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Airline Passenger Arrested for Leaving Seat Within 30 Minutes of Salt Lake City
Fox News ^ | 2/11/02

Posted on 02/11/2002 12:42:32 PM PST by Enemy Of The State

Edited on 04/22/2004 12:32:30 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

SALT LAKE CITY — An airline passenger who allegedly got up to go the bathroom less than 30 minutes before landing became the first person arrested under a new federal flight regulation adopted for the Olympics.

Richard Bizarro, 59, could get up to 20 years in prison on charges of interfering with a flight crew.


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To: .30Carbine
Does this rule out doing a mexican wave?
151 posted on 02/12/2002 2:18:16 AM PST by cavador
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To: VaBthang4
"discern the intent of the thumbs up"

Maybe we should just cut off all flyers thumbs before they get in the plane? Ya know, an ounce of prevention and all that.

I wasn't there but from what I read maybe the marshal should have walked over to the dude, told him he was a jerk and on the verge of getting a wing seat or an extra pie hole. The whole hands on the head, et al, routine seems a bit over the top...

154 posted on 02/12/2002 2:25:30 AM PST by Proud_texan
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To: xcon
"Smart one are you not."

You didnt get a chance to take advantage of one of those federally funded English courses while you were "Locked down" huh?

Hahaha...

"Am I to assume you are what the popular afro-american slang refers to as a thang due to your screen name?"

Forgive me...didnt quite follow that one.

"My screen name relates to the fact I do volunteer work in local prisons dealing with substance abuse and job skills."

I dont care....anyway, I am sure alot of ahem..."volunteers" refer to themsleves as "XCON"'s.

"Hopefully most of them will one day be ex-cons."

If only the Man would stop keeping them down.

And finally....all of the above just to setup this witty retort?

"What does your screen name relate to? Something to do with your boyfriends maybe? wink,wink"

Dry Bro.
You got hit in the head with a pipe when you were in general population didnt you?

155 posted on 02/12/2002 2:27:42 AM PST by VaBthang4
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To: Proud_texan
"Maybe we should just cut off all flyers thumbs before they get in the plane? Ya know, an ounce of prevention and all that. "

YES!

I agree.....that is a brilliant idea.

Geez....when I said whiners unite I was just kidding.

156 posted on 02/12/2002 2:29:51 AM PST by VaBthang4
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To: Enemy Of The State
Anything to feel a little safer huh?

It all DEPENDS on how one feels about the issue.

157 posted on 02/12/2002 2:38:20 AM PST by grania
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To: VaBthang4
contrarians

From Merriam Webster:

"a person who takes a contrary position or attitude"

Hmm. Could this be me? Do I take a contrary position or attitude to...

...mindless, unquestioning obedience to minions of the state? Yes

...trashing the fourth amendment via some bogus "Patriot Act?" Yes again.

...rule by capricious whim of big thug with gun? Oh darn, yes again.

...use of my tax dollars and the blood of our service personnel for empirical "nation building?" Yikes, this is starting to look really bad for me.

...a hypocritical "war against terrorism," while declaring permanent normalization of trade relations with the bloody Chinese regime? Yeah, that pretty much cheeses me off.

...strip searching elderly people in airports while loosening trade restrictions on advanced technology useful to our enemies in the production of weapons systems? Rats! There I go being "contrary" again.

...funding our enemies with millions of my tax dollars as a reward for pretending not to grow poppies? Well, darned if I'm not opposed to that, too.

Well, so far it looks like I very well could be a "contrarian" and I'm not even warmed up yet. I'm not too ashamed though. The way I learned my history, the founders of this nation were "contrarians" too.

And you would be?

Oh yeah. Clueless.

159 posted on 02/12/2002 3:21:03 AM PST by another1
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To: VaBthang4
You are the friggin idiot!

I know that in the schizophrenic world of Contrarian Treky conventions you are taught to pull magic reasons out of your wazoo as to why we all should second guess authority or obliquely imply that our eye in the sky masters would lie in order to Tyranically rule over the world...

We have all seen Ruby Ridge, Waco, Miami, CIA and FBI false testimony. As in the most recent bungling case of the Taliban Walker, the FBI never got anything in writing so they say. Why? These guys are well educated and well trained by the FBI and the CIA.

