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Canadian Figure Skaters Get Gold, Russians Furious
Yahoo ^ | 2/15/02 | Adrian Warner

Posted on 02/15/2002 11:42:28 AM PST by The_Victor

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To: MarkWar
Rather than punish her, shouldn't she be rewarded for being brave enough to speak out about being pressured to fix the event? (But I'll be honest, mostly I'm taking her side because she's so pretty...)

That would be like stating " I was pressured into stealing that money". Ok, she coughed up but she should get her sorry arse back to France with the rest of those cheap eurotrashers. Actually she didn't look that cute to me looks like she had been eating too many french pastries.

151 posted on 02/15/2002 2:14:51 PM PST by Lent
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To: HennepinPrisoner
There were other judges that gave them 2's. You have to ask 'why' and yet no one is questioning them.'Why'?
152 posted on 02/15/2002 2:15:02 PM PST by scrabble
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To: The_Victor
As long as the cheating Russians are mad, it's a happy ending.
153 posted on 02/15/2002 2:15:05 PM PST by xm177e2
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To: The_Victor
Russia should hold their tongue since the investigation isn't over yet. From what I understand, they are investigating the collusion of four other countries in the scandal and you can bet your bottom dollar, one of them is Russia.
154 posted on 02/15/2002 2:20:10 PM PST by mass55th
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156 posted on 02/15/2002 2:32:33 PM PST by ATOMIC_PUNK
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To: mass55th
Those 4 countries are probably yak countries. (see link above, if you haven't read it, its a must read, very funny)
157 posted on 02/15/2002 2:32:59 PM PST by ET(end tyranny)
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To: HennepinPrisoner; Stefan Stackhouse
I agree with the two of you.

I wasn't following this story at all until this afternoon. I was watching Passions and it got pre-empted for live coverage of the press conference. I kept hoping that they'd cut back to the soaps (after all, the cliffhanger episode is usually on a Friday), so I watched the Canadian skaters as they responded to questions from the media.

They both made a nice impression. David Pelletier has a mischievous sense of humor with a deadpan accented delivery. I'm not interested in skating, but I will be interested to see how the incident affects Pelletier's future. Perhaps he'll become a different type of performer?

Best holiday weekend wishes to everyone here on FR!

158 posted on 02/15/2002 2:56:49 PM PST by buickmackane
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To: thinktwice
China is equally furious over the Taiwan flag being flown here and there in Salt Lake city.

Speaking of which, I wonder how the IOC is going to handle the Taiwan flag flying in the summer games in China ('04 or '08?). THAT will be a fun political fight to see!!

159 posted on 02/15/2002 2:58:29 PM PST by CedarDave
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To: Utah Girl
There was a picture of them falling in the short program on another thread. I don't know though if it was part of the same medal competition or even at these games.
160 posted on 02/15/2002 3:01:15 PM PST by CedarDave
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To: CedarDave
At the end of the short program, when the music ended, they made a move where Sale sits on Peltiers knee. I guess he wasn't paying attention because the next thing they knew, Sale was on the ice. It was even during the program. And the only criticism I have of the Canadians is that I feel they didn't quite take the short program seriously enough. They skated well, but the Russians were brilliant in the short program.
161 posted on 02/15/2002 3:06:40 PM PST by Utah Girl
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To: Snuffington
Of course the Russians are furious. Regardless of the spin they try to put on it, this action will be seen by the rest of the world as an admission by the Olympic Comittee that the Russians didn't earn their gold.

I agree. I don't like this at all. I think it would have been better for Sale and Pelletier to be the Gold Medalists of Public Opinion than to subsequently issue duplicate Golds.

It's not like the Russians cheated, as did the East German women's swim team was proved to have done in Montreal.

162 posted on 02/15/2002 3:16:55 PM PST by L.N. Smithee
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To: The_Victor
The Russians are just mad because the mean little Canadians exposed their little scam.
163 posted on 02/15/2002 3:46:19 PM PST by Thane_Banquo
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To: Utah Girl
My theory on this is that while the Russian female skater's skirt fluttered demurely about her hips, Sele seemed to have a significant hinder-binder going on. Clearly this took away from artistic impression scores (but did not seem to effect her technique).
164 posted on 02/15/2002 3:49:16 PM PST by Randjuke
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To: Randjuke
I was kinda thinking along the same lines last night. The third Russian male skater came out in a fluttery shirt, I wonder if the ruffly stuff makes them look more graceful. I remember Ilia Kulik winning the 1998 gold medal for the men, and he had a white ruffled shirt on. And I mean there were major ruffles.
165 posted on 02/15/2002 3:52:32 PM PST by Utah Girl
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To: buickmackane
David Pelletier has a mischievous sense of humor

Yes he does! His remarks during the press conference were very funny....quite an accomplishment coming from someone who just 4 days later was screwed out of a gold medal by a corrupt judge(s).

