Skip to comments.GAY PRO-LIFE LEADERS ARRESTED AT NATIONAL PRO-LIFE MARCH
Posted on 01/23/2002 6:22:00 AM PST by helmsman
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Sounds as if you've learned your liberal spin r-e-a-l good. I side with the pro-lifers they don't want their message muddied by those trying to cash in on whatever press and media attention the pro-life march can attrack. Knowing the pro-homo liberal media, they would focus on one of their favorite causes, that is to make sodomy respectable. I don't think any self identified group of perverts would be welcomed if they insisted on advertising. Tolerance is way over-rated. It's responsible for much of the social problems we are now facing. Flame away!
Unfortunately, or maybe fortunately for some, I'm going to have to leave. I'm going to a dinner tonight which will be attended by current and former EOD people. It should be a real blast.......er.....we should have a bang up time.......ummm.......I hope nobody blows up.......ahhhhhhh.......I mean it should be a great party.
How about if you were sponsoring a parade promoting what you would consider to be the 'natural-ness' of homosexuality and someone showed up with a poster that stated: "HOMOSEX GOOD! -- National Man-Boy-Infant-Beastial Sex and Thinking-About-Corpses and Cannibalism-Next Society?
The Homosexual Lifestyle, or "The Great Gay Lie" is not a promotion of life, but a culture of death.
The militant homosexual lobby would like us all to believe that homosexuality is perfectly normal :"Nothing to see here folks, move along!"
This just isn't the case. I'm simply astounded that people have been frightened into silence over the propagation of mass pervesion.
Homosexuality is a severe and disturbing disorder which is typically derived from some psychological trauma so devastating that the individual can longer recognize their own sex despite the obvious evidence that God has placed in front of them.
There has never been any viable evidence to prove contrary to this fact.
The shocking nature of homosexuality is not only offensive to the savy, stable psyche, it is an affront to nature itself.
The decent into to homosexual lifestyle, the "Great Gay Lie" is a path sown with deception, depression, disease and paved with the misery of friends, family and loved ones. The corruption promoted by the militant homosexual lobby feeds this cycle of despair with the lives of our innocent loved ones.
Those afflicted with this life-destroying malady need to seek both psychological and if necessary medical help immediately.
The message simply isn't consistant with that of the the pro-life movement. It's like making a peace agreement with Yassar Arafat.
I fail to see the logic in saving the child only to have them preyed upon by a group that gained legitimacy by joining with a single rightious cause.
It's not a promising scenario, particularly when so many of these people prey upon children.
In Broward and Dade County, homosexual activists are seeking to gain entrance into public schools and indoctrinate children during sex education classes by teaching the "Glisen Manual". If you haven't heard of the "Gay and Lesbian Alliance Manual" on sexual practice, it is basically a XXX homosexual practice guide. They'd like to have people who are approved by Glisen instruct children in homosexual practices, introducing it as a normal aspect of sexual relations, which it is not.
By joining with such people, you cause far more harm than good. No one should be decieved by this article. The ultimate objective is to legitimize homosexual behavior.
With the help of Steve Kane, we are winning this battle in Broward and Dade. Don't help further the cause of the enemy by allying with those who would prey upon your children because you'll get three or four more people to show up at an abortion clinic protest.
That is why they publicly identify themselves as homosexuals, to send a message to their own, who might otherwise be reflexively pro-abortion, without for a moment considering that the religious right just might be right on this one. Considering the influence of the homosexual culture in this country, if they can be shifted on this, I'll take it.
Hey, I don't want to see it happen either. I will pray for your success.
We each pick our own battles. I admire your devotion to yours. I believe that through your commitment that eventually you will be able to convince people of the truth of your cause.
My chosen battle lies along a different front of the war for the very soul of our nation.
In the end, I believe we're both fighting on the same side. I'm just confronting a different face of the enemy.
Again, I will pray for your success.
Heck, no. And here's why: The most basic tenets of pro-life wisdom recognize equal rights regardless of sex, skin color, religion, physical soundness, or age; and defend rights that do not come at the expense of others, unborn children, for example but certainly not excluding any of the victims of the reprehensible KKK, rapists, Islamic terrorists, pedophiles, wife-beaters, murderers,(or liberal democrats.) The groups you compare to PLAGAL all violate those beliefs.
