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Homosexual marriage: AB1338 resoundingly trounced
CitizenLink ^ | 01/15/02 | Pete Winn

Posted on 01/16/2002 8:48:00 AM PST by gohabsgo

Pro-family activists scored a major — if temporary — victory on Monday after a bill essentially legalizing homosexual marriage in California was tabled. But the battle could resume as early as next month, according to the bill's sponsor, who has pledged to continue the fight.

The decision to pull the bill from consideration came after pro-family citizens inside and outside California pressured state lawmakers and California Gov. Gray Davis, urging them to oppose Assembly Bill 1338. That bill would have created "civil unions" — the legal equivalent of marriage — for homosexual couples throughout the state.

But even as Assemblyman Paul Koretz, of West Hollywood, announced he was shelving the bill, he said he is planning to reintroduce the bill in the future. Scott Svonkin, Koretz's chief of staff, said the Assembly member was "holding the bill in order to reintroduce it as a different bill in February, or will introduce the same legislation in December of this year, for the next two-year session."

"It appears that there are still . . . some in the public that don't understand the difference between civil union and marriage," Svonkin said. Karen Holgate, policy director for the Capitol Resource Institute in Sacramento, said the truth is many Californians are discovering the truth about the bill, and do understand the difference — that AB 1338 would essentially grant homosexuals the right to marry. She added that while she is pleased the bill has been pulled, the war against the homosexual attempt to destroy marriage is continuing unabated.

"We cannot let up; we have to remain vigilant," Holgate said. "This is not a dead issue. . . . What we don't want to happen is for people to say, 'We won,' walk away and forget it and then ('civil unions' supporters) bring up the bill later this year." Focus on the Family President James C. Dobson, Ph.D., also warned the fight must continue.

"The battle is not over," Dobson said. "We have won a major skirmish, but the war is yet to be won." Holgate did credit pro-family activity for what is at least a temporary reprieve. The bill garnered a tremendous amount of attention —in the form of calls and letters to lawmakers — especially after Dobson called on his national radio audience on Monday to bring pressure against the bill. Holgate wants those calls to continue.

"(We still need) people's telephone calls to their own legislators — not just today, but next week, next month — to continually let them know, 'Do not vote on this bill, do not bring up same-sex marriage laws. ' "

In March 2000, 61 percent of Californians voted to pass Proposition 22, which defines marriage as exclusively between one man and one woman. "We thank God for this tremendous victory," said Randy Thomasson, executive director of Campaign for California Families.

But Thomasson warned that not only is AB 1338 coming back in another form, but other pro-homosexual marriage bills are likely waiting in the wings. The decision to pull the bill came as Capitol Resource Institute, Focus on the Family and Family Research Council held news conferences in California about the issue in key legislative districts.

The issue is galvanizing Californians as they find out about it, according to James Oviedo, who heads outreach and development efforts to the U.S. Hispanic/Latino community for Focus on the Family. Oviedo, who has appeared at several news conferences, said the Hispanic community of California is especially concerned.

For example, more than 150 people — an overwhelming majority of them Hispanic — showed up at a press conference in Bakersfield, Calif., on Saturday to send a message to Democratic Assemblyman Dean Florez. Many of the audience had traveled up to four hours to attend the gathering, Oviedo said.

"I told the Assembly member, 'Look out there. These are all Hispanic faces. What would you tell them — Does their vote count or is California going to try to ignore them?' " Oviedo said in response, Florez gave a ringing endorsement of traditional marriage.

TAKE ACTION. If you live in California, call your Assembly member today and urge him or her to oppose legalizing "civil unions." You can obtain contact information by checking the front of your local phone book, or by visiting our Legislative Action Center.

Also, call Governor Gray Davis at (916) 445-2841 with the same message. You can also write to the governor at: State Capitol, Sacramento, CA 95814, or fax him at (916) 445-4633.

If you live outside California, contact Gov. Davis' office at (916) 445-2841 (Sacramento) or (202) 624-5270 (Washington, D.C.)and urge him to oppose legalizing "civil unions."

