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Scientists' findings viewed as puzzling in light of global trend
Washington File, US Embassy, Bucharest, RO ^ | Jan. 14, 2002 | Peter Doran, Univ. of Illinois, Chicago

Posted on 01/22/2002 7:56:47 AM PST by madfly

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KEYWORDS: enviralists; globalwarminghoax; green; michaeldobbs
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1 posted on 01/22/2002 7:56:47 AM PST by madfly
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To: madfly
More recent evidence of Global Warming Meltdown.
2 posted on 01/22/2002 7:57:59 AM PST by madfly
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To: madfly
BUMP
3 posted on 01/22/2002 7:59:21 AM PST by Aurelius
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4 posted on 01/22/2002 8:00:42 AM PST by madfly
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To: madfly
The scientists report that the latest findings are puzzling because many climate models indicate that the Polar Regions should serve as bellwethers for any global warming trend, responding first and most rapidly to an increase in temperatures.

Haha! Well, of course they would find it puzzling.

For the same reason I find Edgar Rice Burrough's Science Fiction stories about Mars puzzling!

The suveyors and landers and orbiters have NOT FOUND ANY CANALS, nor kingdoms, nor swashbuckling heroes!!!!

What is WRONG with them!

Help...I am so PUZZLED! Hahahaha!

5 posted on 01/22/2002 8:02:24 AM PST by Gorzaloon
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To: madfly
This is Truly HORRENDOUS NEWS!

Global Warming, (created by Man doncha know) is now responsible for BOTH ever-increasing temperatures AND ever-DEcreasing temperatures.

The Globla Warming experts have got you now!
6 posted on 01/22/2002 8:05:10 AM PST by Maelstrom
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7 posted on 01/22/2002 8:06:37 AM PST by madfly
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To: Gorzaloon
I found this out a few years back and am still kicking myself for not keeping track of the reference. Whenever you see stuff like this, their is never actual evidence, just heresay, but I guess I will contribute. I saw some actual numbers in a scientific study and it showed the earth as warming every year. The rate at which it warms however, is decreasing. This can be related to an increasing velocity and a decreasing acceleration. Maybe we have hit the peak and are starting to get cooler. Will greenpeace and the left start a Global Cooling campaign now?
8 posted on 01/22/2002 8:10:05 AM PST by THROW?
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To: madfly
Global warming of the atmosphere is a result of global cooling of major land masses.

The Ice Age Cometh.

9 posted on 01/22/2002 8:11:13 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum
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To: madfly
Run for your lives!!!!! Global cooling!!!

Save the ozone!!!

Freon!! We need Freon!!!

10 posted on 01/22/2002 8:12:12 AM PST by Doomonyou
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11 posted on 01/22/2002 8:14:18 AM PST by madfly
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To: madfly
Not so fast, this is the Southern Pole, the Northern Pole reports that eskimo hunter's are vanishing from falling through formerly thick ice, the tree line is moving northward, eskimo's with sun burn, talking about butterflies and swans being farther north than ever before.

If one pole melts and the other freezes more won't that put us out of balance? Won't the Earth begin to wobble on it's axis? I'm not a scientist, of course, but I would sure like to hear someone in the knows opinion about what this could mean.

12 posted on 01/22/2002 8:15:10 AM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: madfly
More recent evidence of Global Warming Meltdown.

Never fear - the greenies will always find some way to retrofit their doomsday scenario to not only account for this, but to make it sound as if this is actually an indication that things are even worse than they previously thought....

13 posted on 01/22/2002 8:17:49 AM PST by general_re
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To: MissAmericanPie
If one pole melts and the other freezes more won't that put us out of balance? Won't the Earth begin to wobble on it's axis? I'm not a scientist, of course, but I would sure like to hear someone in the knows opinion about what this could mean

I would appreciate a knowledgeable opinion also.
I have read about a possible Pole-Shift. Don't know
what effect that would have
on atmospheric conditions or gravitational pulls.
Make that a knowledgeable, apolitical opinion.

