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GAY PRO-LIFE LEADERS ARRESTED AT NATIONAL PRO-LIFE MARCH
www.PLAGAL.org ^ | Jan 22, 2002 | PLAGAL

Posted on 01/23/2002 6:22:00 AM PST by helmsman

Washington, D.C. January 22, 2002. Leaders of the Pro-Life Alliance of Gays and Lesbians (PLAGAL) were arrested today at the 29th annual March for Life. The arrests were conducted by the United States Park Police by direct orders of Miss Nellie Gray the March for Life Leader and holder of the permit, according to the Park Police.

PLAGAL President Cecilia Brown and Vice-President Eric Jurek were at the March for Life for the sole purpose protesting the 1973 Supreme Court decision which legalized abortion-on-demand. They were simply carrying the PLAGAL Banner -- which states the organization's name and "Human Rights Start When Human Life Begins." Brown, Jurek, and the rest of the PLAGAL delegation were approached by the officers and ordered to remove the offending sign. Consistent with their deeply held pro-life convictions, they refused. Police back-up arrived at the scene. At that time, though not resisting arrest, Brown and Jurek were wrestled to the ground and dragged to an area away from the crowds were they were handcuffed and taken away.

"How can Miss Gray claim to stand for the dignity of all human life while at the same time denying gays and lesbians our dignity in openly defending the rights of all human beings to life?" asked PLAGAL Vice-President, Ms. B.A. Keener. She then went on to comment, "Most every group that attends the March for Life openly identifies itself with signs and banners -- be they Feminists, Democrats, Catholics, etc. It seems that PLAGAL has been targeted by the leadership of the March for Life simply because of their sexual orientation. PLAGAL and its leaders have a long and solid history in pro-life activism."

"Nellie Gray, in a meeting a few years ago, stated PLAGAL may participate in the March for Life so long as we do not identify ourselves as lesbians and gays," stated Moses Remedios, VP for Media Relations. "That's as offensive as telling an African American, 'you can ride on the bus, but just sit in the back.'"

Prior to the arrest Brown stated, "PLAGAL participates in the March because we believe in positive, life-affirming alternatives to the tragedy of abortion. To say that we have no place for open participation in the pro-life movement is not only counter-productive, but it simply wrong." She then went on to say, "We urge Miss Gray to set aside her personal biases, and "FREE THE MARCH" for Life, by allowing all peaceful, pro-life groups to stand in solidarity with women and the unborn."

We are appalled that Miss Gray is incapable of setting aside her personal sentiments against gays and lesbians, thus prohibiting, with the use of police force, our open participation in the pro-life movement," stated Ms. Keener who went on to say, "By this malevolent act and to her detriment, Miss Gray has moved the focus of the March for Life away from the protection of the unborn -- where it belongs -- to the participation of lesbians and gays."

All those wishing to express their disgust with the March for Life for this malicious and divisive act of exclusion are encouraged to contact the March for Life at info@marchforlife.org. For pictures and the latest information on this developing story please visit our website at http://www.plagal.org.


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To: imvho
Nonsense. This was a calculated PR move from its inception, designed to focus attention on homosexuals.

Mission accomplished.

51 posted on 01/23/2002 7:34:21 AM PST by He Rides A White Horse
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To: AppyPappy
What exactly were they arrested for? They must have done something that warranted arrest--disrupted the main rally, trespassed, refused to obey the orders of a police officer, etc. Whatwere they charged with specifically?
52 posted on 01/23/2002 7:36:37 AM PST by RooRoobird14
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To: helmsman
I also believe there's more to this story than we're hearing.

They were simply carrying the PLAGAL Banner -- which states the organization's name and "Human Rights Start When Human Life Begins

By the way, according to this post, their banner said nothing about life beginning in the womb, only what I see above.
53 posted on 01/23/2002 7:38:10 AM PST by firewalk
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To: Belial
First arrest the fundies. They're even more annoying.

Yes, you are correct. Those Islamic fifth columnists and their friends will be troublesome down the road.

