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An Astounding Remark
Future of Freedom Foundation ^ | Sheldon Richman

Posted on 02/06/2002 5:05:45 AM PST by francisandbeans

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To: Hoosier Patriot
that not only are you with the terrorists, you are one as well. Your words prove it.

With a few notable exceptions, most everyone here is recognized under the "law" as being a terrorist. All it takes are words of support of the Constitution, and you're had. Blackbird.
341 posted on 02/06/2002 1:50:31 PM PST by BlackbirdSST
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To: Howlin
If only you knew how common I was.

A quick look at Miss Marple's "Simple Folks" lyric confirms how common I am: I whistle, I sing and down here I'm known as a "Stepper" (I dance). Folks know it's me coming down the hall, in other words, by the whistling alone. I can even whistle like a boy -- stop a cab on a dime in Manhattan. Surely it does not get more common than that.

Even my own Mom knows I'm just a regular sort. Once when I was a grade-schooler, I asked her if I could become a saint and she gently informed me that saints are "extraordinary" folk. So, don't you worry, Howlin. I've never suffered unduly from delusions of grandeur ... or sainthood.

I must admit that your and Amelia's and Miss Marple's dismaying pettiness is precisely the reason I didn't tell anyone but family and close friends I'd be on the show. Far be it from me to join The Sweater or the Opening Montage or The Way He Laughs as fuel for your ill will to burn in lieu of substantive criticism of the show's content.

Regards.

342 posted on 02/06/2002 2:14:43 PM PST by Askel5
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To: Askel5
I wasn't asking for your life story........AGAIN.

I was just trying to reconcile the difference between your verbose post on here, where you openly mock the "common folk," and your appearance on Alan Keyes' show as one of the "common people."

Does MSNBC know that you guys are handpicked?

343 posted on 02/06/2002 2:18:01 PM PST by Howlin
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To: Askel5
as fuel for your ill will to burn in lieu of substantive criticism of the show's content.

Say what you want, but stacking the deck is pretty incindiary, if you ask me. I thought Alan said it was going to be people "just like you out there."

344 posted on 02/06/2002 2:19:21 PM PST by Howlin
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To: Beenliedto
So Dane should change his name, is what you're telling me.
345 posted on 02/06/2002 2:23:32 PM PST by Dr.Deth
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To: me
bump
346 posted on 02/06/2002 2:25:43 PM PST by ag2000jon
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To: jwalsh07
I asked Jefferson to give me an example of one arrest at Ashcrofts request indicative of your comments since he gave this speech.

Who said the arrests have to happen immediately upon the conclusion of the speech? Sheesh. You know better than that. I simply quoted two of the things he said and suggested connecting the dots. It's a pretty obvious connection.

And by the way, we don't - and can't - know if anybody's been arrested, because the PATRIOT Act says that they don't need to tell us. All the "detainees" since 911 are incommunicado, and there's no way to know if they're Americans or not or anything else about them. They simply "disappeared." That's what happens to "terrorists" from here on in - didn't you know that?

347 posted on 02/06/2002 2:27:23 PM PST by Jefferson Adams
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To: Howlin
I was just trying to reconcile the difference between your verbose post on here, where you openly mock the "common folk," and your appearance on Alan Keyes' show as one of the "common people."

Huh? I mock the common people? Can you link me to what it is you're talking about?

348 posted on 02/06/2002 2:32:18 PM PST by Askel5
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To: BlackbirdSST
With a few notable exceptions, most everyone here is recognized under the "law" as being a terrorist. All it takes are words of support of the Constitution, and you're had.

Alas, I don't dispute your assertion. If the powers that be decree it to be so, then so be it. However, short of death, the only way that I personally can ever be silenced from voicing support for the document that is, without any doubt or question for me, the law of this land, is to cut my tongue from my mouth. I'll be damned if I'll ever be silenced from supporting my, yours, all of ours, Constitution.

349 posted on 02/06/2002 2:32:54 PM PST by Hoosier Patriot
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To: Askel5
Let me post it here for you; it's going to be fun watching you tell us all how you're not really mocking other people on this forum, most of whom, as you have told us in many bloviated posts, you consider beneath contempt.

That's probably the primary reason you don't see any "Day in the Life of Alan Keyes" threads wherein our hearts skip a Tiger Beat or cause us to moon over him like Judy Garland over Clark Gable.