14 posted on 01/22/2002 8:20:15 AM PST by madfly
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To: MissAmericanPie
It means virtually nothing. Neither pole will "melt". One or both may recede somewhat. Then come back. There will be an Ice Age in a few thousand years, based on the fact that Ice Ages seem to come in cycles of 12000 years or whatever, assuming this cycle continues of course.

Statements like "swans are farther north than ever before" can not possibly be substantiated. No one knows where swans were in the year 8,765 B.C. And even if this is true, and the tree line is moving farther north, what does this mean? Is it bad? Why?

The temperature of the Earth is not in "equilibrium". It does not and was never meant to stay exactly the same everywhere. It changes and evolves. It is different in different places and the rate at which it changes is different in different places. Sometimes it will warm, sometimes it will cool, and most of the time it will do both in different places.

That is the nature of the planet on which we live. Any large scale cycles are probably due to sunspots or variations in distance from the sun. But whatever the reason, change in the Earth's temperature is to be expected.

This would be true even if humans and our smokestacks didn't exist. Temperature change doesn't necessarily have anything to do with our activity. Neither is there necessarily anything we can possibly do about it, other than adapt to it.

To agonize and worry about it and think of it as a political issue is stupid. It's like making volcanoes a political issue - "stop the volcanoes!" The real reason some politicians use this issue is because scaring the populace into seeing natural temperature change as a human-caused, human-solvable "problem" ends up giving them more power. That's it. It's all about power.

15 posted on 01/22/2002 8:28:06 AM PST by Dr. Frank fan
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16 posted on 01/22/2002 8:30:30 AM PST by madfly
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To: Dr. Frank
Thanks for responding, you know science use to be non-political, they just presented the facts without putting a political spin on it. Now you don't know what to make of the information they come out with, you can't trust it anymore.
17 posted on 01/22/2002 8:31:25 AM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: Dr. Frank
"Stop the Volcanoes!" Bump. ;^)
18 posted on 01/22/2002 8:35:16 AM PST by headsonpikes
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To: madfly
This is really strange:
PRESS AND CULTURE SECTION
U.S. EMBASSY, BUCHAREST ROMANIA

Homosexual Ambassador causing problems.
Little attention was drawn to Michael Guest's homosexual relationship with his "partner" during his confirmation process as President Bush's ambassador to Romania. However, those working under Guest in Bucharest now find it difficult to avoid his flaunting of the relationship, according to an American embassy worker who recently spoke with FRC.
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19 posted on 01/22/2002 8:39:47 AM PST by SlickWillard
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To: MissAmericanPie
Won't the Earth begin to wobble on it's axis?

The Earth in fact does wobble on its axis, once every ~26,000 years. This phenomenon is known as "precession of the equinoxes".

20 posted on 01/22/2002 8:40:56 AM PST by jpl
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To: general_re
Global Warming is the greatest theory ever created. No matter what evidence surfaces, it proves the accuracy of the theory.

That's some serious scientificking going on.

21 posted on 01/22/2002 8:45:12 AM PST by dead
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To: jpl
Yes, but I had in mind a far more serious wobble that would effect, seasons, weather, climate in general, like that.
22 posted on 01/22/2002 8:45:15 AM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: Dr. Frank
Hear! Hear! Well said!
23 posted on 01/22/2002 8:45:24 AM PST by doc11355
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To: madfly
I would appreciate a knowledgeable opinion also. I have read about a possible Pole-Shift. Don't know what effect that would have on atmospheric conditions or gravitational pulls. Make that a knowledgeable, apolitical opinion.

None. The earth has actually switched polarities many times over the years w/ no effect on anything other than minerals in rocks line up in the opposite direction.

Gravitation will have no effect since the earth will have the same mass (this includes the air and surronding particles, not just stuff on or in the earth). Even in a relative manner, any mass change would be like putting a grain of dust on a bowling ball.

