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Airline Passenger Arrested for Leaving Seat Within 30 Minutes of Salt Lake City
Fox News ^ | 2/11/02

Posted on 02/11/2002 12:42:32 PM PST by Enemy Of The State

Edited on 04/22/2004 12:32:30 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

SALT LAKE CITY — An airline passenger who allegedly got up to go the bathroom less than 30 minutes before landing became the first person arrested under a new federal flight regulation adopted for the Olympics.

Richard Bizarro, 59, could get up to 20 years in prison on charges of interfering with a flight crew.


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To: FITZ
Maybe everyone boarding a plane should be catheterized so they won't need to use the bathroom.

LOL - I can just see a booming business opportunity for Depends!

51 posted on 02/11/2002 1:37:21 PM PST by Arizona
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To: FITZ
Thanks for posting that, I needed a shudder today. LOL LOL.
52 posted on 02/11/2002 1:38:40 PM PST by Johnny_Apollo
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To: VaBthang4
bump
53 posted on 02/11/2002 1:40:15 PM PST by homeschool mama
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To: toupsie
ROTFLMO!!!..
54 posted on 02/11/2002 1:40:21 PM PST by Enemy Of The State
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To: Enemy Of The State
Twenty years, yeah. Sumbuddy better be going to them prisons for twenny years, or else they'll soon be emptying out. Why, Ms Soliah got 20 years to life and her lawyah said he'd get her out on parole in two and a half, and then Normal Mailer's favourite morderer jus up and cheated on the criminal justice system and escaped punishment (and likely parole in 2003,) so we got to get some real criminals in there! Is Richard Jewell available?
55 posted on 02/11/2002 1:40:24 PM PST by Revolting cat!
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To: FreeTheHostages
bump
56 posted on 02/11/2002 1:40:48 PM PST by homeschool mama
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To: mille99
What if we began screening anyone who purchases a ticket to fly? To do this effectively would require profiling of course (this will never happen given the PC 'guilty white American guy' climate we are in). The other thing that would make sense is arming everyone from the pilots to the steward crew. Then they wouldn't have to arrest someone just for going to the bathroom (and there would not be a ridiculous 30 minute rule).
57 posted on 02/11/2002 1:40:58 PM PST by whenigettime
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To: B4Ranch
Ping!
58 posted on 02/11/2002 1:41:09 PM PST by Enemy Of The State
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To: Enemy Of The State
An alternative to the madness
59 posted on 02/11/2002 1:43:27 PM PST by B-Chan
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To: VaBthang4
Bravo to the skyMarshals.

Have you seen the earnings statements of the airlines recently? I'm not flying anymore.

60 posted on 02/11/2002 1:43:51 PM PST by saminfl
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To: Viet Vet in Augusta GA

61 posted on 02/11/2002 1:43:53 PM PST by CapandBall
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To: GOP Jedi

62 posted on 02/11/2002 1:46:21 PM PST by glock rocks
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To: Enemy Of The State
For crying out loud people, STOP FLYING!
63 posted on 02/11/2002 1:49:42 PM PST by thepitts
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To: tallhappy; Rain-maker; Slyfox; Free the USA; PhilDragoo;Rightwing2; Flamefront;ChaseR; Sawdring...
Ping!
64 posted on 02/11/2002 1:52:48 PM PST by Enemy Of The State
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To: saminfl
"Have you seen the earnings statements of the airlines recently? I'm not flying anymore."

Hmmm....

The Airlines are or are not making money....I guess I'll never fly again.

Okay.

Not quite sure what kind of sense that makes or what it has to do with this thread...

...but if that is what you wanna do...it's a free country.

65 posted on 02/11/2002 2:03:13 PM PST by VaBthang4
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To: Enemy Of The State
Because of the incident, air marshals aboard the plane ordered all passengers to put their hands on their heads for the rest of the flight.

Well, looks like I would be arrested. I would not obey that BS. That is blatantly unconstitutional, IMHO.

66 posted on 02/11/2002 2:03:58 PM PST by Seeking the truth
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To: Enemy Of The State
Richard Bizarro

How appropriate, considering that we now live in the Bizarro world.

67 posted on 02/11/2002 2:06:35 PM PST by B Knotts
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To: .30Carbine
"Perhaps I missed it, but when did it become illegal, or even suspect, to stare at someone who tells you *after* you have just gone to the can, that you *can't* go to the can..."

You missed it.

Authorities said a flight attendant instructed Bizarro to return to his seat immediately after he left the bathroom.

