tape a devastating sight: American Airlines Flight 11 with 92 people on board smashing into the World Trade Center's north tower.

It's the only known footage of the initial terrorist attack, first seen the night of Sept. 11 on CNN, and was shot by Jules Naudet, a 28-year-old Paris-born filmmaker who happened to be about 10 blocks away with his 31-year-old brother Gedeon, shooting a documentary on a rookie firefighter.

The Naudet brothers, virtually unknown filmmakers who've had at least one boxing documentary -- "Hope, Gloves and Redemption: The Story of Mickey and Negra Rosario" -- play at smaller film festivals, have remained mostly silent about the horror they witnessed that day, declining to return phone calls to some news organizations.

"It's still too fresh in our minds," Jules Naudet said Tuesday by phone from the home he shares with his brother near New York's Whitney Museum of American Art.

"It's a bit too much," he said, when asked to describe the experience. "Maybe it's something I can talk about some other time."

But Naudet did discuss a few details, including correcting misinformation in the handful of news stories just now starting to emerge about the brothers.

For two months, the Naudets had been filming their documentary when a call on the morning of Sept. 11 about an apparent gas leak led them with firefighters to a manhole cover about 10 blocks away from the WTC. As Jules filmed firefighters preparing to remove the cover, the group heard the noise from the low-flying plane and, instinctively, they looked up. Jules, also operating on instinct, panned his camera skyward about 8:45 a.m. and, remarkably, framed the WTC's north tower as the plane slammed into the building. It was roughly 18 minutes before the second plane struck the south tower.

With cameras in hand, the brothers rushed toward the WTC along with firefighters, police and emergency teams.

They filmed for roughly five hours -- amid falling bodies, the collapse of both WTC towers, the swirling papers, the choking ash. They saw those who barely escaped. And they saw many who simply had no chance.

Contrary to at least one news report, Naudet said the FBI was not waiting at the brothers' home but were at the firehouse when they returned there. He also said agents did not, as has been reported, confiscate their footage.

"We volunteered all our tapes," Naudet said. "We are very glad to be of help."

Before the FBI took the Naudets' material, Jules duped the footage involving the WTC's north tower. The tape was sold to CNN via Gamma Press, a Paris-based photo agency that represented Naudet in selling the rights.

CNN would not disclose how much it paid.

21 posted on 01/12/2002 7:23:23 AM PST by knighthawk
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To: sarcasm
Never forget.

9.11.01 Tribute

22 posted on 01/12/2002 7:30:10 AM PST by wardo
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To: VOA
WHAT? Those !#%%#@^ are telling we overreacted with attacking the Afghanists terrorists? If you need my help on telling these wacko's their wrong just tell me. People like them are helping terrorists by making us look the other way again so the islamaniacs can do it again. If the 3,000 innocent lives ended by terrorists on 9/11 was not a justification of our bombing of the Taliwackers, then what is? Not only we protected our people, but also made their people (notibly the woman) more free. Just show these movies (from RAWA) to them and ask them if these things are not worth figting for so they cannot happen again.

The USA has fought for the freedom of my country and it's people and I am forever in debt with those who gave their lives for the freedom of others! It's time again the US is fighting for the freedom of others again!

23 posted on 01/12/2002 7:34:48 AM PST by knighthawk
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To: sarcasm
John, 15:13-Greater love has no one than this, that He lay down His life for His friends, his is the kingdom of Heaven.
24 posted on 01/12/2002 8:23:07 AM PST by classygreeneyedblonde
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To: backhoe;sarcasm
Hi Backhoe, thank you so much for pinging me. PLEASE keep me on your wonderful ping list !

One of our nephews is one of the firefighters in N.Y. Engine 205. He lost TWO of his Chief's and a total of 11 of his fellow firefighters that day .
Thank you so much for this thread sarcasm and for the ping backhoe.