For more information, see the Focus on the Family resource, "Keep Fighting Gay Marriage"


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To everyone who got involved in responding to this issue, you have proven that real grassroots conservatism can have an extraordinary impact on communicating reality to lawmakers. Thanks to Free Republic for permitting this fantastic resource to assist in informing the public, even when legislators and mainstream media decide to black it out. You have won a great victory, but the fight continues because the homosexual groups who want to deny you any moral judgements and conscience in your life, work it while you sleep. That's all they do. That's all they know how to do. Great job!!!!!!
1 posted on 01/16/2002 8:48:01 AM PST by gohabsgo
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To: gohabsgo
Praise God!
2 posted on 01/16/2002 8:51:38 AM PST by oc-flyfish
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To: gohabsgo
Give them 20 more years and the issue of the day would be the left-handed people agitating for the right to legally marry 'their' favorite limb, not that generic 'right hand'.
3 posted on 01/16/2002 8:52:33 AM PST by A Vast RightWing Conspirator
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To: gohabsgo
Too bad that this is happening in Kalifornia, because as Kalifornia gets more and more wacko left, they will eventually pass it. That is a safe prediction to make.
4 posted on 01/16/2002 8:52:40 AM PST by lormand
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To: gohabsgo
It seems that if these "pro-family" groups were so devoted to protecting the traditional family, their resources might be better spent trying to get legalization making divorce more difficult instead of worrying about gays - That's what destroys most families I know.
5 posted on 01/16/2002 8:52:56 AM PST by PFC
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To: gohabsgo
If we want to win the Hispanic vote in CA, this is the issue to use.
6 posted on 01/16/2002 8:53:47 AM PST by The Old Hoosier
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To: gohabsgo
Scott Svonkin, Koretz's chief of staff, said the Assembly member was "holding the bill in order to reintroduce it as a different bill in February, or will introduce the same legislation in December of this year, for the next two-year session."

Isn't that how ALL of CA's unpopular laws eventually get passed?

7 posted on 01/16/2002 8:55:30 AM PST by cake_crumb
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To: gohabsgo
Terrific news-tabled is BETTER than nothing! God Bless the Sovereign State of California. Common sense and integrity remain alive, if somewhat muted there!
8 posted on 01/16/2002 8:55:50 AM PST by Republic
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To: PFC
The shocking divorce rate, the illegitimacy rate and the spread of perverted behaviors like homosexuality threaten the moral foundations of this Republic.

Sexual intercourse was intended for the primary purpose of procreation and stregthening the pair bond. Its subversion for purely hedonistic functions has, in part, created the massive social disfunctions we currently view in our society.

We have the mainstream media, the entertainment industry and the college campuses and professors to blame for a good part of this problem.

10 posted on 01/16/2002 8:58:23 AM PST by ZULU
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To: PFC
what attempts to destroy families are bogus bills like AB1338 titled "Family Protection Act". Don't you think that's a nice title? Kinda conveys a clear impression as to what it is all about doesn't it.
11 posted on 01/16/2002 8:59:06 AM PST by gohabsgo
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To: gohabsgo
Hopefully this type of legislation wil never see the light of day. It is amazing that it has gotten this far. However, whether or not civil marriage rights are someday applied to homosexuals will be a mott issue given that corporations are already including same sex partnership benefits that unions are demanding. In some cases corporations are just adding these benefits in to the contract packages. So, financially, a civil marriage would not add much to already awarded benefits that homosexuals get.
13 posted on 01/16/2002 8:59:30 AM PST by eleni121
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To: madg
Oh, OK, sorry. Tabled. Happy?
14 posted on 01/16/2002 9:01:33 AM PST by gohabsgo
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To: gohabsgo
Good work!

However, the anti heterosexual gay agenda pushers never rest. They, their fellow maggots in the legislature, Davis and the major newspapers are now working on how to sneak this through while we are not watching!

If Davis starts to look like he might lose, these vile anti heterosexual gay agenda pushers will go into overdrive to get their main agenda passed and signed by Davis before he leaves! They would try to pass this after Christmas and have Davis sign it before he leaves us if he loses! They need Davis to sign any such anti heterosexual gay agenda hate bill!

15 posted on 01/16/2002 9:02:34 AM PST by Grampa Dave
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To: The Old Hoosier
Well, shiver me timbers......a gay marriage bill is resoundingly defeated in Commiefornia. Who'da thunk it? LOL!!!
16 posted on 01/16/2002 9:03:50 AM PST by RooRoobird14
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To: gohabsgo
GOD 1

SODOMITES 0

17 posted on 01/16/2002 9:06:15 AM PST by arly
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To: ZULU
Sexual intercourse was intended for the primary purpose of procreation and stregthening the pair bond. Its subversion for purely hedonistic functions has, in part, created the massive social disfunctions we currently view in our society.

Does that mean that infertile couples should also not be allowed to marry, since they can't procreate?