69 posted on 02/11/2002 2:15:02 PM PST by sandlady
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To: Enemy Of The State
That includes answering mother natures call..

Obviously you have been absent from the real world.

70 posted on 02/11/2002 2:15:08 PM PST by cinFLA
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To: Enemy Of The State
I wonder how many people are appreciating the beginning of our police state. It will only get worse not better folks.

Do not fly, plan ahead, drive.
See the USA in your Chevrolet.
But don't forget your national ID papers.

When the airline industry goes bankrupt they will change some of these silly rules.

71 posted on 02/11/2002 2:17:09 PM PST by chainsaw
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To: Seeking the truth
"Because of the incident, air marshals aboard the plane ordered all passengers to put their hands on their heads for the rest of the flight.

Well, looks like I would be arrested. I would not obey that BS. That is blatantly unconstitutional, IMHO."

*smile* Such a rebel:) I guess we will be reading about you on FR next time you decide to fly?

72 posted on 02/11/2002 2:17:39 PM PST by monday
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To: monday
Actually, do a search on FR. You may learn something. :)
73 posted on 02/11/2002 2:21:07 PM PST by Seeking the truth
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To: Enemy Of The State
all he did was stare at the flt. attendant. There werent any reports of him giving her a hard time.

It was reported that he gave her a one-minute stare-down.

20 years in prison for going to the bathroom...

Had he returned to his seat after going to the restroom, this wouldn't be a story.

I can see detaining the man or maybe even slapping him with a fine but not 20 years.

I doubt he'll get 20 years.

74 posted on 02/11/2002 2:21:54 PM PST by sandlady
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To: sandlady
All he has to do is say that he felt faint and disorented and didn't understand her. How are they going to prove him wrong...
75 posted on 02/11/2002 2:24:21 PM PST by babygene
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To: sandlady
You must be an ex-stew the way you are interpeting these events!
76 posted on 02/11/2002 2:25:25 PM PST by Seeking the truth
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To: Enemy Of The State
Because of the incident, air marshals aboard the plane ordered all passengers to put their hands on their heads for the rest of the flight

Gee, I'm sure glad John McCain wasn't on board, or he would have been arrested, too!

77 posted on 02/11/2002 2:25:49 PM PST by hillary's_fat_a**
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To: FreeTheHostages
I very much support the Bush Administration's war against terror and have attended many of the peaceful FREEP gatherings in support of our troops.

This was an entirely appropriate use of police authority. Follow the rules & for goodness sakes don't give airplane crews a hard time. He did this going into Salt Lake, too. Inexcusable.

I have difficulty determining where you are coming from. These rules or laws are clearly unconstitutional. This is more like the Nazi gastapo in germany during WWII.

78 posted on 02/11/2002 2:28:25 PM PST by chainsaw
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To: areafiftyone
Ummmm....

Hypothetical situation:


I grab a bite to eat at my departure airport from one of the lovely food venders. Upon boarding the plane I get an awfull churning feeling in my gut. 30 minutes into the flight I am running to the bathroom to keep from crapping my pants. Things settle down a bit for a while, but about 30 minutes before we are to land (ok- in this case - Salt Lake City) I get the most awfull cramps and can feel the squirts getting ready to blow out the seat of my pants. I better just sit there and crap my seat?

I don't think so......this is going just too far. Now I'm not implying that this is the situation in the real news story, but what is a person suppose to do in a bathroom emergency? Take out a barf bag and pull your drawers down and try to crap in the bag?

Now, I have seen passengers on flights that just refused to follow the instructions for staying in seats. On the other hand, exactly where do you draw the line?

79 posted on 02/11/2002 2:28:48 PM PST by TheBattman
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To: areafiftyone
This guy was a troublemaker.

Gestapo tactics aside, that's how I read into this guy's intentions, too. He appeared to be intentionally planning to break the rules. Foul on both sides -- the marshals should have just tied him up alone with the 'thumbs up' companion.

Well, the courts will have fun now.

80 posted on 02/11/2002 2:33:45 PM PST by flamefront
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To: Axelsrd
...Because he returned to his seat "slowly", the marshalls must have thought he was a terrorist which indicts the entire Federal screening process which is supposed to detect/screen out potential terrorists.

Why have air marshalls? As for me, I appreciate the layered security. I'm sure the crews appreciate it, too.

81 posted on 02/11/2002 2:39:27 PM PST by sandlady
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To: areafiftyone
This guy was a troublemaker.

Gestapo tactics aside, that's how I read into this guy's intentions, too. He appeared to be intentionally planning to break the rules. Foul on both sides -- the marshals should have just tied him up alone with the 'thumbs up' companion.