I especially liked his remark about "...maybe getting the bronze as well and then we'll have all 3"....very funny!

I imagine David will be invited by David Letterman and Jay Leno very soon....he not only has Olympic talent, he has a personality.

Not to take anything away from Jamie Sale, but she was a bit more timid during the press conference....but she also has exhibited maturity and class during this whole ordeal.

I always take pot shots at "Socialist Canadians" on this forum, but it is all in jest. In all honesty, I have never met a Canuck I didn't like.

166 posted on 02/15/2002 4:13:40 PM PST by HennepinPrisoner
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To: mickie
What a presendence this sets for others who don't win as big as they think they should!

The French judge ADMITTED that the French Skaing organization put pressure on her to vote for the Russians.

Do you think the French Skating assocaition just did that for the hell of it?

The judge cheated. IMO, the Russians should have had their medal taken away.

167 posted on 02/15/2002 4:21:44 PM PST by Howlin
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To: Serge
Hey, you Russkies need all the help you can get but when you get caught cheating.....like when your heroes were stripped of their European title after Berezhnaya tested positive for a banned substance. Remember that little charade?
169 posted on 02/15/2002 4:42:37 PM PST by Lent
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To: ET(end tyranny)
I thought the Rusian skating team was stripped of the gold and the Candians received it. I also heard the judges involved were under investigation.
171 posted on 02/15/2002 4:56:11 PM PST by ZULU
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To: Serge
LOL! You didn't know your hero couple was stripped of their European title because your Russkie girl tested positive for a banned substance?LOL!
173 posted on 02/15/2002 5:02:34 PM PST by Lent
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To: The_Victor
This Russian couple is being a bit melodramatic saying they cannot enjoy their life now with the way things are. He keeps saying it is very bad for them.
174 posted on 02/15/2002 5:05:43 PM PST by sweetliberty
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To: ET(end tyranny)
Check out: http://dailynews.att.net/cgi-bin/news?e=pri&dt=020215&cat=news&st=newsolympicsfigureskatingdc.html
175 posted on 02/15/2002 7:09:56 PM PST by ZULU
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To: The_Victor
Some points

1. I wonder if the American press would be making as much fuss about this if the positions of the Russians and Canadians were reversed. I doubt it.

2. Did you ever notice what appears to be "block" voting on the part of what could be loosly described as "west-allied" countries? (hard to believe were still locked into this dichotomy). The U.S., Germans, Japanese and some other like-positioned country all voted for the Canadians. This breakdown seems to occur a lot, if you stop to look.

3. I wonder if Americans would be as sympathetic toward the Canadians in this issue, "outraged" in fact, if they truly knew the amount of contempt the average Canadian has for America, and Americans generally.
176 posted on 02/15/2002 7:22:12 PM PST by ProbableCause
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To: Serge
Later they may replay it.

Serge, pal, I guarentee you they won't be changing the medal colors again now -- pressure or no pressure.

They did what they did because they had evidence. If they hadn't, they wouldn't have rushed to get this done *instead* of letting it go to the sports arbitration court. No one confident of winning fears an arbitrator.

177 posted on 02/15/2002 8:03:29 PM PST by Exigence
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To: Colonel_Flagg
The judged "sports" like snowboarding, hot dog skiing and now figure skating really don't do anything for me in the first place. I for one wouldn't miss them if they were gone

And my point was, to some extent, all sports are "judged." Even a race has an official to rule on bumps, faulty starts, etc. Human judgement is and always has been a part of sports.

As to boxing, the operative word is "can." And, there is still an official in the ring making judgements moment to moment that influences whether or not a KO may occur.

178 posted on 02/15/2002 8:06:34 PM PST by Exigence
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To: ET(end tyranny)
LOL! Dave Barry is the cat's meow.
179 posted on 02/15/2002 8:09:06 PM PST by Exigence
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To: Serge
BTW discard her votes completely from russian and canadian score and see what happens.

Ummm... that's what they *did.* That gave four first place ordinals to each pair.

Now, what was the point again?

180 posted on 02/15/2002 8:11:13 PM PST by Exigence
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To: Snuffington
Of course the Russians are furious. Regardless of the spin they try to put on it, this action will be seen by the rest of the world as an admission by the Olympic Comittee that the Russians didn't earn their gold.

They didn't earn their gold.
181 posted on 02/15/2002 8:13:24 PM PST by aruanan
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To: Utah Girl
Sale didn't look very demure, with her whole bare butt hanging out. What a little tart!
182 posted on 02/15/2002 8:21:29 PM PST by Palladin
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To: Utah Girl
I was kinda thinking along the same lines last night. The third Russian male skater came out in a fluttery shirt, I wonder if the ruffly stuff makes them look more graceful. I remember Ilia Kulik winning the 1998 gold medal for the men, and he had a white ruffled shirt on. And I mean there were major ruffles.