24 posted on 01/22/2002 8:45:47 AM PST by THROW?
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25 posted on 01/22/2002 8:47:08 AM PST by madfly
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COOL, THANKS
27 posted on 01/22/2002 8:52:39 AM PST by THROW?
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To: THROW?
Thanks
28 posted on 01/22/2002 8:54:35 AM PST by madfly
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To: dead
Global Warming is the greatest theory ever created. No matter what evidence surfaces, it proves the accuracy of the theory.

Well, yeah! You sound vaguely surprised.

Come on - think, man! If you had an ordinary, mundane theory that was pedestrian enough to be falsifiable, you'd be running the risk that the gravy train might come to a screeching halt someday. No more grants, no more conferences in exotic locales, no more papers in prestigious journals, no more payments from the media to appear and give your "expert" opinion on the impending collapse of the ecosystem, et cetera, et cetera. It may not be "science" in the traditional sense, but you can bet that there are some bona fide scienticians hard at work spending your money to tell you you're a slob.

Sheesh, I bet you're the type who gets all wound up about the "facts" and the "truth". You'll never get tenure with that attitude, my friend....

29 posted on 01/22/2002 8:56:22 AM PST by general_re
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To: madfly
Ah, the proverbial monkey wrench and painting yourself into a corner have reared their ugly heads. How can we now make our Global Warming Models work with this puzzling datum?
30 posted on 01/22/2002 8:57:05 AM PST by Quicksilver
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You know that the true believers will simply dismiss this evidence. Claim that our sampling of Antarctica temperatures is incomplete and therefore unreliable. The other explanation that they will use is that Global warming as expected has caused a shift in the Oceans currents, which no longer bring the warm water from the north down to the Contentment and that is the explanation for the counter trend of cooling.
31 posted on 01/22/2002 8:57:45 AM PST by Free the USA
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To: Free the USA
Looks like yours is a good reply to post #30!
Unfortunately.
32 posted on 01/22/2002 9:01:33 AM PST by madfly
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To: madfly
Give me a couple scientist andI can tell you anything.

Not only that but I'll make up reports and give them to Congress

and they will make laws of these reports.

It's ashame that Congress can be so easily lead and take our freedm from us.

Let me give you an example, the clean air act. Carol Browner over ruled her own board of scientist on particle matters.

Here you have one person making decisons for our whole country.

I live in Maryland, I could take every car off the road, shut down all businesses, and I still would not come up to the regulations of the clean air act.

It's all a joke

The scientist from the U.N. make up most of these reports.

33 posted on 01/22/2002 9:02:56 AM PST by expose
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To: Free the USA
The Giant Turtles that hold up the world and are based in Antarctica have stopped fa*ting. This has countered the increase in belching in the northern hemisphere. Thus, no global warming.
34 posted on 01/22/2002 9:03:16 AM PST by ZeitgeistSurfer
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To: ZeitgeistSurfer
LOL
35 posted on 01/22/2002 9:05:13 AM PST by Free the USA
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To: madfly
Office of International Information Programs and National Science Foundation

all of them N.G.O of the U.N!!!!

37 posted on 01/22/2002 9:05:57 AM PST by expose
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To: jpl
This just in:
SOLAR STORM

The Resurgent Sun

by Dr. Tony Phillips

for NASA Science News

Huntsville - Jan 21, 2002

Evidence is mounting that some solar cycles are doubled-peaked. The ongoing solar maximum may itself be a double -- and the second peak has arrived.