160 posted on 02/12/2002 3:27:45 AM PST by chainsaw
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To: FreeTheHostages
He's fifty nine years old. Have you ever heard of prostate trouble.Believe me if you have an enlarged prostate and you have to go you have to go right now. Twenty years for a possible medical problem is just over the top. I couldn't hold my hands over my head for two minutes let alone thirty. What are these numb skulls thinking?
161 posted on 02/12/2002 3:32:17 AM PST by em2vn
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To: em2vn
What are these numb skulls thinking?

They're thinking they can pretty much do anything they damn well please, and as long as they squeeze the phrase "war on terrorism" in there somewhere, they're getting away with it.

162 posted on 02/12/2002 3:38:43 AM PST by another1
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To: Enemy Of The State
Incredible.

Makes you wonder how many of these 'sky marshalls' were previously with the BATF.

Or maybe, the Stasi.

163 posted on 02/12/2002 3:40:10 AM PST by Byron_the_Aussie
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To: Enemy Of The State
"Richard Bizarro, 59, could get up to 20 years in prison on charges of interfering with a flight crew"

How can the authorities even THINK of imprisoning this man? He broke no law! He merely violated an expedient rule, concocted to make the Airlines and the Feds think they are "doing something" about security.

America was once a Nation of Laws which arose from common sense and common decency. We are now a Nation of petty Legalisms which arise out of common stupidity and the aims of wannabe tyrants.

164 posted on 02/12/2002 4:15:07 AM PST by bimbo
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To: FreeTheHostages
Wrong. This was an entirely appropriate use of police authority. Follow the rules & for goodness sakes don't give airplane crews a hard time. He did this going into Salt Lake, too. Inexcusable.

You must be joking; right?

165 posted on 02/12/2002 4:26:58 AM PST by suijuris
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To: FreeTheHostages
He did this going into Salt Lake, too.

Gee ... should we have this 30 minute rule expanded to ALL destinations? ... how about for the whole flght? better yet, let's all have a new rule: NO GOING TO THE RESTROOM ON ANY DOMESTIC OR INTERNATIONAL FLIGHT AT ANY TIME UNLESS ESCORTED BY AN AIR MARSHALL. There. Feel safer?

166 posted on 02/12/2002 4:30:42 AM PST by bimbo
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To: Enemy Of The State
Because of the incident, air marshals aboard the plane ordered all passengers to put their hands on their heads for the rest of the flight.
This is what happens when you put the former head of the Clinton-era ATF in charge of air travel security. His people act like jack booted thugs.

Whatever they did to the guy who had to go to the bathroom, there's absolutely no excuse for treating everyone on the flight like criminal suspects. All the marshalls should be fired, unless Magaw specifically authorized this approach. In that case he should be fired, but he never should have been in this position to begin with.

-Eric
-who would have had certain fingers up the whole time.

167 posted on 02/12/2002 4:37:27 AM PST by E Rocc
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To: SJackson
The jerk glared and gave a "signal" to one of his buddies. What would you have done?

I would have stood and cited Section 6, Para 13b, Clause 2.1 of the Annotated Rules and Regulations of the FAA and the Airlines Industry which clearly prohibits "glaring and signaling" and proscribes a 20 year prison sentence for the first offence.

168 posted on 02/12/2002 4:37:34 AM PST by bimbo
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To: suijuris;Freethehostages;seeking the truth
how ironic that this guy has the name "free the hostages?" It seems that the passengers aboard that flight were held hostage by the Luftwaffe police for 25 minutes.
169 posted on 02/12/2002 4:43:08 AM PST by Enemy Of The State
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To: Enemy Of The State
Yeah a 59 year old man with a weak bladder ?!?!? Who ever heard of such. And the thumbs up thing to a fellow human being ?!?!?!?!? OHMYGOSH ! WHOOP WHOOP WHOOP !!!

Our world is out of frigging control......currently considering cocooning versus traveling as they have given every beancounter in the nation the authority to screw you over based on perception versus a physical act.

I'd suspect this story is lacking if the Air Marshal's had to jack up the entire passenger cabin . You know darn well that F-16's from hill were escorting the plane as it approached, and a battalion of FLEAS an LEOS/DOD rentals etc etc surrounded the AC as it landed in SLC and made a dance of death boarding with weapons drawn to remove said "suspect passengers (all of em).

