Scientific findings run counter to theory of global warming

San Diego Union Tribune ^ | 1/25/2002 | Joseph Perkins

[VOA]

When scientists try to minimize the importance of the results of their own studies,
there's alot more than science going on.

The same thing happened in a paper put out by researcher from The University of
Bristol in England.
They did one of the first papers/researchs into the effect of the electro-magnetic
field of cell-phones on users.

The only effect they could find (and IIRC, it was very small) was that cell-phone users
had faster reaction times than non-cell-phone users.

I got a few good chuckles from the article as the last few paragraphs were nearly a tortured
"our research can't be right! Cell-phones MUST cause everything from brain cancer
to shyness. If our research is correct, there goes our funding and chances to appear
as expert witnesses at billion-dollar class-action suits! D-amn!"

[VOA]

Yet, the Scripps scientists insisted that their results were not inconsistent with global warming theory.

I hope I'm alive on the day when the real "knife to the heart" study comes out
and the researchers (who are "global warming" zealots) announce their finding.
And promptly go into a siezure screaming "DOES NOT COMPUTE! DATA MUST BE
WRONG BECAUSE GLOBAL WARMING HYPOTHESIS MUST BE TRUE! DOES NOT COMPUTE! DOES NOT COMPUTE,
WILL ROBINSON!!!"
(Yeah, just like the robot on that old series "Lost In Space".)

[hsszionist]

The eco-commies just want to control a little bit more of our lives.

[centurion316]

Very well said. My own studies in glaciology confirm that glaciers are indeed in retreat, at least in the Northern Hemisphere. This has been scientifically observed for most of the last century.

However, it is also an historical and archealogical fact that 1000 years ago, wheat was cultivated in the Orkney Islands, which lie to the north of Scotland. Wheat cannot grow on these islands today.

Any competant scientist of the Pleistocene can tell you of overwhelming evidence that climate has undergone periods of warming and cooling over the past 1 million years. My Chevrolet Tahoe is a 1996 model. I doubt that it had much to do with the multiple fluctuations of climate that are represented in the geological record.

[dalereed]

"My Chevrolet Tahoe is a 1996 model. I doubt that it had much to do with the multiple fluctuations of climate that are represented in the geological record."

The 1965 Chevrolet PU that I drive with almost 900,000 miles on it didn't have anything to do with it either!

[snopercod]

Tell me again when the thermometer was invented.

[Native American Female Vet]

BUMP

[FairWitness]

It is pretty clear and consistent that temperature increases PRECEDE the CO2 levels, based on the charts.

I believe they admitted this in the TV show where I first saw this, but the article makes it ambiguous. It is a fact of solution chemistry that warm water holds less CO2 than cold water, so warming of the ocean (from solar output changes?) would necessarily change the amount of dissolved CO2.

[FairWitness]

Tell me again when the thermometer was invented.

I suspect your question is tongue-in-cheek, but I will play straight man anyway. I believe the chart shows changes in temperature rather than absolute temperature, and is probably based on an indirect calculation from something like oxygen isotope ratios.

[norton]

When I pulled the original engine out of my '53 F-100 I found a note saying it could no longer deal with the guilt of having caused the Yosemite glaciers to withdraw...another enviro-cide!

[fortress]

I love it! You guys are too much.
Great discussion though. I am amazed at how many thinkers we have at FR.
When I grew up we were taught about ice ages and that we are moving away from the last one.
Are they still teaching this or is it all PC stuff to bolster their argument for global warming?
How about this theory? Because of the fluctuations in temperatures
and the subsequent variations in ice cap mass,
the earth tilting changes and causes the pendulum to swing the other way.
A built-in balancing tool created to keep us going for a long while.

[dalereed]

I don't know how old you are but in the 1940s & 1950s when I was in school the pitch was that we were entering another ice age. Global warming is the same scam with a new twist since they wore out the old one.

Those that can do, those that can't teach and the new teachers are taught by the old ones. The only cure for the education system is complete distruction, including the universities.

[thinktwice]

How many copies of nitwit Gore's book were printed?

I don't know; but I bought one from a new book discount ($2) bin, read it, and then bought ten more to pass out to liberal friends.

Nothing reveals soul (and mental state) better than the written word.

[GregoryFul]

I hear that Buffalo hogged it this year.

[FReethesheeples]

Mega-bumP!!!

[fortress]

Well you are probably right and we were going towards the next ice age.
You know memory is the first thing to go.
Bottom line though even then we were aware of temperature cycles, independent of the industrial age.

[Old Professer]

At most of the glaciers in the world, people have been visiting there on a yearly basis. The glacial retreat is better documented, is worldwide and is probably a better indicator than the polar data.

An argument could be made that the steady, gradual retreat of the glaciers is caused by tectonic plate movement and the resulting localized friction caused as the force of gravity acts contrary to the northward shift of the plates thereby melting the ice and creating a shearing effect.

Just a thought.