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GAY PRO-LIFE LEADERS ARRESTED AT NATIONAL PRO-LIFE MARCH
www.PLAGAL.org ^ | Jan 22, 2002 | PLAGAL

Posted on 01/23/2002 6:22:00 AM PST by helmsman

Washington, D.C. January 22, 2002. Leaders of the Pro-Life Alliance of Gays and Lesbians (PLAGAL) were arrested today at the 29th annual March for Life. The arrests were conducted by the United States Park Police by direct orders of Miss Nellie Gray the March for Life Leader and holder of the permit, according to the Park Police.

PLAGAL President Cecilia Brown and Vice-President Eric Jurek were at the March for Life for the sole purpose protesting the 1973 Supreme Court decision which legalized abortion-on-demand. They were simply carrying the PLAGAL Banner -- which states the organization's name and "Human Rights Start When Human Life Begins." Brown, Jurek, and the rest of the PLAGAL delegation were approached by the officers and ordered to remove the offending sign. Consistent with their deeply held pro-life convictions, they refused. Police back-up arrived at the scene. At that time, though not resisting arrest, Brown and Jurek were wrestled to the ground and dragged to an area away from the crowds were they were handcuffed and taken away.

"How can Miss Gray claim to stand for the dignity of all human life while at the same time denying gays and lesbians our dignity in openly defending the rights of all human beings to life?" asked PLAGAL Vice-President, Ms. B.A. Keener. She then went on to comment, "Most every group that attends the March for Life openly identifies itself with signs and banners -- be they Feminists, Democrats, Catholics, etc. It seems that PLAGAL has been targeted by the leadership of the March for Life simply because of their sexual orientation. PLAGAL and its leaders have a long and solid history in pro-life activism."

"Nellie Gray, in a meeting a few years ago, stated PLAGAL may participate in the March for Life so long as we do not identify ourselves as lesbians and gays," stated Moses Remedios, VP for Media Relations. "That's as offensive as telling an African American, 'you can ride on the bus, but just sit in the back.'"

Prior to the arrest Brown stated, "PLAGAL participates in the March because we believe in positive, life-affirming alternatives to the tragedy of abortion. To say that we have no place for open participation in the pro-life movement is not only counter-productive, but it simply wrong." She then went on to say, "We urge Miss Gray to set aside her personal biases, and "FREE THE MARCH" for Life, by allowing all peaceful, pro-life groups to stand in solidarity with women and the unborn."

We are appalled that Miss Gray is incapable of setting aside her personal sentiments against gays and lesbians, thus prohibiting, with the use of police force, our open participation in the pro-life movement," stated Ms. Keener who went on to say, "By this malevolent act and to her detriment, Miss Gray has moved the focus of the March for Life away from the protection of the unborn -- where it belongs -- to the participation of lesbians and gays."

All those wishing to express their disgust with the March for Life for this malicious and divisive act of exclusion are encouraged to contact the March for Life at info@marchforlife.org. For pictures and the latest information on this developing story please visit our website at http://www.plagal.org.


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To: ravingnutter
My take on this is that they want more children to be available for adoptions so the bar will be lowered for them.

Of course. It's unthinkable that they might have an agenda that does not involve self-gain (rolls eyes).
121 posted on 01/23/2002 9:17:29 AM PST by Dimensio
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To: ArGee
Most people who believe in atheistic morality simply have no idea how much their culture has influenced their thought patterns.

"Atheistic morality" simply implies a morality uninfluenced by any form of theism. As such, it's not a defined construct so much as a definition of what it isn't. In other words, there isn't any single "atheistic morality" -- any morality uninfluenced by theism is "atheistic" in nature and there are any number of ways it could be expressed.
122 posted on 01/23/2002 9:19:23 AM PST by Dimensio
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To: Dimensio
It's unthinkable that they might have an agenda that does not involve self-gain

Not unthinkable, but perhaps unusual.

Shalom.

123 posted on 01/23/2002 9:19:44 AM PST by ArGee
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To: Dimensio
"Atheistic morality" simply implies a morality uninfluenced by any form of theism.

I "hear" you, but I can't figure out whether you're disagreeing with me, agreeing with me, or simply typing.

What point were you trying to make?

Shalom.

124 posted on 01/23/2002 9:21:31 AM PST by ArGee
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To: ArGee
""Atheistic morality" simply implies a morality uninfluenced by any form of theism."

I "hear" you, but I can't figure out whether you're disagreeing with me, agreeing with me, or simply typing.

What point were you trying to make?


I get annoyed when people refer to "atheistic morality" as some terrible force of the 20th century, because you're placing blame on a property. It is possible to be an atheist, adhere to an "atheistic morality" and still be prolife.

I'm also pedantic to a fault.
126 posted on 01/23/2002 9:25:08 AM PST by Dimensio
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To: Dimensio
Er, that is "abscence of property", not "property". Sorry.
127 posted on 01/23/2002 9:25:41 AM PST by Dimensio
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To: madprof98
Agree, agree, agree.

Nellie Gray does the pro-life effort a huge disservice, year after year, by excluding the very good people of PLAGAL. She is a disgrace to the cause and should step down immediately.

Wide ranging and unexpected voices such as those of PLAGAL, Pro-life atheists, Vegetarians for Life Feminists for Life strengthen and enrich the anti-abortion message in ways that all the Bible quoting in the world cannot.