350 posted on 02/06/2002 2:36:01 PM PST by Howlin
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To: Howlin
LOL!

Believe it not, I do not consider that sort of behavior -- by grown women, no less -- to be "common".

Even in the Democratic party where skank feminists clamour to wear kneepads, it seems an aberration of sorts.

351 posted on 02/06/2002 2:39:54 PM PST by Askel5
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To: Askel5
See, I told you it would be fun. If you don't think it's common, why do you continually look down your nose at it and constantly bring it up in YOUR posts.
352 posted on 02/06/2002 2:41:38 PM PST by Howlin
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To: Howlin
Okay ... let's see if you can follow me here, Howlin.

Amelia was making a somewhat snide comment about the way Keyes folks tend to turn and look to the Good Doctor as if to say "Did I do all right, Teacher?"

Made us sound like a bunch of simple-minded sychophants repeating as best we could whatever Keyes had to say.

That seemed especially odd in light of the teeny-bopper sort of idolizing that goes on -- Day in the Life in and Day in the Life out -- here on the forum.

I was drawing a comparison, see? I figure folks who live in perfectly appointed glass houses where they oooh and aaaah over Big Screen Images and soaring Popularity Poll Numbers shouldn't throw stones at those of us out in the fields who, having learned to sow seed from a prophet of sorts, get out there and try our hand at planting.

353 posted on 02/06/2002 2:53:16 PM PST by Askel5
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To: Hoosier Patriot
is to cut my tongue from my mouth If I'm so bold as to seek a choice in my demise, I think one to the head will suffice. I could never keep my mouth shut. Blackbird.
354 posted on 02/06/2002 3:18:06 PM PST by BlackbirdSST
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To: francisandbeans
When Attorney General John Ashcroft told the nation, "To those who scare peace-loving people with phantoms of lost liberty, my message is this: Your tactics only aid terrorists," he wasn't blazing any new trails. He was merely doing what despots and would-be despots always do: attempting to intimidate into silence those who dare to question him.

IMHO these sorts of responses read far too much into Ashcroft's statement.

Using the phrase "phantoms of lost liberty" Ascroft is clearly refering to imagined threats to our liberty that have no real substance.

Nothing about this statement denies the right to free and open debate over what does or doesn't constitute a genuine threat to our liberties.....he is simply stating his opinion that those he was addressing were illusions....and as such were tying the hands of the Gov't to fight terrorism.
Big deal.

It's not like he said substancial threats to liberty should be dismissed in our war on terrorism.

If find the claim that Ascroft's statement constitutes an attempt to "intimidate into silence those who dare to question him" to be irrational, paranoid and silly.

355 posted on 02/06/2002 3:18:50 PM PST by Jorge
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To: Askel5
Oh, never mind; we all know you do it, though you'll never admit it. It must make you feel good.

And you never answered my question: does MSNBC know that the "common people" are handpicked by the Keyes folks?

356 posted on 02/06/2002 3:33:51 PM PST by Howlin
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To: Jefferson Adams
Patriots Act

Would you point me to the provision?

By the way Jefferson, are you aware that the Geneva Convention allows for holding "saboteurs", read terrorists, incommunicado should the host country feel it protects its citizens.

357 posted on 02/06/2002 4:18:35 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: Jorge
I find the claim that Ascroft's statement constitutes an attempt to "intimidate into silence those who dare to question him" to be irrational, paranoid and silly.

Careful, they're watching! LOL

358 posted on 02/06/2002 4:21:14 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: francisandbeans
There's a reason I called him Janet Ashcroft. What a disapointment he has been.

And no, I'm not aiding the terrorists, but Ashcroft is aiding the Fascists if someone like John Edwards gets in power in 2004, and YES IT COULD happen.

This DASSHOLE and Bush led bill is like the Wiemar Republic's gun registration bill. This is what KLINTON was pushing for last year.

Those that trade freedom for security deserve neither...except being thrown out of office. I expected better from Ashcroft. I didn't expect this from him. Maybe Carl Lenin and Debbie Stabusall were right for once for voting against him, although for a different reason.

I'd much rather have someone like Alan Simpson as AG.

359 posted on 02/06/2002 4:25:47 PM PST by Dan from Michigan
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To: all
I'll go look for all my complaints on this bill. I posted a long list on them before.
360 posted on 02/06/2002 4:28:46 PM PST by Dan from Michigan
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