I haven't decided what's more abhorrent -- the pairs' judging scandal, or the ridiculous outfits the male figure skaters wear!

183 posted on 02/15/2002 8:45:16 PM PST by NYCVirago
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To: Lent
>Actually she didn't look that cute to me looks like she had been eating too many french pastries.

Could be. I just saw a picture of her from the neck up. (I looked briefly, just now, but I couldn't find any pictures of her on the web...)

But, even if she is not Twiggy, don't forget, just a few weeks ago I put up this thread:

Zaftig: The Case for Curves

Mark W.

184 posted on 02/16/2002 6:27:56 AM PST by MarkWar
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To: MarkWar
Hehehehe.
185 posted on 02/16/2002 7:34:46 AM PST by Lent
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To: Palladin
Oh c'mon,,her butt had stockings on it and if you look at the men swimmers, well, they are pretty tart like. I did think that the Canadian girl would be downrated because she looked like an athlete,,her outfit was plain, sporty and just kind of cute and jaunty and the Russian girl was dripping with chiffon and sequins. I think the Russians like chiffon and sequins. Sele looked more western and up to date to me. So her butt showed a bit, well, it is only a butt,,haven't you seen one recently?
187 posted on 02/16/2002 2:34:17 PM PST by cajungirl
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To: Serge
So I think it is a hoax.

Of course you do. You obviously have a much better idea of the evidence than the IOC or the ISU. You are evidently privy to everything they have -- or you couldn't claim it was insufficient. No, to do that would be reckless, and you wouldn't speak recklessly out of some sort of misguided nationalism.

Here's a thought, perhaps the IOC and ISU could give you a call before they act next time? I'm sure they could use your advice.

188 posted on 02/16/2002 5:00:28 PM PST by Exigence
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To: Palladin
Sale didn't look very demure, with her whole bare butt hanging out. What a little tart!

You don't get out much, do you.

189 posted on 02/16/2002 5:02:10 PM PST by Exigence
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To: The_Victor
Ruck the Fuskies....
190 posted on 02/16/2002 5:06:34 PM PST by unamused
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To: All
On Thursday morning of this week I read in a post some where here on FR that the ice skating would go Italy, France and Russia in that order. Wait and watch.
192 posted on 02/16/2002 7:42:45 PM PST by Snowyman
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To: Serge
You've missed the point -- again.

*YOU* are the one listening to the press and assuming they know all there is to know. *I* am saying the IOC and the ISU know more than *you* do. So, quit trying to second guess them because you don't like their conclusions.

You don't trust the press, so what? Quit assuming that all of the facts known were the ones that you heard reported in the press. I promise you that not everything known in the investigation was released to the public *or* the press. Only a fool would assume it was.

193 posted on 02/16/2002 8:05:23 PM PST by Exigence
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To: CedarDave
yeah i saw that fall and the announcer said that it would not affect their score. it was at the very end when they stop and "freeze".. and they were both cracking up
196 posted on 02/17/2002 2:31:08 AM PST by TxBec
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To: Exigence
It's more than that. It's their future livelihood. The color of the medal could affect their earning potential the next two decades.

Actually, while I know money and income matter, this is more like the crowning achievement of their lives. If they never hoped to make a cent, the cruelty and pettiness of stealing the symbol which validates the excellence achieved through years of dedication is despicable. Everyone who competes in the Olympics has been working single-mindedly toward that one goal for years, many for most of their lives.

Most will try and fail, losing is the reality with which most will have to deal. Most of those who lose will count themselves winners just to have had the chance to be in the olympics.

But to earn it and have it stolen would be really difficult to deal with.

197 posted on 02/17/2002 3:34:15 AM PST by Yeti
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To: staytrue
Ministry of Truth announces that arrogant canandian skater demands all three medals.

Ministry of Truth announces that Canadians' silver medals were revoked due to corruption of Western judge.

198 posted on 02/18/2002 10:30:42 PM PST by supercat
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To: staytrue
Ministry of Truth announces that arrogant canandian skater demands all three medals.

Ministry of Truth announces that Canadians' silver medals were revoked due to corruption of Western judge.

199 posted on 02/18/2002 10:31:29 PM PST by supercat
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To: Exigence
As to boxing, the operative word is "can." And, there is still an official in the ring making judgements moment to moment that influences whether or not a KO may occur.

I'll grant you that, but my point was that the ENTIRE outcome of figure skating is judge-dependent. In boxing, it doesn't have to matter if the referee rules one way or another -- if you don't get your fists on the other man, you don't win. That's not up to a referee, that's up to the athlete.

I'm curious to see if this new scoring plan flies. Not too curious, though, since I'll be watching hockey instead. :)

200 posted on 02/19/2002 5:35:27 AM PST by Colonel_Flagg
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