This stuff is just getting too unsafe to potentially expose ones family too........

Stay Safe , Stay Home and let commerce/polidiots know why you do so..... just my opinion of course.

170 posted on 02/12/2002 4:44:32 AM PST by Squantos
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To: VaBthang4
I guess I was not too clear. I was trying to say that I am not the only one not flying anymore and it shows in the earnings statements of the airlines. They treated the passengers like cattle before 9/11 and instead of trying to treat people better, they make things worse.
171 posted on 02/12/2002 4:50:15 AM PST by saminfl
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To: Just_another_man
Because of the incident, air marshals aboard the plane ordered all passengers to put their hands on their heads for the rest of the flight.

The law is the law.

Correction: The law is an @ss.

172 posted on 02/12/2002 4:51:52 AM PST by Wm Bach
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To: areafiftyone
"He could have waited thirty minutes to go to the bathroom."

I have prostate cancer and the treatment for it (in my case) causes very, VERY irregular bladder control. When the urge hits, I have but seconds to find a SUITABLE container! BTW, this urge can hit 15-20 times a day and sometimes 3-4 times in a one hour period.

Unpleasant at best. Embarrassing to say the least. Since I had 90+ radioactive iodine seeds implanted in my prostate (to reside there for ever and ever), along with 25 massive and particularly focussed radiation treatments, the problem has lessened.

Now, before you make these pronouncements, I suggest you get a bit more information. I know one thing....

I will not fly on any plane that makes these stupid f'in rules!

173 posted on 02/12/2002 4:58:05 AM PST by lawdude
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To: sandlady, JAM
"he would have been attacked by them for causing a disturbance and disobeying the orders of flight and challenging the flight staff."

Ummm, hate to break it to you two, but that's exactly what Todd Beamer, et al DID. It occurs to me that smart hijackers now will not announce themselves as hijackers, but rather pretend to be US Air Marshalls, and then sheeple passengers such as yourselves will meekly do whatever they're told.

174 posted on 02/12/2002 5:35:02 AM PST by rdww
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To: bimbo
A more complete version of the incident from the Wall St Journal http://online.wsj.com/article/0,4286,SB1013476609960785440,00.html?mod=INDUSTRY):

Executive on Flight to Salt Lake City Is Charged for Going to the Lavatory
By MARTHA BRANNIGAN

A 59-year-old executive on a Delta Air Lines flight to Salt Lake City was charged with interfering with a flight crew after he allegedly stood up and went to the lavatory within 30 minutes of landing, despite a rule adopted for the Olympics that limits such movements by passengers.

Richard Bizzaro, chief executive officer of Unicity Network Inc., faces as long as 20 years in prison and a fine of as much as $250,000 if convicted on the charge, according to authorities. The Saturday arrest was the first since the rule was put in place for the Olympics.

"This is a classic example of a misunderstanding between everyone involved," said Mr. Bizzaro's attorney, Max Wheeler. He said Mr. Bizzaro wasn't aware of the rule and misinterpreted the flight attendant ordering him to his seat as "just being rude."

According to a Federal Bureau of Investigation affidavit filed in federal court in Salt Lake City, Mr. Bizzaro, a first-class passenger on a flight from Los Angeles, got up from his seat 25 minutes before landing and proceeded to the first-class lavatory after the crew had made two announcements advising passengers to remain seated for the last 30 minutes of the flight.

According to the affidavit, a flight attendant who saw him leaving the rest room told him to return to his seat immediately and felt Mr. Bizzaro, who is 6 feet 2 inches tall and weighs 220 pounds, "was attempting to intimidate her" when he stood and stared at her. The affidavit said he returned to his seat after "approximately a minute" and, according to a sky marshal on the plane -- one of several -- gave a "thumbs up," which the agent viewed as a hand signal to another passenger. After the incident, sky marshals took control of the cabin and ordered passengers to put their hands on their heads for the rest of the flight. The affidavit said Mr. Bizzaro removed his hands from his head and looked to the rear of the plane, but "became compliant" after an agent showed his credentials to him and threatened him with arrest if he didn't comply. Mr. Bizzaro was held in jail overnight and released on his own recognizance.

