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Canadian Figure Skaters Get Gold, Russians Furious
Yahoo ^ | 2/15/02 | Adrian Warner

Posted on 02/15/2002 11:42:28 AM PST by The_Victor

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To: The_Victor
"Cinquanta said le Gougne had 'practically admitted' she had been put under pressure during a meeting at which the American referee Ron Pfenning had been present."

And, who was it that applied that pressure? How come that person or persons has not been censured as well?

Where's the uproar? Both the briber and the bribee should be punished!

51 posted on 02/15/2002 12:13:10 PM PST by Real Cynic No More
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To: Serge
Most Europeans approve of cheating?
52 posted on 02/15/2002 12:13:19 PM PST by mewzilla
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To: Serge
I'm just sitting here with a delicious feeling that the FRENCH ARE GETTING THEIRS, THE BIG CHEESE EATING SURRENDER MONKEYS. It is like the smell of napalm in the morning. The flash of a daisycutter. It is simply the best feeling in the world.
53 posted on 02/15/2002 12:13:59 PM PST by cajungirl
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To: Serge
I guess I don't quite understand why Europeans would retaliate against American athletes. The issue involved Canadians, Russians, and a corrupt French judge.
54 posted on 02/15/2002 12:15:01 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: The_Victor

55 posted on 02/15/2002 12:15:11 PM PST by Redcloak
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To: Serge
will laugh at american athletes at any competitions happens to be there,

Sounds like you Europeans are used to corruption. Just another attempted bribe and strong-arming of a judge - business as usual. No wonder you Euros won medals in these "judging" sports.

56 posted on 02/15/2002 12:15:26 PM PST by Lent
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To: VOYAGER
All you have to do is lodge a complaint and raise enough stink and you can go for the bronze, silver or gold and be assured you will be satiated

The public and the media were the ones raising the stink, not the skaters themselves. The skateres, in fact, told reporters that they felt horribly about SkateGate overshadowing the performances of the other athletes.

57 posted on 02/15/2002 12:15:42 PM PST by HennepinPrisoner
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To: Serge
What IS your problem? The Canadians were robbed, and the French judge admitted to it. Two golds for the same event has been done before. Probably should have been done in this instance in the first place.

As for the mens finals last night, I think the results were appropriate. But, I think Yagudin, barely squeeked by Plushenko.

It's just good to see that justice prevailed and that the Canadians will receive the gold that they deserved.

58 posted on 02/15/2002 12:18:18 PM PST by ET(end tyranny)
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To: The_Victor
"Everyone knows what we deserve..."

Yeah. We know.
Silver.


59 posted on 02/15/2002 12:18:47 PM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts
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To: cajungirl
'I love the smell of napalm in the morning, and the flash of the daisycutter'-Priceless!
60 posted on 02/15/2002 12:19:35 PM PST by codebreaker
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To: Real Cynic No More
Both the briber and the bribee should be punished!

I agree.

61 posted on 02/15/2002 12:20:38 PM PST by ET(end tyranny)
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To: FreedomAvatar
My definition of Russian artistry is...flinging ones arms around while looking at the ceiling repeatedly with a constipated look on ones face.
63 posted on 02/15/2002 12:21:41 PM PST by CathyRyan
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To: The_Victor
"It went against any moral and ethical norms that exist in sport where athletes, not lawyers, compete against each other on the slopes and in the sports arenas and not in back rooms," Nezvegsky said.

This is precisely the issue, Mr. Nezvegsky - backrooms. And in backrooms the Russian and French judges conspired to commit a species of professional "fraud", were caught, and the Russian players suffered the consequences.

64 posted on 02/15/2002 12:22:27 PM PST by ZULU
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To: Zviadist
That's why I have just turned the whole circus off. And I love ice skating. But I won't be played by these bozos. To hell with them.

A man (woman?) after my own heart. Good for you. You'd profit from keeping it off after the Olympics too, but that's just my opinion. :)

65 posted on 02/15/2002 12:22:31 PM PST by Lumberjack
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To: Serge
Do you approve of cheating?
66 posted on 02/15/2002 12:22:35 PM PST by mewzilla
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To: ET(end tyranny),Hillary'slovelylegs
All of the damn judges vote as bloc. I think some western judges gave artificially low scores to offset the high ones the eastern bloc countries gave. The french were dealing to get their ice dancing couple a gold. I suggest a ladies guild thread tonite for the ice dancing. Hilary, what do you think?
67 posted on 02/15/2002 12:23:24 PM PST by cajungirl
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To: Serge
See you on the hockey rink, Serge...

Wear protection. ;^)

Go Canada!

