Black Hills girl wins varsity (wrestling) match

The Olympian ^

[Olydawg]

TUMWATER -- Ginelle Marquez highlighted a 48-36 non-league wrestling win for Black Hills on Monday, winning by fall in the varsity 135-pound match.

All eight matches wrestled ended with pins. The other six were forfeited.

Marquez -- a senior in her third wrestling season with the Wolves -- pinned Montesano's Brandon Smith late in the first round at 135 pounds. It was her second career victory and first pin.

[Olydawg]

"We talked her into walking around the head and she had it tight."

At least he had this going for him.

You've got to feel sorry the kid she pinned, he will never live it down.

[Oldeconomybuyer]

My nephew's wrestling team featured a girl that won the league championship!

[Olydawg]

Are you serious? What weight division?

[Oldeconomybuyer]

She was probably about 100lbs or so. I saw her wrestle once and she was very good! Abiline, KS high school a couple of years ago. Frankly, I don't think this is THAT unusual in the midwest.

[r9etb]

You've got to feel sorry the kid she pinned, he will never live it down.

I have a friend who, while playing QB in high school, got his collarbone broken by a girl.

Of course, she was a 300-lb defensive tackle who started for Belle Glade High School, essentially the farm team for the U. of Miami. "She came through the line like it was tissue paper...."

[Olydawg]

Maybe I shouldn't be so surprised. In my neck of the woods this is rather unusual though. I imagine it would be rather odd wrestling a girl.

[Olydawg]

Amazing, though I would think getting pinned by a girl would be more humiliating. Did she attempt to play in college?

[Paradox]

Not too surprising. Anyone who has wrestled competitively knows that its all about speed, balance, leverage, and strength, in that order. I was one of the strongest guys on my wrestling team (weight lifter), but guys smaller than me would routinely tie me up in knots! Quite frustrating. Of course, once I learned how to wrestle pretty decently, it was another story all together.

[Rebelbase]

"Belle Glade High School"

I visited that High School for one reason or another when I was a kid about 30 years ago. The thing that stands out most in my mind was all the go-carts and mini-bikes the kids rode to school.

[UCANSEE2]

Don't forget endurance !

[Oldeconomybuyer]

This particular girl was just a good wrestler. She wore a special garmet on her torso so I don't think her sexuality was an issue at all. I do think the boys she whipped probably got a few jabs from their buddies.

[Callahan]

I wrestled a girl in a tournament my Sophomore year of high school. It was kind of a no win situation, since if you win you just beat up on a woman and if you lose, well...let's not even think about it. One of the guys on my team was actually dating this broad and he told me to really hammer her because he was sick of her trying to make a "statement" by going out for the wrestling team at her school. I wish I could say she was cute but she was more Rosie O'Donnel than Pamela Anderson. My coach just told me to get it over with. Anyway, she came straight at me like Hillary on Vince and I pinned her in 13 seconds with an arm bar. Ugly thing put up a fight though. I think she actually scored some points against some poor sap later that season. I feel sorry for the kid in the article. I don't mind losing to girls in tennis or golf, but not wrestling--unless its on a waterbed.

[r9etb]

Amazing, though I would think getting pinned by a girl would be more humiliating.

Probably so. OTOH, I'm guessing that her father doesn't have to worry too much about her dates' behavior.

Did she attempt to play in college?

I have no idea -- though as a female starter on at a perennial championship school, one would suppose so. At the very least, the teen-pregnancy prospects for a 300-lb defensive tackle seem limited....

[Pappy Smear]

Girls have no business wrestling boys in high school meets. As another poster said, it is all about speed and agility, along with strength. And I'm not saying girls can't beat boys, 'cause they do.

However, it is a no win situation for the boy. If he wins he beat a girl, no one is impresssed. If he loses, he is mocked.

I saw a wrestling meet with a girl. The guy had her down, and reached down and got a handful of beav. He immediately let go, it was pretty obvious, that it was a "oh, I shouldn't be grabbing there." So he gave up position, because of the sex difference. If my son ever goes out for wrestling, I would tell him to immediately forfeit if he has to wrestle a girl. Then I would tell him to go out for the girls volleyball team, as they do not offer boys volleyball. That would put the feminists in a quandary eh?