Of course increased solar activity is not giving the expected warming effects, so if it were not for the double solar maximum, earth would be cooling now.
39 posted on 01/22/2002 9:10:36 AM PST by RightWhale
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To: Doomonyou
An obvious point that few of the ozone freaks want to face. The earth has never maintained a norm. It has been under constant change for over 250 million years. This really hurts their science projects because they have only collected real data for roughly 60 years. And the global warming type data has only come about in the last 20 years so they really don't have much of a pool to draw from. And the icing on the cake is that we have absolute evidence, historical evidence, that the earth runs in cycles anyway. We are heading back, ever so slowly, toward the global cold spell. It may be over 6,000 years away, but it will eventually return and most of the region from North Dakota north will not be able to support communities. Sad story for the global warmies....they had such a great story and plenty of chances to appear on Larry King...and now...their whole story is falling apart.
40 posted on 01/22/2002 9:11:54 AM PST by pepsionice
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To: expose
Office of International Information Programs and National Science Foundation all of them N.G.O of the U.N!!!!

Exactly! All of them having conferences and symposiums and then reports, white papers, blah blah blah. A lot of the Conferences are during Summer break and many take place on University Campuses where our future leaders are mis-informed, to put it mildly!

41 posted on 01/22/2002 9:12:56 AM PST by madfly
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To: dead
No matter what evidence surfaces, it proves the accuracy of the theory.

Absolutely. And whatever your point of view, you can always find a "credible" agency that will spew out temperature statistics for you "your way," just like Burger King. Global temps are warming or cooling depending on who provides the data. I just read in Sunday's (ultra-liberal) local paper how NOAA data "proves" the globe is heating up.

42 posted on 01/22/2002 9:20:36 AM PST by Bernard Marx
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To: madfly
Thanks for the heads up!
44 posted on 01/22/2002 9:31:39 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: madfly
This reminds me of the time that the professor was sure the island was sinking. Then they found out that Gilligan was moving the professors stick deeper and deeper into the lagoon to catch bigger crabs.
45 posted on 01/22/2002 9:35:43 AM PST by biblewonk
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To: MissAmericanPie
Not so fast, this is the Southern Pole, the Northern Pole reports that eskimo hunter's are vanishing from falling through formerly thick ice, the tree line is moving northward, eskimo's with sun burn, talking about butterflies and swans being farther north than ever before.

Hmm...guess I just never noticed.

46 posted on 01/22/2002 9:43:16 AM PST by eskimo
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Are those reports of lost hunters, and the rest, eskimo's with sun burn bogus?
47 posted on 01/22/2002 9:44:49 AM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: pepsionice
Thank you for pointing this out.

I've maintained that extrapolating global warming theory from the existing data is like extrapolating your name, address, and phone number from the color of shirt that you're wearing today.

Futhermore, their computer modeling is based on the same systems that can't accurately predict the temperature for my hometown tomorrow. And they're using them to forecast temps on a global scale 100 years from now? Give me a break.

48 posted on 01/22/2002 9:45:48 AM PST by wbill
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To: MissAmericanPie
It means that, as has been true for about 500 million years or so, the climate is ALWAYS changing.

Would somebody remind the imbeciles who purport to be scientists (and the reporters possessing half the IQ of those guys) that we've had around a half dozen ice ages and sudden global melts in the past million years. The last one was a couple thousand years shy of human recorded history.

Man, I've got kids of school age and I'm really tired of having to correct all the nonsense their teachers fill their heads with.

49 posted on 01/22/2002 9:57:25 AM PST by katana
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To: Dr. Frank; madfly
To agonize and worry about it and think of it as a political issue is stupid. It's like making volcanoes a political issue - "stop the volcanoes!" The real reason some politicians use this issue is because scaring the populace into seeing natural temperature change as a human-caused, human-solvable "problem" ends up giving them more power. That's it. It's all about power.
Thank you BUMP for that.

I've always thought it was so egomaniacal for humans to take CREDIT blame for something when geologists, et al have shown that there are normal warming/cooling cycles (hence as you discuss, Ice Ages that occur and recede), and that our influence over Mother Nature is insignificant at most.

I strongly feel you are correct regarding the political/power attributes of this situation.

50 posted on 01/22/2002 10:11:22 AM PST by MeekOneGOP
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