68 posted on 02/15/2002 12:24:44 PM PST by headsonpikes
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To: ZULU
And in backrooms the Russian and French judges conspired to commit a species of professional "fraud", were caught, and the Russian players suffered the consequences.

In what way did the russian players suffer consequences? Had the Russian judge been suspended? Were the Russian skaters stripped of their gold? Please explain your comment, since I am not aware of any consequences.

70 posted on 02/15/2002 12:26:08 PM PST by ET(end tyranny)
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To: The_Victor
In other news, the dispute over who would be king of the leper colony was resolved when the lepers agreed to co-monarchs.

Apt resolution for a performing art masquerading as sport.

71 posted on 02/15/2002 12:26:42 PM PST by SteamshipTime
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To: Serge
Oh, no! Europeans laughing at Americans?!?! How will we live with the indignity??


Easy. We just recall who has the mightiest economy, the mightiest military, the most productive science, the most watched entertainment, and is the still the preferred destination of people around the globe -- the USA. Besides, the mockery of the French or Belgians is a badge of honer these days. *g*

72 posted on 02/15/2002 12:27:13 PM PST by LenS
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To: Serge
Do you approve of cheating?
73 posted on 02/15/2002 12:27:33 PM PST by mewzilla
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To: The_Victor; bwteim
In 1969 there was a futbol war between El Salvador and Honduras. You don't suppose we might be fortunate to witness an ice skating war between, oh, Russia, Canada and France? That would be lovely! But first let's sign the winning medalists to the Hurray For Everything touring ice revue.
74 posted on 02/15/2002 12:27:57 PM PST by Revolting cat!
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To: cajungirl
Sounds like a good idea!

Can you think of anyone that would try to strike a vote trade/swap with the French judge? Who would stand to gain by pressuring the French judge to give gold to the Russians? Finland? Japan? Gosh, this is a tough one..... lol NOT!!!!

75 posted on 02/15/2002 12:30:51 PM PST by ET(end tyranny)
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To: ZULU
I love ice skating but have a problem with Olympic sports that are so subjective they require a panel of judges. Olympic sports should be limited to those which can be measured objectively, like crossing a finishing line or racing a clock.

Then there are sports that don't even belong in the Olympics, like ice dancing (why not ballet too?) and equestrian events (unless the horse gets the medal).

77 posted on 02/15/2002 12:32:04 PM PST by A Ruckus of Dogs
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To: The_Victor
"It went against any moral and ethical norms that exist in sport where athletes, not lawyers, compete against each other

Yea, like the 1972 Olympic mens' basketball game!

79 posted on 02/15/2002 12:34:19 PM PST by jackbill
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To: GOP_Lady
Let them do something worthwhile for a living then.

And are you the judge of what's worthwhile?

Of course, you say the same thing to all entertainers. Nix the singers, actors, writers, musicians and radio commentators, too. Right? We *do* want to be consistent. Just to make it clear, please post your list of "worthies." I'd like to compare it to the Constitution to see which are acceptable for the "pursuit of happiness."

BTW, if you're going to represent yourself as a GOPer, please consider whether or not you should be labeling someone's chosen field as "worthwhile" or not. That's hardly a conservative or a GOP position.

80 posted on 02/15/2002 12:34:37 PM PST by Exigence
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To: Serge
"Might without mind" is the characterictic of typical bully.

Is that what was said when the Romanov's were exterminated?

81 posted on 02/15/2002 12:35:36 PM PST by ET(end tyranny)
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To: Scruffdog;fred mertz
Oh, OK..yawn....hey Ethel, what time does luge come on?

Why are YOU watching the olympics with freds' wife???

FMCDH

82 posted on 02/15/2002 12:36:51 PM PST by nothingnew
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To: Lent
The precedent should be that if you attempt to corrupt the judging there will be a price to be paid. Sounds like a good precedent to me.

It certainly should be, but it's apparently not so in skating. The judges that were caught "tapping their feet" to signal each other and "suspended" were judging internation competitions within months of their suspension. Contrast that to the case of baseball and Pete Rose.

83 posted on 02/15/2002 12:37:08 PM PST by Exigence
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To: Utah Girl
Listen to the comments by the coach of the Russian pairs figure skaters. I think she's been hitting the vodka bottle a bit hard lately...

Methinks she doth protest too much.

84 posted on 02/15/2002 12:39:12 PM PST by Exigence
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To: Serge
Someone especially woman told something under pressure later revoked isn't very convincing for me.

don't have dale carnagie over there, do ya.