[Callahan]

Some guy around here went out for girls field hockey at a local high school. I don't know if it was a goof or what. He actually wore the skirt and everything! I think he was pretty good. Don't know if he made all-state.

[mountaineer]

he will never live it down.

I can imagine a kid killing himself over this sort of (perceived) humiliation. Teenagers are not the most rational creatures even under the best circumstances.

[Blackdakota]

Of course, she was a 300-lb defensive tackle who started for Belle Glade High School, essentially the farm team for the U. of Miami

The far team explains it..She sounds like a Mad Cow

[Nonstatist]

Anyone who has wrestled competitively knows that its all about speed, balance, leverage, and strength, in that order

Women have much less muscle mass then men, and thats usually the difference. There is the occasional exception, and before puberty girls at the lower weights in the kids leagues have some success. But if strength wasnt much of a factor you'd see a lot more females on High school teams, you can bet your bottom dollar on that!

[RedBloodedAmerican]

The don't hold a candle to The Cabbage Patch wrestlers!

[RedBloodedAmerican]

Spotnick's Cabbage Patch

Click on "Coleslaw Wrestling".

Now THAT is wrestling!

[RedBloodedAmerican]

WARNING: Some of the images are *ahem* changed since I saw this website last. And there is no warning. Click at own risk.

[PBRSTREETGANG]

If my son ever goes out for wrestling, I would tell him to immediately forfeit if he has to wrestle a girl.

Six matches in the above competition were forfeited. I wonder if this was the reason?

[Revelation 911]

he will never live it down.

Probably right - I smell a phych lawsuit against the school board for allowing them to promote a function that so damaged his psyche.

[Happygal]

*LOL*...I am not gonna even ask how you *ahem* stumbled across that website! *LOL*

Turned me off coleslaw mind you, thanks :-)

[AnalogReigns]

It's simply disgusting that the Feminists have pushed forward making girls and boys wrestle together. With things like this its really no wonder that many 3rd world countries who have traditional moralities find the USA a cesspool.

In such a "high touch" sport, one has to be able to reach and grab any part of the body, as I well remember in my own wretstling in PE. It's simply immoral that kids of the opposite sex--in puberty no less--should be asked to do this...besides the destructiveness of the boy's fragile adolescent ego. I wonder if any boys (or girls) have refused a match for (quite reasonable) religious/moral reasons--and I wonder the government schools' response to such...

[RedBloodedAmerican]

It's not that far from my house. Can't miss it when you hear 10,000 Harleys rumbling down the freeway to it.

[RedBloodedAmerican]

Going to be in Daytona in March?

[Wm Bach]

handful of beav

It's not too late to kill your account and join again in honor of Mrs. Cleaver's frustration.

[Tennessee_Bob]

So, how many frames did you have to use to get the panoramic view of the field???

Oh, btw, I think I'm going to move to Ireland.

[RedBloodedAmerican]

LOL!

I know; the website isn't that good at loading. They probably have a cheap server.

[thesharkboy]

handful of beav

[flim-flam]

Check out Joey's Wrestling Room if you have a greater interest in this subject. The Tiny Tornado looks tough!

[Tennessee_Bob]

I know; the website isn't that good at loading. They probably have a cheap server.

You know, everyone else's load times would be greatly reduced if you weren't sitting on the site constantly refreshing...the pictures aren't going to change...or get better, for that matter....

[conservatism_IS_compassion]

Then I would tell him to go out for the girls volleyball team, as they do not offer boys volleyball. That would put the feminists in a quandary eh?

All girl's sports exist as such by excluding (discriminating against?) boys.

As the father of two women and one man, I've seen the situation. My daughter gleefully played rec-league soccer, and enjoyed making rough plays. I just didn't have an answer for it; I could hardly forbid her playing a sport she enjoyed and played well when it was by rule not unisex. But it sure made me squirm.

The people who cheer the girl who plays little league baseball, never mind wrestles, with the boys are hypocrites if they do not demand the elimination of the discrimination against boys which inheres in girls' sports.

[wretchard]

I betcha she could get pregnant any time she wanted to. If a 300-lb, musclepacked gal took an interest in anyone short of an NFL linebacker they would have a hard time saying no.

