Skip to comments.The Missing Gun
Posted on 01/25/2002 9:07:46 PM PST by mrustowEdited on 05/26/2004 5:03:37 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
By JOHN R. LOTT, JR.
January 25, 2002 -- ANOTHER school shooting occurred last week and the headlines were everywhere the same, from Australia to Nigeria. This time the shooting occurred at a university, the Appalachian Law School. As usual, there were calls for more gun control.
(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...
I've been checking there a looong time. All Gun News, All The Time!
1/18/02 Ex-Charlottean: I helped nab suspect
By Diane Suchetka
The Charlotte Observer
One of the four students who subdued a gunman at the Appalachian School of Law in Virginia on Wednesday is an N.C. native and former Charlottean.
Mikael Gross, 34, a first-year student at the small school in Grundy, Va., told The Observer he worked as a state alcohol law enforcement agent in Charlotte from 1996 until 1998 and earned a master's degree in criminal justice at UNC Charlotte in 1997.
Two other men who helped bring the gunman under control also have worked as law enforcement officers in North Carolina - in Asheville and Wilmington, Gross said.
Gross was walking back to the law school from lunch just after 1p.m. Wednesday with four classmates when he heard a gunshot. He yelled to the others to take cover and watched as students ran from a student lounge in the administration building.
"People were running everywhere," Gross said. "They were jumping behind cars, running out in front of traffic, trying to get away."
Gross ran to his car, parked about 100 yards away, without dropping the gunman from his sight, grabbed his bullet-proof vest from his trunk and a gun from under his front seat.
While the man pointed his gun at fellow students, Gross and two others ran toward him from different directions.
One of the others was Tracy Bridges, a Buncombe County sheriff's deputy from Asheville, who also had his gun, Gross said.
When the gunman saw them, Gross said, he put his weapon down and his hands up.
The third man, Ted Besen, who has worked as a police officer in Wilmington, was not armed and ordered the gunman onto the ground. Instead, the gunman lunged at Besen, punching him in the face.
That's when a fourth student ran up and tackled the gunman. Gross and Bridges jumped on the gunman, pulled his hands behind his back and held him as he tried to fight them off.
When the gunman was under control, Gross ran back to his car for his handcuffs. Police arrived a minute or so later, he said.
Afterward Gross and the others headed into the administration building to help those who had been shot.
"There was blood everywhere," Gross said. "It looked like somebody had mopped the floor with blood."
They put some of the injured onto folding tables turned into gurneys, loaded them into SUVs and drove them to the hospital.
"I let my instinct kick in and did what any good law enforcement officer would do, what any good person would do," he said.
Gross, who graduated from Oak Ridge Military Academy in Oak Ridge in 1985 and East Carolina University in 1989, has also lived in Raleigh, Burlington and several other N.C. cities.
He worked as the director of police corps training at the N.C. Justice Academy in 1998 and 1999, he said, and the chief of police at Brevard College before heading to law school in August .
During breaks from law school, he works as a police officer in Grifton. His mother, Cecilia Wicker, lives in Charlotte.
Wonder how many more would have been killed or wounded before the police got there if not for the actions of these men ... and the fact that they had weapons nearby.
Action being taken and weapons in hand.
Nope, not gonna be seeing any "specials" or lead stories on "48 Hours" regarding this.
I, on the other hand will probably be emailing this story to certain "special" recipients for the next couple of years.
Some of you may recoil from my contention, but remember:
AN ARMED SOCIETY IS A POLITE SOCIETY.
This is just more living proof that Dr John Lott's thesis and book, "More guns, Less Crime!" is very valid in today's world.
This reminds me of the school shooting where the prinicipal got his 45 service revolver from his car to stop the shootings.
Notice how the coward dropped his gun when he thought that he might get shot. He is your typical bully in action!
Way to go, Tracy & Mikael! Chicks with guns are exceptionally cool.
Cheers, CC :)
I normally never watch the news but last night I was watching the local news for the weather report because we are supposed to be getting a big storm here this weekend. I got so po'ed I shut the damn thing off and never did get the weather report.
One thing that consistantly angers me over the media's reporting of firearms use, and especially when a felon or other nutball is stopped by firearm using citizens is the difference given between LEO's and citizens who are legally carrying.
While it is fine that these two were in law enforcement, all the proposed legislation (50 state reciprocity for carrying, carrying on aircraft, etc) are usually for law enforcement or ex law enforcement only. The law abididing citizen is left with his posterior hanging over the abyss, with no hope in sight of ever getting the 2A enforced as written. Considering the odds that an armed citizen would be much more likely to be on the scene of an incident which could be stopped by either simply the perp seeing a firearm drawn, up to the use of deadly force, it follows, if this were a logical world, that the armed citizen is more of a deterrent to crime than the LEO.
If one does not know who is carrying, the odds of successfully completing a crime decrease drastically. Robert Heinlein had it 100% right when he wrote "An armed society is a polite society".
I find it incredible that the armed citizen is treated (by press,politicians, and LEO's alike) as anywhere from a non entity to a criminal themselves. Whaat is even MORE incredible, is the father of it all, the original sin, of course being GCA'68, is not only blatantly racist, being concieved and written IMHO, due to the rioting in various cities, but also supported by government in response to the Kennedy (2), King, and the Evers shooting, but also in response to the as usual "Silent Majority" who were, at that point in time, scared s**tless by the events which were occurring.
The other interesting thing is that none of this news ever made it into military channels, whether by deliberate design or simply the beginning of the anti-2A bias which is now so obvious. As a member of the Armed Forces during this time period, one JUST DIDN'T HEAR ANYTHING. NOTHING HAPPENED. Nothing about the rioting, and only the usual pabulum when it came to notables being assassinated.
Considering (adjust your tinfoil hats here folks) the distinct possibility of either official or quasi-official governmental involvement in every single high profile shooting of the '60s, is it any wonder the media got off to a wonderful supercharged start down the "Gun Control Superhighway". I know that prior to the mid 1960's, there was virtually no press at all about firearms use, except to report facts. After the '60s we started down the path we stand on today.
Keep the Faith for Freedom
MAY GOD BLESS AND DEFEND THIS HONORABLE REPUBLIC
"When the gunman saw them, Gross said, he put his weapon down and his hands up.
The third man, Ted Besen, who has worked as a police officer in Wilmington, was not armed and ordered the gunman onto the ground. Instead, the gunman lunged at Besen, punching him in the face."
Unless you are referring to the school shooting a few years ago. I don't have that reference. The principal or asst. principal was an officer in the reserve or national guard. That teenage murdering bully dropped his gun as soon as the armed principal ordered him to stop and drop the gun.
I'm sure that Bang List historians have the reference. I believe that two school shootings that year were terminated by people with guns ordering the bullies to stop shooting.
That's a pretty embarrassing error to make and he especially should not make it. His arguments are too important to the cause.
When you do, you'll understand why only government people should have guns.
>faux naivete off<
DOH! I saw the name Tracy and assumed. My bad. That would have been cool, though, if Tracy was a 'she'.... Maybe then it would have made the news??
Nobody could possibly be surprised that this most important aspect of the story was deliberately omitted by liberal, politically correct toilet papers like the Washington Post and the New York Times, but does anyone know if Fox News had the integrity to present the full story?
They're no better than the National Socialists who wrote for Hitler's Volkisher Beobacter, the mouthpiece of the Nazi party.
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