18 posted on 01/16/2002 9:07:42 AM PST by ellery
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To: gohabsgo
God willing, there won't be another attack, but Davis reclassified illegals as "undocumented" for in-state tuition purposes within a week of 9/11. He probably has a stack of bills waiting for the next terrorist attack.
19 posted on 01/16/2002 9:11:43 AM PST by evolved_rage
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To: eleni121
I sincerely hope all bills such as this are defeated! However, they may pass bills and make as rules in the workplace, but the simple fact is HOMOSEXUALITY WILL ALWAYS BE WRONG, PERIOD!! Nothing anyone does will ever make it right. This is simple fact and all liberals know it, which is why they work so hard to make us all believe it is okay. They know they can NEVER change the fact that it is wrong.
20 posted on 01/16/2002 9:15:55 AM PST by maeng
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To: *BRAAD; JMJ333; Tourist Guy; EODGUY; proud2bRC; abandon; Khepera; Dakmar; RichInOC; RebelDawg...
bump
21 posted on 01/16/2002 9:20:49 AM PST by Khepera
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To: gohabsgo
Batting 1000% so far on Freepers getting involved in the past few days on several subjects and making a difference. Job Well Done!
22 posted on 01/16/2002 9:21:05 AM PST by TatieBug
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To: gohabsgo
Talk about holding your finger to a dike...
23 posted on 01/16/2002 9:21:40 AM PST by Holden Magroin
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To: gohabsgo;Snow Bunny;68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub;whoever;ClancyJ;Iowa Granny
I didn't realize this victory would be so quick, I know it's not over but they are in retreat for now. I am so thankful for Dr. Dobson and letting the country know about this bill.
24 posted on 01/16/2002 9:31:12 AM PST by swheats
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To: Holden Magroin
We need to hold legislators accountable at election time for their vote on this measure. Perhaps if enough of them knew they might lose their jobs they'd be less inclined to shove gay marriage in our face come next time around. Still congratulations to the concerned citizens whose lobbying helped to get AB1338 tabled. Their efforts illustrate that if enough people speak out and get involved they can make a real difference. Let's not leave it to the other side to create the impression amongst our representatives they have nothing to risk in passing this bill that no one cares enough to fight for traditional family values. At a time when they're under constant assault they need to be defended more than ever.
25 posted on 01/16/2002 9:33:49 AM PST by goldstategop
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To: Khepera
Bump
26 posted on 01/16/2002 9:35:40 AM PST by Fiddlstix
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To: cake_crumb
Wouldn't it be nice to see the Ban on Partial Birth Abortion brought to a vote now that we have a President who wouldn't veto it.

Sorry, what was I thinking, it's not something the left wants, so it won't happen.

27 posted on 01/16/2002 9:37:08 AM PST by EODGUY
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To: gohabsgo
Thank-you for this post....

..and a heartfelt Thank-you to James Dobson for his unrelenting determination to protect families!!

28 posted on 01/16/2002 9:47:59 AM PST by Guenevere
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To: PFC
"...legalization making divorce more difficult..."

(I know you meant to type legislation.)

Yes, you're right about divorce destroying families. But making divorce difficult has been tried many times in the past in many western societies with discouraging results. Abandonment, adultery, domestic violence and other regrettable effects have only been amplified by restrictions on divorce. Moral suasion will have to do.

29 posted on 01/16/2002 9:54:40 AM PST by Bonaparte
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To: madg
...the bill was tabled for the time being. I hardly call that “resoundingly trounced.”

I do. The bill didn't even make it to the floor for a vote. That's how little support it had.

30 posted on 01/16/2002 9:56:20 AM PST by Bonaparte
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To: eleni121
"...corporations are just adding these benefits in to the contract packages. So, financially, a civil marriage would not add much to already awarded benefits that homosexuals get."

Good point, and we're all paying for those corporate benefits since those costs are structured into pricing, like everything else. But in my view, there are two things the homosexual lobby would accomplish by establishing "civil union" -- 1) a source of benefits that does not rely so heavily on continued employment with a company or on the continued viability of that company (the government is much more durable), and 2) official recognition of the "legitimacy" of homosexual pairings, not merely a patchwork of acceptance in the state's private sector.

31 posted on 01/16/2002 10:08:08 AM PST by Bonaparte
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"Does that mean that infertile couples should also not be allowed to marry, since they can't procreate?"

They can try, can't they? One might just as well ask whether married couples with "one child sterility" must have their marriages annuled. Infertility has been known to reverse itself, often unexpectedly and inexplicably, and more often than you might think. Then, of course, there is adoption. The whole point of marriage, to my mind, is the formation of a family unit on a solid moral foundation, which homosexuality does not provide.