54 posted on 01/23/2002 7:39:45 AM PST by He Rides A White Horse
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To: old school
I don't think they'd bother to form an organization if all they did was go around antagonizing people. I'm pretty sure that at least a part of their time is spent being upset that abortion is chosen by millions of women to remove their "inconvenience."
55 posted on 01/23/2002 7:40:12 AM PST by GraniteStateConservative
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To: madprof98
I agree. The stated purpose of the March for Life is to lobby for the "Paramount Human Life Amendment." That amendment contains no reference to homosexual acts or contraception. When the official mission statement of the March for Life includes opposition to homosexual acts or contraception, then those can rightly be taken into account when it comes to inclusion or exclusion in the March.

I don't support the "Paramount Human Life Amendment" or any Constitutional amendment regarding abortion, because to do so is to accept that Roe v. Wade was an interpretation of the Constitutional text as it now stands. There is, of course, no basis in the Constitution for a liberty to kill babies. Thus, the proper answer to Roe is for Congress to remove abortion from the jurisdiction of the Supreme Court, and for the Governors to defy the Supreme Court, to nullify Roe and all the other decisions that assert a right to kill babies.

56 posted on 01/23/2002 7:40:23 AM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: Belial
Then again, it appears that homosexuals and Islam is a good mix. Perhaps that is why California is the way it is.
57 posted on 01/23/2002 7:41:42 AM PST by He Rides A White Horse
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To: helmsman
"How can Miss Gray claim to stand for the dignity of all human life while at the same time denying gays and lesbians our dignity in openly defending the rights of all human beings to life?" asked PLAGAL Vice-President, Ms. B.A. Keener.

Not that I'm not happy to welcome more people to the pro-life movement, but hey - it must be real easy for them to be pro-life, since according to the latest medical research there's very little chance of any conception happening within any member of their ranks.

Unless, maybe one night after a drunken binge, they stumble inebriated into the sperm bank's freezer, and then wake up the next morning with a hangover and an empty test tube, but I digress.


59 posted on 01/23/2002 7:43:21 AM PST by Alex Murphy
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To: helmsman
Were they truly pro-lifers they would have played by the rules. Nellie Gray knows what she is doing. I have always trusted her judgment and direction.
60 posted on 01/23/2002 7:43:42 AM PST by Renatus
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To: helmsman
What you're saying is that only people who live strictly by Christian teaching are allowed into the pro-life movement.

Actually the poster probably believes only people who live strictly by Christian teaching should be allowed to be in America. You're talking to a wall.

61 posted on 01/23/2002 7:45:20 AM PST by GraniteStateConservative
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To: helmsman
Well, unfortunately, some baies have died as a result of homosexual activity - artificial insemination of lesbians. Some lesbians do not want boys. I was once at a party where I was the only straight woman - and one woman there asked a pregnant woman if she would abort the child if it was a boy. Fortunately the answer was no, and the child was a boy, but the question was not considered offensive, and the expectation and the practice were not out of the normal within that community.

I have met and had lunch with some men from PLAGAL, found them to be likable with the exception of one gossipy old queen who had it in for the Catholic church. They said they were generally much better received by pro-lifers than by the homosexual community. And no, I don't approve of homosexuality, but we have all sinned and having them arrested for participating in a pro-life rally (which is no sin) will neither bring them from sin nor bring anyone else to recognize the evil of abortion.

Mrs VS

63 posted on 01/23/2002 7:46:20 AM PST by VeritatisSplendor
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To: VeritatisSplendor
baies = babies

typing behind some window that won't close

64 posted on 01/23/2002 7:49:27 AM PST by VeritatisSplendor
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To: helmsman
I agree. We have to come to agreement on some issues and this seems to be one of them. Perhaps there's more to the story but it seems a little overboard to me. As long as they were behaving and not pushing their own cause, why all this commotion? Gays are humans, too, and if we can come to an agreement on this issue, then so be it!
66 posted on 01/23/2002 7:51:56 AM PST by Marysecretary
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To: VeritatisSplendor
Good answer!
67 posted on 01/23/2002 7:53:27 AM PST by Marysecretary
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To: helmsman
What Bible verse are you refering to that says the perverted will get to heaven without repentence?
68 posted on 01/23/2002 7:53:59 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit
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To: imvho
Whatever..........call it what you want, but as far as I'm concerned, this is what it appears to be.