Well, the courts will have fun now.

82 posted on 02/11/2002 2:42:14 PM PST by flamefront
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To: VaBthang4
The sky Marshal said Bizarro[aptly named] gave a thumbs up to another passenger.

You are assuming that the sky marshals are telling the truth. To whom did he give the thumbs up to? That person should have been arrested too. Or did he just give the thumbs up to the flight attendant? Did he nod his head or speak to anyone on his way back to his seat? Or is that against the law too.

83 posted on 02/11/2002 2:44:19 PM PST by chainsaw
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To: monday
I'm become more of a rebel all the time. This is so over the top, I am surprised that more Freepers just want to accept it and blame the guy rather than a bad law.

Maybe, that water in my pot had just reached 212 degrees.

I am a law & order guy. I laugh at those Freepers who worry about the curtailing of civil rights with the Anti-Terrorism and Patriots Acts.

Hell, you don't want to hear my position on capital punishment. (Hint: Our population would be greatly reduced)

This article has really pissed me off. Enough is enough.

Look. My wife and I returned from CPAC Sunday night via Baltimore/DC airport. We had a booth at CPAC and we had to pack up stuff to ship back home. I had packed my Swiss Army knife and Leatherman tool in one the boxes that was shipped to the warehouse in advance of the show.

I used the tools to set up booth, cut things...etc. I then put tools in my briefcase. The last day, I had to use the Swiss Army Knife to pack and tape the boxes to ship home.

I forgot to toss the knife into the boxes so I put it in my briefcase.

As I'm standing the security line, I realized the knife is directly on top of the papers in the briefcase. Very easy to see.

Ok, quick analysis. What do I do? If I report it, what are the consequences. One, kiss my over 20 year old Swiss Army Knife goodbye - that was a given. Two, what will the authorities do? Shoot me, arrest me, detain me....who knows.

I looked at the scanner. Young, black, bored not totally interested in what he was doing. Occasionally looking at the screen but only occassionally.

Decision. I'll go through and take my chances and cross that bridge....

Correct Decision. He never even looked.

Of course, when he becomes a Federalized Employee, I will certainly give myself up right away! (/sarcasm)

So, security failed last Sunday but now I can't take a piss because of some new law.

Folks, it's time for some of us to start saying "No, this is an unlawful law. I am an American and I still have some civil rights.

Rant Off!

84 posted on 02/11/2002 2:46:36 PM PST by Seeking the truth
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To: Seeking the truth
You must be an ex-stew the way you are interpeting these events!

Nope-not an "ex-stew." I'm not interpreting anything-all my quotes come from the article. I did give my opinion about the amount of time I don't think he'll get.

85 posted on 02/11/2002 2:47:39 PM PST by sandlady
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To: Enemy Of The State
Sounds like someone who needs to constantly be center of attention. He didn't have to pee, he just wanted to show how macho he was. The guy's a jackass and just wanted to cause trouble. He needs a good, hard slap.
86 posted on 02/11/2002 2:54:41 PM PST by Indiana Girl
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To: Enemy Of The State
"This is no time to be engaging in little acts of machismo and defiance."

You mean like the passengers on Flight 93, fighting back against hijackers? btw, the scariest aspect of this thread are the dickwits above trying to justify the legal response to this.

88 posted on 02/11/2002 3:01:15 PM PST by rdww
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To: Just_another_man
Yes, but, putting my hands over my head is too much of an inconvenience for me. It is very inconvenient to have my civil rights suspended yet again while the real criminals or potential terrorists are untouchable because of profiling or whatever.

It can never happen here. I still believe that BUT BS like putting your hands over your head is getting me thinking someehat differently.

I live in Boca Raton, FL. You can not work for the city if you are a smoker - even in your home!

You can not use a cell phone within the city limits.

You can't cut down a tree threatening to crash onto your house unless the city government says so.

A new High School up the road now graduates students as "World Citizens" and the school is waitlisted!

See the progression. Somewhere, we have to start saying no and enough is enough.

90 posted on 02/11/2002 3:14:08 PM PST by Seeking the truth
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To: Seeking the truth
I agree it's time to "rant off".

Let's get trained, educated, US citizens leading the airline screening process.

Let's get the baggage screening in place.

Let's agree that passengers now have to follow different rules. If you can't get up for the last 30 minutes of a flight...then you don't get up. We all understand what this about.

And, let's make penalties realistic. Instead of 20 years for acting like an overgrown adolescent, how about hitting this guy where it really hurts? How about a large five figure fine and suspension of his right to fly for six months?

