Citizenship revoked of man accused of being Nazi camp guard

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[LarryLied]

I don't think anyone "uses the Holocaust."

Oh my . You do lead a sheltered life. Never heard liberals equate conservatism with Nazis? Never run across claims that the Bush family profited from Nazism? Or that major American corporations...brrr...traded with Nazis? Or that the Catholic church aided and/or abetted the Holocaust? Miss the Florida case this fall in which the USA is being sued in Federal Court for not bombing the rail lines into Auschwitz?

The left uses the Holocaust exactly the same way they use slavery. It riles up their bases, encourages donation and smears the right. Meanwhile, the tens of millions dead from communism is ignored by the left. Speilberg doesn't make films about the Katyn Forest.

[xvb]

Spielberg has made films about many things including the heroic World War II troops. President Bush gave an extraordinary speech about the Holocaust last year on a commemoration day and invited guests to the White House in a more elaborate manner than President Clinton did, and I don't consider Bush a liberal.

[Magician]

Demjanuk's defense was that he was a guard at another camp and therefore not Ivan the Terrible. I don't remember what evidence he presented to make that point, but it convinced the Israeli supreme court that there was reasonable doubt about the case, and he was released. Quite a technicality.

[Askel5]

You got to love the pretzel.

[scratchgolfer]

Old saying; every dog has his day.

[GROUCHOTWO]

Errata!

According to you, the Russian communists' crimes were primarily against Jews. Despite your revisionism the facts stand that these Bolsheviks killed Christians!

[Askel5]

killer Sheinbein spent less time behind bars than Demjajuk.

He's out already?

[1rudeboy]

Not really. OSI suppressed an ID card (supplied by the KGB) that showed Demjanjuk at Sobibor during the period that OSI was alleging he was at Treblinka. It is my understanding that this ID card was itself shown to be a forgery (with the exception of the judge in the present case, who appears to have made a "finding of fact" that certain documents, unnamed in this article, are valid).

The Israeli Supreme Court acknowledged that the chances of proving that Demjanjuk was at Sobibor were almost nil, because of the forgery issue, and because there are no eyewitnesses that can place him at that camp.

[Red Jones]

and if you don't think people like this fellow Demjanjuk should be killed, then you're a buchananite, must be true I read it here; I don't know what needs to be done with the 'buchananites', but I'm sure they'll tell us. incredible bigotry

[Magician]

IMHO, in 1945 they should have taken every person who a camp guard and shot them. There are no innocent people in a place that is murdering a thousand people per day unless they are there as a prisoner or a slave.

[LarryLied]

and if you don't think people like this fellow Demjanjuk should be killed, then you're a buchananite, must be true I read it here; I don't know what needs to be done with the 'buchananites', but I'm sure they'll tell us. incredible bigotry

Er...I did mention in passing that he should have been nailed years ago. I don't want anyone to get away with murder.

But some do and that is where the problem arises. Samuel Sheinbein chopped up Alfred Tello, 19, with a circular saw. Sheinbein fled to Israel, claimed citizenship there based on his father's birth in British-mandated Palestine and the Israel Supreme Court has refused to extradite him. Lithuania wants to try Nahman Dushanski, former NKVD and KGB officer, for genocide.Israel refuses to extradite him too.

I am all for hunting down the few Nazis who remain alive. But the double standard here is sickening.

[GROUCHOTWO]

How revisionist of you to say that the Ruskies were bad because they abused the jews!
No matter how you complain, there are certain facts you can not deny:
1.The Bolsheviks primarily killed Christians,
2.Much Bolshevik funding originated from NYC sources,and
3.Christians suffered the most during this past century.

[GROUCHOTWO]

Sheinbein....he was only assigned an 8 year sentence.
Remember that Demjajuk was held that long until those two brave Jewish lawyers(one now dead and the other assaulted with acid thrown in his face)demonstrated that the Demjajak judge and his prosecution had LIED!
Do a search. You will find no verification that Sheinbein is still incarcerated although 8 years was his sentence(Demjajuk was held longer).

[SJackson]

MeHe was a Russian soldier, captured by the Germans and as a POW....
GingisK: Sounds like he had an interest in staying alive to me.
aristeides: Soviet POWs who did not volunteer for service with the Germans had a notoriously short life expectancy.

Your explanations don't evoke my sympathy. I wish he'd been turned over to those Russian POW's who survived without joining the SS.

[GROUCHOTWO]

Why don't you read the testimony?

[SJackson]

I think you're wrong, though it's not worth the search to prove it. He got 24 years, the maximum sentence for a crime committed by a minor in Israel. I think he serve's a minimum of about 60% of that. Ping me in 8 or ten years.

In Md, he might have gotten life, might not.

I don't have the same sympathy for Demjajuk that you do. Or I suspect that his fellow Red Army soldiers whould have either. Want to turn him over to surviving Red Army POWs for justice? Works for me.

[Red Jones]

well, then you're a buchananite because your view diverges from some others

But there's just one other problem. There's no evidence that this fellow committed murder, he existed at a time and in a place where war occurred, therefore he served in the army. That does not make him a murderer, but you say it does. How terrible.

You people advocating death for this fellow are no better than a members of a lynch mob.

[GROUCHOTWO]

You fellows are still trying to weasel out from accountability, aren't you!

Whine, whine, whine! That was the excuse you used ignore the massacre of millions of Christians during this past century.

[LarryLied]

Doesn't matter what he got in Israel or might have received in Maryland. It is the principle. The family of those he murdered have a moral right to see justice done in the courts which represent them. Not be forced to rely on Israeli courts.