Ms. Gray has been holding the annual March for Life hostage for too long.

128 posted on 01/23/2002 9:30:23 AM PST by hillsborofox
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To: Dimensio
It is possible to be an atheist, adhere to an "atheistic morality" and still be prolife.

Of course it is, but it is impossible to know how much of your "atheistic morality" is caused by being raised in the United States, with a very theistic morality as its social undergirding.

Is it possible that if all the prolife atheists had been born in China that they would be fully in favor of the forced abortions the Chinese demand?

BTW: I notice that whenever someone wants to share their problems with homosexual attraction you are right there to take the opposing viewpoint. Just for my own edification, which of the following do you have trouble with?

  1. That we believe homosexual behavior to be perversion?
  2. That we attempt to persuade others to share our belief?
  3. That we think their perversion can be a problem for our social fabric?
Shalom.
129 posted on 01/23/2002 9:38:40 AM PST by ArGee
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To: Canavan; onyx; JMJ333; ArGee; Khepera; Notwithstanding; wwjdn; proud2bRC
"There were hundreds of other banners there, proclaiming "Hibernians for Pro-Life", "Kansans for Pro-Life", "Pro-life Moms." etc etc

Do you really mean to imply that identifying themselves as Hibernians, Kansans and Moms is comparable to a group idenfiying itself based on sexual persuasion/behavior that is not only morally corrupt, but also remains illegal in many states in our nation?

Do you think the Hibernians, Kansans or Moms would have refused to participate in the Pro-Life march if they were asked to leave their signs on the bus? The answer is an obvious no! Why then did the members of Plagal refuse? Again, the answer is obvious. They were more interested in being identified by their homosexuality than by their "pro-life" convictions.

130 posted on 01/23/2002 9:39:27 AM PST by EODGUY
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To: helmsman

They seem pretty sincere with the pro-life cause. People will have to judge for themselves if they have a hidden agenda. Some people have brought up that these people want more babies available for adoption. Maybe that's a valid argument, maybe not. Maybe abortion is just as squeamish to anti-abortion homosexuals as it is to anti-abortion heterosexuals.

So far I have no problem with them marching. Nellie Gray can prevent them from speaking as a guest if she wants, but let them witness to other homosexuals about the evils of abortion if they want. It's about the cause, the preborn victims, not the people running the show.

131 posted on 01/23/2002 9:41:53 AM PST by CounterCounterCulture
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To: AmericanInTokyo
"IMHO, it seems to be a subtle, clever ploy to promote the gay agenda within prolife circles (infiltration, co-option, slick PR) "

The PLAGAL members whom I've met and worked with simply aren't that way. Your supposition is wrong. But even if they were recruiting, they still belong and in fact strengthen the pro-life argument. Their voice is as legitimate as your own.

132 posted on 01/23/2002 9:42:28 AM PST by hillsborofox
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To: ArGee
BTW: I notice that whenever someone wants to share their problems with homosexual attraction you are right there to take the opposing viewpoint. Just for my own edification, which of the following do you have trouble with?

That we believe homosexual behavior to be perversion?
That we attempt to persuade others to share our belief?
That we think their perversion can be a problem for our social fabric?


I don't have trouble with you believing 1 or 3 -- that's your decision. I don't agree with 1 or 3 however. In either case, I don't have a problem with 2 -- you are free to share you beliefs with others if you choose.
133 posted on 01/23/2002 9:45:58 AM PST by Dimensio
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To: pubmom
I agree, something is wrong.

I don't know, but I wouldn't want "Adulterers for Life" marching in the "March for Life" either.

134 posted on 01/23/2002 9:46:50 AM PST by Aquinasfan
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To: madprof98
"PLAGAL and similar groups (like Feminists for Life) have been trying for years to get media coverage of their opposition to abortion. "

Ten years ago or so, Nellie Gray tried unsuccessfully to exclude the Feminists for Life Executive Director from speaking with all the other recognized groups at the March. I guess she doesn't like feminists either.

135 posted on 01/23/2002 9:48:36 AM PST by hillsborofox
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To: Aquinasfan
Or how about "Pedophiles for life?"
Ugh.
136 posted on 01/23/2002 9:49:52 AM PST by pubmom
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To: EODGUY
I liked your statement and borrowed from it

What correlation is there between "deeply held pro-life convictions" and the inability to follow the orders of a policeman who is performing his duty and is considered to have authority over you.

137 posted on 01/23/2002 9:51:38 AM PST by Khepera
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To: helmsman
Thank you Nellie Gray. This supposed homosexual organization is just a front, a guise to create publicity and turmoil within the pro life movement, because it knows that most pro lifers are anti homosexuals.
138 posted on 01/23/2002 10:00:09 AM PST by eleni121
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To: helmsman
By the way, has the media reported on the March For Life? I haven't seen anything anywhere.
139 posted on 01/23/2002 10:05:35 AM PST by eleni121
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Anybody who wants to know why the pro-life movement is held in such deep suspicion by most mainstream Americans--including many who oppose abortion--should read this thread. It's all here: the parochialism, the paranoia, and the hatred of those who are different. Nellie Gray has plenty of company, but not enough to sway even the Republican Party, let alone the Congress, to her side.
140 posted on 01/23/2002 10:17:01 AM PST by madprof98
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