25 posted on 01/12/2002 8:38:16 AM PST by Snow Bunny
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To: Sabertooth,maica,freee-dame
I guess we American "children" can't be trusted to watch this film. We might get too angry.
26 posted on 01/12/2002 8:40:55 AM PST by Travis McGee
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To: wardo
I just clicked on your link. It brought the whole horrible day back to me. I can never forget. ALL OF US MUST NEVER FORGET!! Every time I see pictures of the horror I can't stop crying. I remember I was posting on Free Republic when the plane hit and watched the whole thing unfold outside my office window. Me and my co-workers were crying and screaming as we watched the 2 planes go into the building. We were told to evacuate our building and just to go outside was scary enough because you didn't know what would happen when you got out. That day will be locked in my memory forever. :-(
27 posted on 01/12/2002 8:50:11 AM PST by areafiftyone
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To: Snow Bunny
Hi, SB... as I mentioned, I've moved that list off-computer because I did promise to not use it much- another FReeper composed it. I usually just pick up a few names as I surf the board. I used to compile lists, but after a period of getting few responses ( and not remembering who did or didn't! ) I tried the random grab technique I use now.
28 posted on 01/12/2002 9:30:09 AM PST by backhoe
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To: Clintons Are White Trash
You can bet if this was an ememy skyscraper that we bombed, CNN and everyone else would have showed the impacts of the bodies live to inflame hatred against America.
29 posted on 01/12/2002 9:31:43 AM PST by spycatcher
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To: RaceBannon
Television Broadcast Archive from Sept 11, 2001
30 posted on 01/12/2002 9:33:30 AM PST by spycatcher
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To: classygreeneyedblonde
John 13:26b-27a
So when he had dipped the morsel, he gave it to Judas, the son of Simon Iscariot. Then after the morsel, Satan entered into him.

31 posted on 01/12/2002 10:02:53 AM PST by AmishDude
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To: sarcasm; Sabertooth; Snow Bunny; Alamo-Girl; Republican Wildcat; Howlin; Fred Mertz; onyx...
Video Captures Sept. 11 Horror in Raw Replay
Incredible!
I didn't know this "secret" tape existed. . .

(((PING))))))
Please let me know if you want ON or OFF my ping list!. . .don't be shy.
32 posted on 01/12/2002 10:23:52 AM PST by MeekOneGOP
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To: sarcasm
bttt
33 posted on 01/12/2002 10:32:04 AM PST by LiberteeBell
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To: spycatcher
That is a great site - you can watch the whole day (or week) if you want to. The only thing wrong with it is that site has terrible bandwidth, so even with a cable modem, I'm stuck watching the smaller versions of everything.
34 posted on 01/12/2002 10:34:15 AM PST by July 4th
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To: Sabertooth
Thank you for the heads up!
35 posted on 01/12/2002 11:13:06 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: knighthawk
WHAT? Those !#%%#@^ are telling we overreacted with attacking the Afghanists terrorists?
If you need my help on telling these wacko's their wrong just tell me.


Not to worry much (yet...) knighthawk.
I should have said that my latest extant niece entered this world in late October, 2001.

But...if the general tide of the educational enterprise in the USA continues on it's
politically-correct, touchy-feeley, "let's not tell the truth because it'll hurt
somebody's feelings" path...I just want plenty of 9-11 images and recollections on hand
to tell the impressionable children that their teachers don't know what the Hades they
are talking about.

So...take five for now...but I'm just preparing for the future when the revisionists start
trying to use their erasers (of either the rubber type or digital) to convince
people that what happened on 9-11 (and thereafter) was really the fault of the USA.

The USA has fought for the freedom of my country and it's people and I am forever in
debt with those who gave their lives for the freedom of others! It's time again the
US is fighting for the freedom of others again!


knighthawk,
as a white guy from "flyover country" (Oklahoma/Kansas/Texas) in the
"middle age" of life, I can tell you I am mildly optimistic now.
I've been living in trendy Los Angeles (Brentwood/Westwood/UCLA area)
for about five years. Until about 5 PM of that day, I thought I might actually live in just
a northern suburb of Mexico City (given all the obvious arrivals from Mexico, undocumented
and/or documented).
Then the USA flags came out in such a mind-boggling proliferation like the blooming
of flowers in the spring...let me put it this way...it would have brought tears of joy to
the eyes of Frank Capra (director of many "love letter to America" films).

The utter low point of the country was the sad ending of the Vietnam conflict
(and the shabby treatment of our veterans and abandonment of the South Vietnamese
to "re-education" camps)...and the years of the Carter Administration (no matter how
intelligent/virtuous Carter was).

I didn't think I'd live to see/experience this era's equivalent of a Pearl Harbor.
The only thing that has stunned me more than that is how the country came together and
decided to do something about 9-11.
The USA isn't the only force of the "free world". But the USA does have to have the
courage to lead when the conditions dictate.
36 posted on 01/12/2002 11:13:28 AM PST by VOA
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To: MeeknMing
Thanks for the heads up!
37 posted on 01/12/2002 11:19:08 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: VOA
Phew, and I know what you mean, I live in the Netherlands, the worlds leading PC country...
38 posted on 01/12/2002 11:21:51 AM PST by knighthawk
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To: sarcasm
Francis X. Gribbon, a spokesman for the department, said that both fire officials
and the F.B.I. have a copy of the tape.
For the Fire Department, it will be part investigative tool and part historical artifact.