A group of people who are always motivated by their own desires being consistent yet again in that respect. Again, nothing but a selfish PR move conceived and executed for the sole purpose of deflecting attention to themselves, as always.

Have fun trying to BS the others.

69 posted on 01/23/2002 7:54:18 AM PST by He Rides A White Horse
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To: mountaineer
Nellie Gray has pro-life people arrested, but she accepted a telephone call from a man who says that it is part of his job to cooperate in the killing of babies. George W. Bush and his Attorney General are committed to enforcing "laws" that cause the arrest and prosecution of people who attempt to prevent an abortionist from killing a baby. Such arrests and prosecutions have taken place under Bush and Ashcroft, which means that Bush and Ashcroft have made themselves actual accomplices in the killing of actual babies, while professing to be "opposed" to the killing.
70 posted on 01/23/2002 7:55:55 AM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: helmsman
The sinner needs our presense more than the believer. If pro-life gay want to join the ProLife movement, it provides and opportunity for Christians to spread the word. If done properly and compassionately, who knows what wonders will happen. Remember, Christ socialized with the undesireables of his time (prostitutes, tax collectors and etc) because he knew they needed his teachings alot more than the believers.
71 posted on 01/23/2002 7:56:33 AM PST by Fee
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To: FourtySeven
Personally, I'm fascinated that such a subculture exists. Gay pro-lifers! Just goes to show you when you think you've seen it all, you haven't, especially in this country.

My take on this is that they want more children to be available for adoptions so the bar will be lowered for them.

72 posted on 01/23/2002 7:57:13 AM PST by ravingnutter
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To: imvho
Thank you for reposting madprof98's excellent post. I was fairly certain when I created this thread that I was going to be standing alone against a hostile army (that's alright, I often do), but you folks have shown that there are at least some here who can appreciate the wrongness of what happened yesterday. And, hey, as madprof pointed out, we're on Father Frank's side in this one. I like our chances...
73 posted on 01/23/2002 7:58:16 AM PST by helmsman
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To: helmsman
Was Ms. Gray the elderly lady with, um, purple hair? I was there for the first time yesterday and after about the five hundredth time she got up to talk I was getting sick of her. I mean, I'm sure she's a nice person who's been organizing this march and such, but, well, she's not the best public speaker, is she? And pulling a dumb stunt like this sure isn't going to help the cause!
74 posted on 01/23/2002 8:00:23 AM PST by JenB
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To: helmsman
Yes, but many of us have come to our pro-life convictions based not on religious teaching, but on rational examination.

That's what you think, but your rational viewpoint has been prejudiced by being raised in a culture with a primarily Christian morality. If you had been raised in Sparta, you would not think that a prolife stand was rational at all.

Most people who believe in atheistic morality simply have no idea how much their culture has influenced their thought patterns.

Shalom.

75 posted on 01/23/2002 8:02:03 AM PST by ArGee
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To: helmsman
"Nobody is suggesting that Nellie Gray should have adopted the beliefs or lifestyle of the members of PLAGAL, only that she should have allowed them to protest alongside other pro-lifers in unity."

I couldn't agree more.

BUMP

76 posted on 01/23/2002 8:03:50 AM PST by Artist
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To: Khepera
Arresting homosexuals is good for society and the nation. It should be done whenever these people flaunt their lifestyles in public. Its for the children.

Actually, arresting anyone who disagrees with ME is good for society and the nation. It should be done whenever those people flaunt their deviant thought processes in public. It's for the children.

77 posted on 01/23/2002 8:04:21 AM PST by Poohbah
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To: Belial
First arrest the fundies. They're even more annoying.

Oh, really? People who spread their values via persuasion are more annoying than people who spread their values via coercion?

I respectfully disagree.

Shalom.