Now, the minute a gay male tries to seduce one of my nephews, he is a pedophile and deserves a very long sentence in a cramped, dingy, roach-infested hole without "climate-control", at the very least. These men are out there, I know it. But not all gay men are that way, and you know it. To presume so is as ignorant as stereotyping all pro-lifers as clinic bombers.
My contention is that people have sexuality, regardless of whether or not it is expressed physically.
We're splitting hairs over definitions. My point is that people have lots of thoughts, some good and some bad. Unless you are mentally ill, you can train yourself to think in the way that you want to think. If you have sinful thoughts - lustful, envious, greedy, those need to be dealt with. But the punishment comes for giving into them, not for having them.
I once read a report about a society in some remote area where the men were fully homosexual until they turned 18, then they established monagomous heterosexual relationships for the rest of their lives. They were taught to think that way, and it worked for them.
And yes, thoughts have crossed my mind (I'm not going to detail which sins, but more than one) that I would be ashamed to act out. In order to train my mind, I learned to shut those down as quickly as possible. The Bible calls this "taking every thought captive" and it is a valuable tool.
So, you would limit the association of those whose morality disagrees with yours, but you would deny Nellie the same right?
Whether or not I agreed with her decision, it was her right to make it. If she doesn't want her march tainted with the sin of homosexuality, she is no less correct defending that than if she doesn't want it tainted with the sin of the Klan.
The primary purpose of that banner was to aid the homosexual perversion in metastasizing into every aspect of our society. These people know they can use their perversion to drive more people away from conservative issues than they will ever attact. And that is their primary purpose in this. Never forget that!
Where does scripture say that sinners will enter Heaven?
And, unless things have changed, here in the USA, they do have the right to protest and push thier agenda.
ehhhhh wrong answer - try again with statement not based soley on ignorance - it's not becoming!
The point I was making was that someone who sins, but believes in Jesus, will, according to the accepted Christian salvation doctrine, be saved and enter Heaven (Ephesians 2:8-9, Romans 10:9-13). It may be true that the person will need to first confess his sins to God and repent for them, but he will still enter. Furthermore, seeing as though Jesus made it clear that sinful thoughts will count against you to the same degree that sinful actions will (Matt 5:21-30, Mark 7:20-23), one can easily assume that even the most pious Christians will be in a state of sin when they perish, since sinful thoughts are virtually impossible to keep down completely.
So, in the context of our current issue, is it not reasonable to assume that a bible-believing Christian who happens to have strong homosexual urges which he cannot resist will also be permitted the same salvation that a heterosexual Christian who periodically falls and commits heterosexual sins will be given? If the gay Christian continues to commit sin, in thought and action (just as every straight Christian does), but receives salvation anyway, wouldn't this be a case of a gay sinner entering Heaven? Or, a pervert, as some here have claimed.
That is correct according to Christian teachings. That is also why the current homosexual agenda is so destructive. It teaches people that what God has called an abomination is not a sin at all. Who says so? They say so. It should be apparent whom they serve.
Furthermore, seeing as though Jesus made it clear that sinful thoughts will count against you to the same degree that sinful actions will (Matt 5:21-30, Mark 7:20-23), one can easily assume that even the most pious Christians will be in a state of sin when they perish, since sinful thoughts are virtually impossible to keep down completely.
This is one of the most misquoted aspects of Christianity. Thinking about how you'd like to kill someone, even thinking about how'd you'd like to do it, is a clear example of a sinful thought. Having the thought pop into your mind and be immediately rejected is not a sin.
So, in the context of our current issue, is it not reasonable to assume that a bible-believing Christian who happens to have strong homosexual urges which he cannot resist will also be permitted the same salvation that a heterosexual Christian who periodically falls and commits heterosexual sins will be given?
Actually, now you've entered into the realm that only God can know for sure. Sin separates us from God, correct? Do you know the exact measure of sin (assuming for a second that sin could be measured) that it takes to deny salvation? Of course you don't! But you're attempting to allow yourself to think you might be "reasoning" it out via analogies.
God expects us to control our actions. Unrepentant sin is unforgiven sin.
If the gay Christian continues to commit sin, in thought and action (just as every straight Christian does), but receives salvation anyway, wouldn't this be a case of a gay sinner entering Heaven?
Can you name any such person who has entered Heaven? The thief on the cross was supposed to go to paradise that very day, but only after he had repented all of his sins. By denying that homosexuality is a sin, these folks deny their victims the possibility of repentance.