85 posted on 02/15/2002 12:39:25 PM PST by glock rocks
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To: The_Victor
High comedy. :) If someone takes a whack at Jamie Sale's leg (not that I'd mind doing that myself...) with a pipe, THEN things officially leave earth orbit. ;)
86 posted on 02/15/2002 12:43:11 PM PST by TheBigB
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To: Serge
Serge, Serge, Serge. The facts have been uncovered. You can't seriously be defending this corruption in the judging process. Just be lucky you Russkies can also have the gold.
87 posted on 02/15/2002 12:43:28 PM PST by Lent
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To: Snuffington
I think that it would have been fairer and less controversial if they would have just thrown out the scores that the french judge gave and used only the remaining scores to determine the winner. Since only the french judge has so far been proven corrupt, her scores should not count for anything.

Her scores may have even affected the winner of the bronze as well as the silver. If she deliberately rated all other expected contenders for the gold lower that they deserved, she cheated them also

Another possibility would be to bring in another truly independant judge unrelated and unallied to either Russia or Canada to review and judge films of the performances if such films exist. If that is done, then truly only the performances done that night would reflect who truly has won the medal.

In the Canadians case, they truly deserved the medal while in the Russians case, there is and always will be doubt.

In so far as to which program was simpler or more demanding, If the Canadians correctly performed the movements that the Russians faltered on, the Russians have nothing to say about who was more deserving.

88 posted on 02/15/2002 12:44:49 PM PST by dglang
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To: The_Victor
Olympic spirit of fair competition

OH this is classic. The Russians are really grasping here.

89 posted on 02/15/2002 12:44:58 PM PST by kassie
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To: The_Victor
GREAT! so I have heard for two straight hours of news conferences today (preempting the game coverage) I am so happy for them ...now can we please get back to the Games !!!
90 posted on 02/15/2002 12:45:16 PM PST by arly
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To: hawaiian
You don't have the right attitude. Shame on you. Hahahahahahaha. Oops, I let go.
91 posted on 02/15/2002 12:45:43 PM PST by Chemnitz
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The mostly American audience gave the Russian gold and silver men's singles medal winners an enthusiastic standing ovation in appreciation for the great job they did last night.

Can anyone explain why the Finnish judge gave the young Russian skater who followed Tim (yea for the bronze!) a 10th place ranking, far below the other judges' scores? He was robbed of 5th place. (^:

92 posted on 02/15/2002 12:45:58 PM PST by Ragtime Cowgirl
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To: cajungirl; Utah girl
Utah Girl has been starting the Olympic threads. I believe she is out for the evening. If she is, then I would be happy to host a live thread.
93 posted on 02/15/2002 12:47:36 PM PST by Hillary's Lovely Legs
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To: The_Victor
"Who the heck needs daytime soap operas."

Who needs the silly, globalist-socialist spectacle that they call, mistakenly, the olympics?

94 posted on 02/15/2002 12:49:16 PM PST by editor-surveyor
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To: dglang
I think that it would have been fairer and less controversial if they would have just thrown out the scores that the french judge gave and used only the remaining scores to determine the winner.

That *is* what they did. It resulted in a 4-4 tie, thus the duplicate golds.

95 posted on 02/15/2002 12:50:59 PM PST by Exigence
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To: Serge
I don't know where you get your news,but maybe you should turn the sound up,or actually read the words. The French JUDGE has admitted wrongdoing! It has nothing to do with the skaters!!GROW UP!
96 posted on 02/15/2002 12:52:17 PM PST by sissyjane
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
Can anyone explain why the Finnish judge gave the young Russian skater who followed Tim (yea for the bronze!) a 10th place ranking, far below the other judges' scores? He was robbed of 5th place.

Good question. The Finnish judge was completely off kilter with the other judges at several points.

97 posted on 02/15/2002 12:52:57 PM PST by Exigence
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To: GOP_Lady
Let us all say it together...FIGURE SKATING IS NOT A SPORT. Any competition that needs judges to determine the outcome should be banished from the Olympic Games. Thank you and goodnight.
98 posted on 02/15/2002 12:54:17 PM PST by Weimdog
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To: The_Victor
"The Russian team reacted furiously to Friday's decision, describing it as a huge blow to the Olympic spirit."

The "spirit" of the olympics has been corrupted for a long time and in Salt Lake it began before the city was selected!

99 posted on 02/15/2002 12:54:48 PM PST by patriot_wes
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To: Serge
Now there are talks that gold medal given to canadians is result of that nonsport pressure.

So what? *All* of that "talk" is coming from the Russians. Consider the source.

What did you expect them to say? That they *had* pressured the judge and were very sorry? Is hell freezing over?

Serge. Interesting posting name. Russian, by chance?

100 posted on 02/15/2002 12:55:50 PM PST by Exigence
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