The rule restricting passengers' movements within 30 minutes of Salt Lake City during the Olympics is modeled after a similar Federal Aviation Administration regulation for flights at Reagan National Airport in Washington, D.C., that went into effect after Sept. 11.

Mr. Bizzaro, who Monday issued an apology to the flight's passengers and crew, said that he "apparently dozed during the announcement of that rule." Unicity, of Orem, Utah, is a multilevel marketing concern that specializes in herbal products and is a division of Numico NV, of the Netherlands.

Tom Donahue, a Delta spokesman, said the Atlanta carrier "cooperated fully with authorities during and after the incident."

.................................

Given the fact that he "became compliant" after an agent showed his credentials to him and threatened him with arrest if he didn't comply. ", wasn't shackled, and his "accomplice" apparently wasn't questioned at all, I think the three air marshalls knew beyond question he was no threat and their treatment of the other passengers was clearly abusive.

175 posted on 02/12/2002 5:38:35 AM PST by SJackson
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To: SJackson
According to the affidavit, a flight attendant who saw him leaving the rest room told him to return to his seat immediately and felt Mr. Bizzaro, who is 6 feet 2 inches tall and weighs 220 pounds, "was attempting to intimidate her" when he stood and stared at her.
Shades of the Secret Service agent case. Apparently its now a federal crime to make any of these people the least bit nervous.

-Eric

176 posted on 02/12/2002 5:55:22 AM PST by E Rocc
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To: rdww
"he would have been attacked by them for causing a disturbance and disobeying the orders of flight and challenging the flight staff."

Ummm, hate to break it to you two, but that's exactly what Todd Beamer, et al DID. It occurs to me that smart hijackers now will not announce themselves as hijackers, but rather pretend to be US Air Marshalls, and then sheeple passengers such as yourselves will meekly do whatever they're told.

I would say the latter group was acting in self defense and your man was acting from selfish arrogance. If he had a bowel problem, he needed to tell the flight attendant instead of giving her a one-minute staredown. Contrary to your belief, I consider the air crews to be the good guys just trying to keep their throats intact.

177 posted on 02/12/2002 6:00:19 AM PST by sandlady
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To: Enemy Of The State
No wonder I drive a 1000 miles anymore(have 44 will travel without problems) without tha NAZI feds on board. All actions that mattered in the sky has been handled by the PUBLIC (or co-pilots with an axe). I support Bush in his war on terrorism, and love our military for doing what they do. The FED's are a whole different matter. Control is one thing, being a bunch of pricks is another. Three sky-marshalls? They must have all got on board for a guy named Bizzaro(sp). Bet the guy will ski the "Sierra cement" or Colorado Rockies before he ever goes back to "the greatest snow on earth"! 2002 welcome big brother.
178 posted on 02/12/2002 6:36:07 AM PST by Issaquahking
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To: Enemy Of The State
If I felt as though I was going to vomit or mess my trousers, I would go to the bathroom also. Now the hands on the head routine, so Marshall Kiss my Butt. I wonder if I'm still allowed to use my cane to walk onto the plane or is it a weapon now?
179 posted on 02/12/2002 8:29:28 AM PST by B4Ranch
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To: .30Carbine
Perhaps I missed it, but when did it become illegal, or even suspect, to stare at someone who tells you *after* you have just gone to the can, that you *can't* go to the can, and then give a thumbs-up to a fellow American who sees the humor in the whole act, and probably is in dire need of the can himself?

Is this America?! Does no one else see the insanity here?!

Hold it right there!

Your use of the words American and America indicate a subtle reference to the Constitution and under current FBI guidelines of suspicion of engaging in terrorist activities ve have probable cause to detain you incommunicado and without counsel until the current War on Terrorists is over or in perpetuity, whichever comes first.

You also appear to be a 'Lone Individual', which fits the profile, unless of course we find someone posting back to you which we will construe as 'Cyber-Para-Military training exercises'. We will now be reviewing all of your posts and as long as we don't find any statements supporting the 2nd Ammendment or Christianity we may be persuaded to let you off with a 15 year warning sentence.

Hands away from that keyboard!

180 posted on 02/12/2002 8:52:33 AM PST by TigersEye
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To: TigersEye
Too, too funny! You made my day! (You always do.)