32 posted on 01/16/2002 10:15:05 AM PST by Bonaparte
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To: eleni121
However, whether or not civil marriage rights are someday applied to homosexuals will be a mott issue given that corporations are already including same sex partnership benefits that unions are demanding.

The way that generally works, is that one local or state group will force an employer to add it in, then to deal with the implications of having different benefit arrangements in different states, the employer just makes it a blanket policy.

34 posted on 01/16/2002 10:35:02 AM PST by lepton
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To: ZULU
We have the mainstream media, the entertainment industry and the college campuses and professors to blame for a good part of this problem.

But they are simply tools and useful fools!

See the following links for education regarding the attack on American institutions, especially the family!

Gramsci vs. Tocqueville or Marxism vs. the American Ideology
http://www.FreeRepublic.com/forum/a3a54bec871fa.htm

The Gramscian Roots of America's Culture War Thread 2 (Is Gramsci the Father of Neo-Conservatism ?)
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3a3bc78569bf.htm

Who is Antonio Gramsci? You Better Learn!!!
http://www.FreeRepublic.com/forum/a3a4c610569be.htm

YATES: "Understanding the Culture War: Gramscians, Tocquevillians and Others"
http://www.FreeRepublic.com/forum/a3a56d02c2a1b.htm

Original Sin
http://www.FreeRepublic.com/forum/a3b80051c3e46.htm

35 posted on 01/16/2002 10:36:20 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: oc-flyfish
see above links!
36 posted on 01/16/2002 10:37:16 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: ellery
Does that mean that infertile couples should also not be allowed to marry, since they can't procreate?

There is no basis for them getting the legal benefits... This gets overlooked because infertility between heterosexuals is generally a questionable thing, and so it slides by. Between homosexuals, it is obvious and needs no deeper intrusion to determine.

37 posted on 01/16/2002 10:39:54 AM PST by lepton
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To: ZULU
Well said!!!
38 posted on 01/16/2002 10:40:07 AM PST by Bigg Red
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To: Bonaparte
At its most basic, marriage is a contract for procreation. Societies which intend to continue, give one form of benefit (or at least relief) or another to those that will carry the burden of bringing forth the next generation.

If there is no procreation, then those with the benefits are simply gaming the system so as to illegitimately transfer benefit rights in an essentially arbitrary manner - with the exception of family members.

40 posted on 01/16/2002 10:45:48 AM PST by lepton
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To: PFC; gohabsgo
It seems that if these "pro-family" groups were so devoted to protecting the traditional family, their resources might be better spent trying to get legalization making divorce more difficult instead of worrying about gays - That's what destroys most families I know.

Well, PFC, yes, divorce is another horror that threatens the family, but that does not mean that we should focus on it alone and ignore other threats to society such as what the pro-perversion crowd wants to bring upon us. What homosexuals do in private is between them and God, and I will not intrude. But, when they insist upon involving the rest of us, we must fight back.

To all of your Californians who stood up for the family, kudos.

41 posted on 01/16/2002 10:47:59 AM PST by Bigg Red
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To: M.T. Cicero
The whole "Family" and "Fertility" argument is a red herring used by the anti-gay movement to conceal thier real motivations, which is namely bigotry.

Homosexuality is a behaviour, not a state of being. The term "bigotry" is misused and doesn't apply.

Next.

42 posted on 01/16/2002 10:48:07 AM PST by lepton
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To: M.T. Cicero
God.
43 posted on 01/16/2002 10:50:25 AM PST by Bonaparte
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By that logic so is heterosexuality. Care to try another?

Why? I didn't abuse the language so as to mislead.

45 posted on 01/16/2002 10:54:57 AM PST by lepton
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By that logic so is heterosexuality. Care to try another?

Why? I didn't abuse the language so as to mislead.

Sorry. That was unneccessarily harsh on my part.

Why? I didn't abuse the language.

46 posted on 01/16/2002 10:55:59 AM PST by lepton
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The issue is why two persons of the same sex should not be allowed to enter into the same legal agreement as two persons of opposite sex.

O.K. See post #40.

48 posted on 01/16/2002 10:59:01 AM PST by lepton
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But making divorce difficult has been tried many times in the past in many western societies with discouraging results. Abandonment, adultery, domestic violence and other regrettable effects have only been amplified by restrictions on divorce

I would be interested where the stats/studys are on this information you presented..
I believe divorces are extremely too easy in this country and having a mandatory "waiting" period of at least one year, could eliminate many broken families.
49 posted on 01/16/2002 11:01:20 AM PST by usastandsunited
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