Thanks for posting the article, though. I've forwarded it around to several people who've used the enclosed e-mail address to send their support in preventing the homosexual agenda from hijacking the March For Life.
Whatever the problems you may have with the gay movement, the issue was whether or not gay Christians have as equal a claim to salvation through Christ as do straight Christians. The theological consensus among Christians seems to imply that they do, as long as the normal prerequisites are met. But it is a fact that straight Christians regularly fall from their observant behavior into sin. They know they are sinning, but they do it anyway because they succumb to temptation. As I understand Christian belief, this would not cause them to lose their salvation as long as they get right with God. I would assume that a gay Christian could also recover in the same way.
Thinking about how you'd like to kill someone, even thinking about how'd you'd like to do it, is a clear example of a sinful thought. Having the thought pop into your mind and be immediately rejected is not a sin.
I understand. But are you denying that contemplating sinful behavior, especially illicit sex these days, is uncommon among Christians? The Promise Keepers organization was basically founded to address this problem in the Christian Church.
Do you know the exact measure of sin (assuming for a second that sin could be measured) that it takes to deny salvation? Of course you don't! But you're attempting to allow yourself to think you might be "reasoning" it out via analogies.
No, Sir, I am simply reading Christian scripture and attempting to understand what one has to do to achieve entrance into Heaven. I don't think that's unreasonable or presumptuous for anyone to do given what is at stake, if the Christian story is true.
God expects us to control our actions. Unrepentant sin is unforgiven sin.
But we can't always control our actions, even though we may wish to. Everyone falls from sinless behavior eventually. And the only point that I made was that a heterosexual sin will buy you a ticket to Hell just as easily as a homosexual sin will.
So long as you can acknowledge that any homosexual act is a sin.
And just remember that a cornerstone of the homosexual agenda in Christian Churches is to fool Christians into denying that homosexual acts are sinful.
It's an old memory - it predates the World Wide Web. If I can find anything in a search, I'll do so, but I'm not even sure how to form the query right now.
No. I said nothing about morality. Sorry, I thought it was implicit in my response that those who trample on the Constitution and Bills of Rights (felons, terrorists and Klansmen, for example) have no place at the March for Life, for obvious reasons.
"...but you would deny Nellie the same right? "
Is it her right?
The first sentence on the March for Life homepage reads: The MARCH FOR LIFE is the collective effort of grassroots prolife Americans to assure that our laws protect the right to life of each human being. Plagal is grassroots, prolife, and American. What's the problem, here? Why can't they be welcomed with the caveat, applying to all participants -- straight, gay, or liberal Democrat, that especially because the March includes so many youngsters and conservative Christians, any overt sexuality doesn't belong.
Nowhere on the Website is the March referred to as the: Nellie Gray March for Life. Ms. Gray doesn't own the March. It is a tax-exempt non-profit and therefore owes a modicum of tolerance toward law-abiding, tax-paying Americans who wish to peacefully participate in a march on their own Nation's Capital.
Listen, Argee, I wish all openly, flagrantly gay men and women would go back into their, no doubt, tastefully appointed, cedar-lined closets and stay there. What they do together in those closets I don't want to know. (I don't even want to think about...)
But they, and other atypical pro-life organizations, have an important place in the pro-life mainstream for reasons that benefit our cause and therefore the unborn.
First, they break the false stereotype of pro-lifer as right-wing, fundamentalist Christian male trying to foist his religious morality on poor, helpless women (by bombing clinics, of course.) Gay men tend not to be Baptists and most feminists are not men. This narrow stereotype has been an enormous handycap as it allows pro-aborts and the complicit media to portray all pro-lifers as one isolated group of fanatics to be dismissed or preferably jailed.
Shunning gay, feminist and atheist pro-life organizations only supports the notion of pro-lifer as Morality Cop. This is very bad PR in a very wicked PR war waged by NOW, Planned Parenthood, NARAL, et al.
I could go on and on, obviously. We may have to agree to disagree, but I enjoy the thread!
We will have to agree to disagree. I will grant you a point and ask you to grant one to me.
I'll grant you, Nellie may be shooting herself in the foot by exercising her right.
Will you grant me: we have been quiet about the fact that homosexual behavior is a perversion that is better treated than tolerated for far too long?