We will now be reviewing all of your posts and as long as we don't find any statements supporting the 2nd Ammendment or Christianity we may be persuaded to let you off with a 15 year warning sentence.

UH-oh! I am in BIG trouble, aren't I?

Will batting my eyelashes help? Hmmm?

181 posted on 02/12/2002 9:45:16 AM PST by .30Carbine
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To: VaBthang4; another1; chainsaw; Proud_texan
What a bunch of goofballs....

You're all whiners who belong over at DU not here.

I'd be the first person to double tap some ATF Agents forehead if he came to my house serve a warrant with a hundred of his buddies dressed in Tac gear but I am not going to whine over a sky marshal doing his job.

You see, I realize that everytime I have a kneejerk reaction about someone enforcing the law I hamstring my credibility when the time comes to really speak up.

Half of you idiots dont care about the law or the constitution........you just dont like being told what to do.

It's a law of creation...........so get used to disappointment.

You drips are usually always standing downwind so "...........I fart in your general direction."

182 posted on 02/12/2002 10:00:08 AM PST by VaBthang4
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To: VaBthang4
"Half of you idiots dont care about the law or the constitution........you just dont like being told what to do."

They... they don't like being told what to do!? Why, they must be COMMUNISSTSSS! HANDS ON HEADS, NOW!!!

183 posted on 02/12/2002 11:13:02 AM PST by rdww
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To: bimbo
You ask if we should have this 30 minute rule expanded to all destinations and would I feel safer. First, I travel for business and on every flight I've been on there's been a 30-minute rule. And yes, since you asked, I do feel safer.
184 posted on 02/12/2002 11:19:20 AM PST by FreeTheHostages
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To: Enemy Of The State
You write: how ironic that this guy has the name "free the hostages?"

I'm a girl, not a guy, and "FreetheHostages" concerned the Chinese holding our civilians after downing their spy plane. But I've also been a prosecutor, and I well know that the brief detention of persons for the safety of others is consistent with, and not antithetical to, our civic freedom. I'm a conservative, but not one of those who things the abolition of all police power is the road to freedom. That's the road to anarchy. Freedom can't exist without law and order.

One of you has objected that you have prostate problems. I'm sorry and I do sympathize. I've been on many flights with the 30-minute rule: passengers are always given a warning before the 30 minutes start. So I would hope that would handle that problem. But if people have a problem where they need to use the bathroom more than every 30 minutes, as things stand now, I recommend the train.
185 posted on 02/12/2002 11:23:49 AM PST by FreeTheHostages
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To: rdww
...amen. ;o)
186 posted on 02/12/2002 11:24:45 AM PST by VaBthang4
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To: FreeTheHostages;b4ranch;seekingthetruth
I've also been a prosecutor

aahh yes! the LOOOOng arm of the Law... It just keeps growing and growing and growing. It seems to be in everybody's business these days.

I believe in adhering to the rules of law but not protection for your own good!

Regards!

EOTS

187 posted on 02/12/2002 11:34:12 AM PST by Enemy Of The State
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To: Just_another_man
If this 6'2", 220 lb. passenger had been on Flight 93 his fellow passengers may have been lucky enough to have him act before everyone was herded like a bunch of rabbits into the rear of the aircraft by three punks with armed with (Gasp!!) box cutters.

A variation on a simple kids' game could have saved the day. (Hint: Airline blanket covers box cutter and scurvy head. Briefcase crushes skull).

"Let's Roll!!", my @**. The time to "roll" was before the camel-molesting bastards took over the cockpit and left everybody on board with nothing to lose......

188 posted on 02/12/2002 11:46:57 AM PST by tracer
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To: .30Carbine
.30: Too, too funny! You made my day! (You always do.)

I guess you think this is just a joke!?

TE: We will now be reviewing all of your posts and as long as we don't find any statements supporting the 2nd Ammendment or Christianity we may be persuaded to let you off with a 15 year warning sentence.

.30: UH-oh! I am in BIG trouble, aren't I?

You have been found with all three vectors of probable cause to suspect you of militia/domestic terrorist involvement as distributed by the FBI to local LEO's two years ago. Pro 2nd ammend. bumper stickers, a copy of the Constitution and a Bible. (This part ain't a joke folks, they actually did that.) Now you are baiting a statist fool, I think you'll be going away for a long time.