78 posted on 01/23/2002 8:04:36 AM PST by ArGee
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To: helmsman
Good for Miss Gray. Really GOOD! I wouldn't want PLAYGAL, I mean, PLAGAL marching with me, either. So what if this group pretends it cares about the unborn. It hurts a wonderful cause like Miss Gray's to have an organization that wants to braodcast itself as perferring same sex sex to march alongside. I mean, WHO, containing even an OUNCE OF COMMON SENSE, really believe that bedroom sexual preferance has any business being broadcast ANYWHERE. Miss gray knows that the focus of many would be directed at the sign the homosexuals carried, everyone wondering why people who want to braodcast deviant homosexual proclivities were there. Let the homosexuals have their own marches, where they can parade their dildos and the other sick stuff we have all seen. These homosexuals simply want to latch on to a huge event to make it appear to the rest of America that others think they are upright, accepted and part of the mainstream. Sorry. WRONG!
79 posted on 01/23/2002 8:04:57 AM PST by Republic
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To: steve-b
This idea is the only thing that distinguishes humans from lower beasts.

Hmmm, I would hate to see your definition of a human being.

Shalom.

80 posted on 01/23/2002 8:05:47 AM PST by ArGee
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To: Artist
Howdy Artist. Thanks for the bump!
81 posted on 01/23/2002 8:05:56 AM PST by helmsman
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To: imvho
Several years ago, I participated in a March for Life in DC and was amazed, after a day of solidarity around the pro-life cause, to see Nellie Gray stand up and launch into a denunciation of homosexuals. As far as I could see, it was completely unprovoked. Whatever her opinions or those of anyone else on the subject, we were not there for that reason, and it seemed to confuse a number of people in the crowd. Someone near me told me told that Nellie Gray sometimes let her personal obsessions get in the way of her very fine pro-life work, and I guess this is still the case.

I remember once someone asked Dorothy Day why she would associate with non-pacifists (she was a near-fanatical pacifist, of course) on other issues, and she replied that people had to agree upon what they could agree upon in a particular context, and leave the other disputes for some other time and place. Very sensible advice, I think. After all, the next generation won't even have the fun of arguing about homosexuals - if the next generation is never born. This is too crucial a matter to alienate any supporters whatsoever.

82 posted on 01/23/2002 8:06:12 AM PST by livius
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To: helmsman
So is it really so important, then, that those who would like to help protect the unborn are morally pure?

From the point of view of them being active in protecting the unborn? No. But I prefer not to march with them.

Shalom.

83 posted on 01/23/2002 8:06:51 AM PST by ArGee
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To: Belial; Khepera
Arresting homosexuals is good for society and the nation.

First arrest the fundies. They're even more annoying.

Pretty much the same thing. I hate to be crass, but when's the last time you think that march organizer actually put out? I know it's rude to talk about, but people around here seem to obsess over what homosexuals do in the bedroom with excruciating detail.

When I see some 28 year old male virgin boasting on TV about how he's never even Frenched a girl...if anyone is in need of one of those ex-gay ministries it's people like that.

84 posted on 01/23/2002 8:08:33 AM PST by Cu Roi
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To: Arthur McGowan; helmsman
I haven't seen either of you comment on whether you would want Klansmen for Life or Ganstas for Life in the rally.

Is every enemy of my enemy my friend?

Shalom.

85 posted on 01/23/2002 8:08:56 AM PST by ArGee
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To: VeritatisSplendor
but we have all sinned

But do we all claim that our sins are not sins and demand that G-d accept them?

There is a slight difference.

Shalom.

86 posted on 01/23/2002 8:10:51 AM PST by ArGee
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To: BeforeISleep
They were simply carrying the PLAGAL Banner -- which states the organization's name and "Human Rights Start When Human Life Begins

I think it is possible that they were there to convey by delusional analogy the message that "Pro-Life = Pro-Homosexual".

Getting arrested was also probably another one of their intended objectives.

Cordially,

87 posted on 01/23/2002 8:11:17 AM PST by Diamond
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To: ArGee
That's what you think, but your rational viewpoint has been prejudiced by being raised in a culture with a primarily Christian morality.