We don't need to be told to keep our hands on our heads...we need to tell the airlines and the Dept. of Transportation to get their heads back where the sun shines.

91 posted on 02/11/2002 3:19:12 PM PST by Right_in_Virginia
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To: Seeking the truth
"Folks, it's time for some of us to start saying "No, this is an unlawful law. I am an American and I still have some civil rights. "

On the one hand I know what you mean, but on the other....well. I am not sure what I would have done if I had been on the flight w/ Bizarro? After hearing the Captain warn everyone to stay in his seat, I would have been very nervous if someone stood up and walked towards the front of the plane five minutes later. I think Bizarro should have at least called the flight attendent first. If Bizarro had been young and Middle Eastern looking, well I don't know? I might have tackled him myself, and I don't think I would be the only one. Fear can produce some very strong reactions in people, and those like Bizarro need to understand this.

92 posted on 02/11/2002 3:24:16 PM PST by monday
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To: Enemy Of The State
Mug shot:


93 posted on 02/11/2002 3:28:42 PM PST by Charles Henrickson
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To: FITZ

Ladies and gentlemen, In the back of the seat in front of you please find one set of earphones, one barf bag, one portable urinal, and your inflight magazine.
94 posted on 02/11/2002 3:33:06 PM PST by fivetoes
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To: FreeTheHostages
Oh, bullsh*t!!!

THis just shows how sheeplike Americans have become;may you p*ss your pants in public when the Gestapo comes down on you.

It is somewhere between inexpressably sad and ludicrous what the current citizens of this once-free nation accept,demand, and laud in the name of SECURITY.

"Those that give up freedom for security deserve neither"(Apologies to the original author for inexactness of quote.)

95 posted on 02/11/2002 3:37:11 PM PST by hoosierham
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To: monday
My comments were not really about him at all.

All I know is that my Dad and my father-in-law have to truncate our phone calls very frequently because their meds make him go - and go right now!

However re: Bizarro. Remember the article said 3 air marshalls were on the flight. This guy gets up and makes it to the bathroom.

What the heck were they doing. Reading Skymall?

If he was a terrorist and was going to do something in the bathroom, well, we would be looking for the black box right about now, wouldn't we?

So, guy does his thing and comes out. Now, what is Mr. Bizarro going to do? Only one thing and that is to return to his seat. Where else is he going to go? There is no where else to go!

So, some stew gets Dachau Frau attitude going and orders him to sit down. Well, that is what he was going to do!

Obviously, not fast enought so she repeats her order to assert control as they teach to do.

His act of defiance is to look back, stare, glare - all offenses worthly of death certainly and then some passenger (it could have been me!) says something or winks or says "attaboy" and this 61 year old man gives a thumbs up and o my God, how dare he do that?

This whole thing is absurd. It ends with all the innocent people with their hands over their heads!

In my many millions of flight miles, I've seen more stews with a tude than passengers.

BA...baaa.....baaaaa

96 posted on 02/11/2002 3:41:46 PM PST by Seeking the truth
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To: Enemy Of The State
Bizarro arrested, somehow this doesn't suprise me...


97 posted on 02/11/2002 3:42:49 PM PST by Rain-maker
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To: monday
I guess we will be reading about you on FR next time you decide to fly?

You will probably hear about me too. If they explained that the mininum penalty for not putting my hands on my head because somebody else went to the john was lethal injection- well, they'll execute me. My freedom and civil rights mean too much to me. I simply will not comply even if it means making an orphan of my son. I'm an American. Period. I hope the airlines go bankrupt. I mean that and I aim to help that cause by not flying.

98 posted on 02/11/2002 3:47:57 PM PST by Prodigal Son
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To: Enemy Of The State
No thanks. I'll drive.

Having both driven and flown across America I've come to the conclusion that in a car...
I'm in control. I can do as I please. I only have to worry about 2 dimensions. (that third one is a killer!)The scenery is better. I can eat whatever and whenever I want. No snotty stewardess. No layovers. No bumped flights. No one is frisking me...etc

99 posted on 02/11/2002 3:57:44 PM PST by Archaeus
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To: Russ
"The part that bothers me is ordering all passengers to put their hands on their heads for the remainder of the flight."

Not to worry. The control freaks are taking advantage of the knee jerk atomsphere from Sept 11 to pass all kinds of new restrictions on human behavior. I predict there will be a backlash in the next couple of years and it will cost lives. Imagine the congressional hearings after a fatal passenger mutiny.

100 posted on 02/11/2002 4:02:27 PM PST by SSN558
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