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To: BoPepper
Your entire argument is based on the assumption that another conspiracy theory (i.e., Ron Brown was murdered). is true.

Untrue. My argument is based on many FACTS that strongly suggest a murder and a subsequent coverup. I mentioned "some" of those facts in my post to you. Now you can either dispute the facts or accept them, but don't try to just AVOID discussing them.

In addition, military officers would have to dishonor themselves and coverup a mass murder in order to protect Clinton for your conspiracy theory to work.

First of all, military officers are the ones who blew the whistle ... the ones accusing other military officers of tampering with evidence and ignoring facts that suggest Brown was shot. We already know that the military officers who were accused of tampering with the evidence have LIED to the public about the facts in this case. That is PROVEN.

Are you so naive as to think that high level members of the military, like members of the JCS and those in command of certain operations (like the Accident Investigation Board members and management of AFIP), are not political animals ... that they would not do the bidding of superior officers and Clinton? Sorry, but UNLESS you can explain the views of the pathologists and the x-ray/photo evidence (which, according to EVERY forensic pathologist that has made a statement about them, show clear signs of a bullet wound), you are running from the facts. Unless you can explain all the other incriminating material in the case you are ignoring the obvious. Then YOUR motives become questionable.

I don't mind you disagreeing with me as long as you are willing to discuss the actual facts that are known. I could be convinced they aren't true or don't suggest what is alleged. I do mind those who won't discuss those facts but, instead, simply TRUST in an administration (Clinton's) that we all KNOW committed just about every crime you can name ... including ABUSE of the military. I do mind those who TRUST the military so much that they can't even conceive of the possibility that there are dishonorable people in the military. There are ... just like in EVERY other institution known to man.

101 posted on 02/01/2002 7:50:36 PM PST by BeAChooser
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To: BeAChooser
You claim to be big on "facts." There is one simple fact that would put this to rest---the one the conspiracy kooks do not want to confront: there are hundreds, if not THOUSANDS, of public, private, and government radar stations operating and dozens of them would have picked up something on their screens that day. Why is it that NOT ONE, NOWHERE, has a single radar image of a missile (by the way, you need TWO missiles, not one, for the thesis of this article to work. If you don't understand that, let me know and I'll 'splain it to you).

Sanders ("Downing of TWA 800") claims there was one such tape, but the FAA got it and either destroyed or altered it. Sorry, but what about the dozens of others? It is a ridiculous claim without that evidence. All the so-called "eyewitnesses"---the same people who had O.J. at different places in Los Angeles at different times---are thoroughly unreliable.

Moreover, if you look at the claims by the SCIENTISTS (such as Ian Goddard, who claims that the "holes" in the aft fuselage are evidence of an outside explosion above 800) and compare them with the claims of Sanders (who says that the "Standard, pass-through missile" cut TWA 800 in half in front of the center wing tank), you have two completely different scenarios. EITHER OF THEM requires TWO MISSILES ON A RADAR SCREEN (a drone and a hunter). But if BOTH these guys are right, now we need THREE missiles (a drone, an outside exploder, and a "pass through").

So stick to this fact: without a radar tape, you got zip, zero, nada. I will certainly be willing to change my view if you or anyone else provides radar evidence. (I likely would be convinced also if you could find some navy officers/sailors who actually FIRED the weapon, rather than a guy 80 miles away!!!! who says he saw something. That ain't evidence, and it sure isn't a "fact."

135 posted on 02/19/2002 9:50:15 AM PST by LS
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