Well that's interesting. I was brought up in a broken home (you have no idea how broken) in the middle of liberalville and I'd been pro-abortion (not merely pro-choice mind you, but pro-abortion) for most of my life. You know what changed my mind? I opened an embryology textbook...

88 posted on 01/23/2002 8:12:23 AM PST by helmsman
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To: JenB
"And pulling a dumb stunt like this..."

After starting your comment by deriding the way she looks, you follow by drawing a conclusion based on (at most) half of the facts.
Have you ever heard of a "discerning spirit"? That is when you "intuitively" get a clue as to the true motives of another.
The homosexuals ALWAYS have first and foremost the pushing of thier agenda no matter the venue.
Boy Scouts, 2nd Amendment, charity/community service work, politics, police work, armed service, saving babies from slaughter. It doesn't matter, they ALL come second to The Homosexual Agenda.

90 posted on 01/23/2002 8:15:34 AM PST by Psalm 73
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To: helmsman
You know what changed my mind? I opened an embryology textbook...

I'm glad to hear it (and sorry to hear how you were raised and glad to see how you have not let that shackle you - but I digress). But why do you care what happens to somebody else's baby?

Shalom.

91 posted on 01/23/2002 8:15:55 AM PST by ArGee
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To: imvho
I am deeply disturbed that a single woman is attempting to dictate who can and cannot declare him or herself a pro-lifer.


93 posted on 01/23/2002 8:18:13 AM PST by steve-b
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To: helmsman
HMMM, There's more to this story, IMHO. There were seveal of us Freepers there, and I can say, the walk was peaceful and very well done. Everyone there was in their best behavior, with lots of prayers being said, and lots of singing. Something doesn't make sense.
94 posted on 01/23/2002 8:19:32 AM PST by Teacup
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To: Cu Roi
"I hate to be crass, but when's the last time you think that march organizer actually put out?"

Oh, that's a real mature comment. What are you, like 12?

95 posted on 01/23/2002 8:21:25 AM PST by Psalm 73
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To: Psalm 73
I see you conveniently neglected to quote the rest of my post. I am not the one who takes an undue interest in the sex lives of others. That would be Miss Gray, and a number of others on this forum.
96 posted on 01/23/2002 8:23:35 AM PST by Cu Roi
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To: helmsman
Darn. Grey has now, with this single action, given pro-choice groups ammo with which to discredit the pro-life movement.
97 posted on 01/23/2002 8:24:29 AM PST by cake_crumb
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To: ArGee
But why do you care what happens to somebody else's baby?

I know where you're going with this, but I refuse to entertain the notion that a reasoning individual cannot see the inherent injustice in murdering another individual who is innocent. If only to preserve a general respect for human life, and the social order it brings, one can rationally see the importance of opposing abortion.

98 posted on 01/23/2002 8:25:07 AM PST by helmsman
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To: Psalm 73
I stick by my words. It was a stupid move because it's almost certainly what the homosexual group was hoping for. I don't think the word 'diversity' is a magic touchstone, but it could be a good thing to demonstrate that it's not 'just' right-wing conservative Christians who want to end abortion.

Causing a ruckus is not a good way to promote our cause; what do you think will be reported now, how many thousands of people showed up, or that "pro-life groups order peaceful homosexuals arrested", which is how the media will spin it?

Also I was disappointed that, when we were standing there for at last 90 minutes listening to various political groups, there were only two Protestant ministers invited. (If I'm wrong on this let me know.) I have been told that the march is organized by the Knights of Columbus and that they are strict about who they let speak; is this true?

99 posted on 01/23/2002 8:26:23 AM PST by JenB
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To: Teacup
HMMM, There's more to this story, IMHO. There were seveal of us Freepers there, and I can say, the walk was peaceful and very well done. Everyone there was in their best behavior, with lots of prayers being said, and lots of singing. Something doesn't make sense.

Does that "everyone was on their best behavior" include PLAGAL?

If so, then Nellie Gray really messed up.

Feminists For Life gets the same kind of public "dissin'" out here in CA by the local "mainstream" prolife community leadership, for whom I have little love and far less respect.

100 posted on 01/23/2002 8:30:14 AM PST by Poohbah
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