.30: Will batting my eyelashes help? Hmmm?

Sorry, honey! We ain't your local donut crunchers here. Lon will take care of those eyelashes for you if they so much as flutter.

Drop the Scripture, Bible thumper! This subversive truth-talk will not be tolerated in der Homeland!

189 posted on 02/12/2002 12:15:10 PM PST by TigersEye
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To: FreeTheHostages
I've been on many flights with the 30-minute rule: passengers are always given a warning before the 30 minutes start. So I would hope that would handle that problem. But if people have a problem where they need to use the bathroom more than every 30 minutes, as things stand now, I recommend the train.

According to published information, the 30 minute rule just went into effect a few days ago and only pertains to flights into Salt Lake City.

How does this fit with your above statement, Madam Proscecutor?

FWI, I flew on 1/30 and 2/3 and there was no 30 minute rule in effect.

Splain, please.

190 posted on 02/12/2002 12:25:16 PM PST by Seeking the truth
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To: TigersEye;all
Are you a domestic terrorist? Are you sure? Check this FBI pamphlet that was recently distributed in AZ. Here are the links to scans of the front and back. (It takes up too much bandwidth to post it.)

Front page of FBI pamphlet.

Back page of FBI pamphlet.

It is also posted at this website with exerpts of conversations with the Maricopa county Sheriffs dept. concerning its distribution. Here are just a few of them.

Public Servants Going After "Constitutional Terrorists"? by Angel
November 14, 2001
KeepAndBearArms.com --
The Phoenix Federal Bureau of Investigation, the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office (Greater Phoenix, Arizona), and the Maricopa County Attorney are handing out flyers asking the recipients to help them fight domestic terrorism.

I received one of these flyers this past weekend at the Arizona "Freedom in the 21st Century" gathering. One member of the Sheriff's Posse Reserve in attendance said he'd seen the flyer before and that it is legitimate.
[I will be getting verification before this report goes live on our site, including recording phone calls to these people.]

Called the Joint Terrorism Task Force, the program was created, presumably, to help preserve the American way of life, right? In part, probably. However, it also looks like it's a disinformation campaign to paint least a few groups of Real Americans as domestic terrorists.
Among other things, the dynamic trio is asking people: "If you encounter any of the following, Call the Joint Terrorism Task Force":

"defenders of the US Constitution against federal government and the UN" [That describes many civil liberties groups and most gun rights and American Sovereignty groups in existence -- and, by extension, their members.]

"Groups of individuals engaging in para-military training" [Such as, perhaps, shooting your semi-automatic "assault weapon" with some friends out in the desert?"]

Also being sought are "Common Law Movement Proponents" who "Request authority for a stop" [That's illegal now?]

"Make numerous references to the US Constitution" [That's illegal now?]

"Attempt to 'police the police'" [That's illegal now?]

And let's not forget the other potential "domestic terrorists" being sought. We really need to watch out for these people:

"Lone Individuals" [Do you meet that description?]

"Rebels" [Know any gun rights activist who doesn't have at least a touch of rebel pumping through the old bloodstream?]

Be sure and notice the following two things on the flyer, as well:
1) There is NOT ONE MENTION of "Islamic Fundamentalists" anywhere.
2) Defenders of the US Constitution and the common law from which it grew are being classified on the same level as the bottom-feeding Skinheads, Nazis and the KKK.

"I just spoke to Terry Chapman, whose name is on the flyer, of the Maricopa County Sheriff's Dept. He said that the Sheriff's office demanded that the FBI stop circulating the flyer as long as the Sheriff's Dept was associated with it. He believes that they have stopped circulating it. I said they need to issue an apology and a retraction.

I told him that there is no need to profile people into categories. If they commit a crime, they are a criminal. No other profile needs to exist.

He said he was disgusted by the flyer.

He said one of his own Lieutenants called him and said, "Terry, I guess I am on the list of Domestic Terrorists since I believe in the US Constitution."

He said the Sheriff's office has been inundated with calls about this flyer.

He asked me if I received the flyer in the mail or if it was on the Internet. When I responded with the latter, he said, "aww,God."