[Paradox]

Don't forget endurance !

Oh boy, how could I forget! And its not aerobic endurance, its a pure anaerobic endurance, basically your body is in a state of heavy oxygen debt at all times! We had football players who were on the team and would DREAD wrestling practice, said football practice paled in comparison..

[Paradox]

Women have much less muscle mass then men, and thats usually the difference.

But when you wrestle in weight classes, its less of a difference. Sure, the strength difference makes a different, and all else being equal, strength will win, but as my humbling experience showed, skill can beat strength.

[rintense]

Hahahahahaa! Too cool- although I would personally never wrestle. Well, in school anyway. ;) Now I did want to play football but that got shot down right away. Too bad. They needed a place kicker badly...

[Nonstatist]

Skill beats strength, but you better not be a LOT weaker than your opponent. In that case, you better hope your opponent just joined the wrestling team the day before yesterday...

The best women at the college level cant touch the 3rd stringer at most Division 3 schools... Theres a girl on my kids high school team; Gosh knows why she goes to practice... (wait a second........ I know!)

[onedoug]

Ellie May Clampett bump.

[CROSSHIGHWAYMAN]

My nephew's wrestling team featured a girl that won the league championship!

Her name was Ellie Mae Clampett

[Steelerfan]

This actually happened to a friend of mine in middle school (7th grade). He was pinned by a girl and was teased so badly he ended up quitting the team. As several people have said, it is a no win situation for the guy. Win and it means you beat up a girl, lose and you will be taunted unmercifully. I remember actually trying to keep my weight up (the opposite of what wrestlers usually do) to avoid being put in the position of having to wrestle her.

The real answer would seem to be that if there are enough girls/women interested in wrestling let them have their own programs. This would address not only the competitiveness concern (and I do think there are situations in lower weight classes where that a female wrestler could be competitive) but also the real embarrasment to the participants that detracts from the activity when you have coed wrestling programs.

[TRY ONE]

Regarding Ginelle Marquez and/or younger sister Jenny, I don't know if the guys would like to see her wrestle but I know they would like to see her box.

[Steelerfan]

Props on the Lita post. As for #8, problem is if it fuels his fantasy life during the match, he is going to have even more to be embarrassed about!

[wrestlerchic]

I'm a wrestler on my high school team. I prefer to leave the "female" out that so many people usually put before wrestler when referring to me. I just want to be accepted as a wrestler, just as anyone else who wrestles wishes to be. I'm not out there to prove anything, I just love the sport more than anything. I (i know this may come as a surprise to many of you but it's true) agree with some of your posts on discrimination. I believe Title IX is being interpretted completely wrongly and that males should be allowed to participate in predominantly female sports as well. I've won 9 matches in the 2 years that I've been wrestling. Only 1 guy got visibly upset after I pinned him. Most of the others have came up to me and talked to me after the meet, just as the guys do with each other after matches. Even some of the guys that have beaten me have been impressed with how well I did and have said as much after the match when we talk. So, yes, girls can hang with the guys. And if you don't want girls wrestling guys, why don't you try promoting women's wrestling so that we can wrestle women instead of men. You shouldn't really try to push girls out of wrestling because in the end you will just end up hurting male wrestling teams due to the misinterpretation of Title IX.

[Steelerfan]

I agree with you on Title IX, and the current interpretation is hurting wrestling as a sport. A number of Division I schools have had to cut their programs because the "1 to 1" interpretation of Title IX makes it hard for to fund all male (or mostly male) sports with no female equivalent. I seem to remember reading that there are now several female programs at the collegiate level and that it is being considered as an Olympic sport, so maybe that will help things.

As for wrestling at the high school level, there are not many females interested in it, which makes it hard to start female only programs (correct me if your experience has been different). With few opportunities to wrestle in high school, there are obviously fewer people interested in college. I'm glad your experience has been positive and maybe that means things have changed in the years since I participated in the activity. But I still have to believe that there are a number of guys who would be pretty humiliated to lose to a female and enough people cruel enough in high school to tease them about it. And if that is the case, and it detracts from the experience of enough of the guy wrestlers, I believe the schools should have the right to ban it.

[Steelerfan]

Any thoughts on 48?