I'm not a lawyer, but I wonder if a "Freedom of Information" act might
extract a copy of this video from the F.B.I.

I respect those who argue that someone wanting to see this sort of video has a morbid
fascination with the events of 9-11.
But going with the maxim of "the truth shall make ye free", I can't help but think
that a general release of this 90 minute video (with appropriate added commentary
on the time-line and details) would be the greatest testimony to the bravery of the
NYC firefighters, police, and other officials.
As well as showing why the country had very little doubt that the responsible parties
needed to be hunted down and caught (or killed).
39 posted on 01/12/2002 11:38:20 AM PST by VOA
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To: B4Ranch;knighthawk
Keep this picture in your mind forever and the attack on the World Trade Towers,
the death of those men, women and children will stay personal forever!
When you get a peacelover whining in your ear, this is the cure. Six columns from
the left, in the middle of the picture you see someone holding an infant out of the
building trying to give it fresh air. These folks are all dead now!
Keep this atrocity personal forever!


Thanks for your post and commentary.
I'm no image-analysis expert, but I've read posts in which some claim that this image
doesn't show someone holding an infant out the window.
I DON'T CARE if it shows that or not.
The ANIMALS at the controls of two jet liners killed plenty of mothers and fathers and
virtually/spiritually killed their children (and future children) on 9-11.

My retort to peaceniks/whiners/revisionists/modern-day Neville Chamerlains?
"This war on terrorism is all about 11 seconds."

Usually after a few moment of trying to process this statement and asking me
what the h-ll I'm talking about I just calmly reply:
"That's about the time it would took a human body to fall from the upper
stories of a WTC Tower to the unyielding concrete pavement below...on 9-11"


Somehow, they just shut up and walk away after hearing that...

(The 11-second idea isn't mine...it was in an editorial from an industry magazine called
"Machine Age" posted here on www.freerepublic.com.)
40 posted on 01/12/2002 11:49:57 AM PST by VOA
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To: Sabertooth
It is during this scene that a searing image appears: the booted foot of a dead man who is being carried by his brothers. The men carrying him later said the body was that of the Rev. Mychal Judge, the Fire Department chaplain, who perished.

"Father Mychael Judge, the chaplain of the New York fire department for the past 10 years, had rushed to the scene and was administering the last rites to one victim. A chunk of debris dropped from the building, killing the priest as he prayed."

41 posted on 01/12/2002 12:46:53 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: sarcasm; Sabertooth
Your submissions please:
AMERICA ATTACKED/AMERICA GOES TO WAR: Online FReeper library -
Post your links to videos, photos, graphics, etc.
HERE

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42 posted on 01/12/2002 12:51:29 PM PST by ppaul
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To: Victoria Delsoul
The sanitization of the monstrosity of 9/11 by American media is something that we need to be vigilant to combat. Your post of Father Mychael Judge, the chaplain of the New York fire department, does exatly that.

Thanks, Victoria


43 posted on 01/12/2002 12:59:14 PM PST by Sabertooth
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To: B4Ranch
Never Forget Bump!
44 posted on 01/12/2002 1:00:58 PM PST by headsonpikes
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To: sarcasm
It begins at the corner of Lispenard and Church Streets, where Jules Naudet, the filmmaker making a documentary about the training of a probationary firefighter, is taping Battalion Chief Joe Pfeifer responding to a report of a gas leak under the street. After a meter reading is taken, the roar of a plane is heard.

The camera pans up to follow the path of the plane as it rams the north tower. There are expletives and flames and smoke.

That sounds exactly like a video clip that I viewed on the net--it's probably still out there (I think I found it on some news broadcast website).

45 posted on 01/12/2002 1:00:59 PM PST by Age of Reason
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To: Sabertooth
The sanitization of the monstrosity of 9/11 by American media is something that we need to be vigilant to combat.

Amen-to-that bump!
46 posted on 01/12/2002 1:03:13 PM PST by VOA
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To: sarcasm
Huge bump & thanks. JL
47 posted on 01/12/2002 1:03:21 PM PST by lodwick
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To: backhoe
I passionately agree with you that this tape should be made public, and right now.

And, I'll take my cue from you and use your words: Never Forget!

48 posted on 01/12/2002 1:05:45 PM PST by rdb3
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To: Sabertooth
You're welcome.
49 posted on 01/12/2002 1:07:26 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: rdb3
Thank you. I know this is grisly, gruesome material, but it needs to be burned into the brains of all Americans so they

Never Forget!

50 posted on 01/12/2002 1:13:57 PM PST by backhoe
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