I told him it would probably be circulating for a long time. He knew.

Well, as we've been educated on this thread "Rules are rules" folks. And rules of probable cause to detain and search have been so broadly and vaguely expanded virtually everyone here who has taken issue with the statist-sheeple has identified themselves as a terrorist. Put your hands on your head and surrender now.
Keep the chirrens safe.

191 posted on 02/12/2002 1:19:48 PM PST by TigersEye
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To: VaBthang4
You see, I realize that everytime I have a kneejerk reaction about someone enforcing the law I hamstring my credibility when the time comes to really speak up.

People like you never speak up except to ridicule those who do not share your robotic worshipful obedience to the state.

192 posted on 02/13/2002 2:01:05 AM PST by another1
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To: FreeTheHostages
"Wrong. This was an entirely appropriate use of police authority. Follow the rules & for goodness sakes don't give airplane crews a hard time. He did this going into Salt Lake, too. Inexcusable." Should anyone have the least doubt that the American people are gradually becoming adjusted to living in a police state, just read the above post a few times.
193 posted on 02/13/2002 5:14:19 AM PST by gcallah
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To: gcallah
Police state. LOL. Are you guys all paranoid schizophrenics? Read the Gulag Archipelog a couple of times more and tell me that we're a police state. I've ridden on lots of commercial flights in the last 60 days and on every one of them, 30 minutes before, we were asked to stay in our seats. We were told to stay in our seats. It has *long* been the case that in the law of the air, those instructions of the crew are the law. If you have a problem with the law because you don't like it, then in a democracy you don't whine that boo-hoo it's Stalinism, you lobby your legislator to have the law changed. You guys really are a bunch of whiners. Just stay in your seats. The "right to walk about the plane in the last 30 minutes of the flight or all rights as I know them are surely vanquished" crowd. Sheesh. Get a grip.
194 posted on 02/13/2002 6:49:42 AM PST by FreeTheHostages
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To: another1
That was brilliant.

You're an idiot and probably more to the point....a coward banging the drum.

195 posted on 02/13/2002 11:57:47 AM PST by VaBthang4
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To: FreeTheHostages
He should have went to bathroom in L.A, airport, and or right after flight leveled off. I have no sympathy for somebody like that unless it was a medical emergency. Then he can tell it to the judge.
196 posted on 02/13/2002 7:51:52 PM PST by timestax
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To: monday
Perhaps passengers should be allowed to select, or even pre-select, potential charges. Rather than facing 20 years for switching seats, they could select only ten for peeing one's self, or if that is too embarrassing , 15 years to stand up and urinate, accepting the consequences of the second charge for more public exposure, but reduced humiliation. As for the air marshals, cut off their TV privileges.
197 posted on 02/14/2002 8:27:23 AM PST by johnjohn
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To: Daus
Nice story but SAC no longer exists since at least the early 1990's. Try again, this time with a branch of the Air Force that actually exists.....
198 posted on 04/11/2003 3:46:51 PM PDT by det5blackcat
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To: Enemy Of The State
Want to fix this? Don't fly

Make the Airlines beat some GD sense into the Air Marshals. I can understand the need for heightened security, but what they are doing is bullshit. Hit them where it hurts. Hit their pocket book. I guarantee you that if enough passengers complain to the air lines AND our representatives, they will get the kiddy guarders under control and start implementing some REAL security measures.

Semper Fi
199 posted on 04/11/2003 3:52:03 PM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (Another Marine Reporting Sir, I've served my time in Hell)
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To: Daus
If the Air marshals were really all that worries about the "30 minute" rule, why in hell did they wait until the guy gave a "Thumbs up"? If they were really doing their damn job they would have arrested this individual on the spot. They watched him get up, go to the bathroom, use it, exit the bathroom. If going to the bathroom in that 30 minute window was really against the law, then the Marshals are guilty of gross criminal negligence and should be fired.

This claptrap about a 30 minute rule is just one more thing for your federal govt to shove down your throat instead of enacting real security reforms.

And like good little sheep, everyone goes along with it.

Baa Baa Baa

Semper Fi
200 posted on 04/11/2003 3:57:06 PM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (Another Marine Reporting Sir, I've served my time in Hell)
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