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I’m tired of these atheists’ knocking on my door holding the Book of Darwin
Heartlander

Posted on 02/28/2002 6:35:58 PM PST by Heartlander

I’m tired of these atheists’ knocking on my door holding the Book of Darwin

The THEORY of evolution. Hey, Nice THEORY! No, really – a beautiful story about how man might have been created. The Darwin bible though has been interpreted by many to ‘soot’ their own beliefs. They preach this stuff as it were fact and leave out the most important word of any THEORY - the word ‘IF’.

I mean you never hear them say, “IF’ the Evolution of life on earth proceeded in two stages: chemical and biological. Life on earth must have developed from inorganic materials- what else was there for it to come from? The first stage in the development of life, therefore, was the production of a reproducing cell from materials at hand on the early earth. This process is called chemical evolution.... Once a living, reproducing system was present, the process of natural selection took over to produce the wide variety of life that exists today. This from the gospel of evolution.

They state this mumbo jumbo as if it were fact. They always leave out ‘IF’. I mean, it’s a darn THEORY isn’t it? Heck, they even ridicule those who believe otherwise. They hide behind this so called faith in Darwin. Although Darwin was just a prophet of ‘their’ science.

Hey, don’t get me wrong, I appreciate science. I even think that evolution is an interesting THEORY – but why should we preach about Darwin in our schools. I mean evolution is thoroughly compatible with religion-when the object of worship is evolution; and we must keep a separation between religion and state. It doesn’t say that in the Constitution, but hey, it sounds like a darn good idea!

Don’t get me wrong, some evolutionists are starting to understand Intelligent Design. But there is still a majority that thinks evolution has somehow disproved the existence of God. Wow, even their prophets Darwin and Nietzsche understood the dangers that posed.

I am an American and believe that everyone should worship as they chose, but keep your Darwin propaganda out of my child’s school and my country’s laws. It's like some kind of ACLU / 700 club.


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1 posted on 02/28/2002 6:35:58 PM PST by Heartlander
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To: Heartlander
Tough. I'm tired of evangelicals knocking on my door, trying to convert me to their faith. Get over it.
2 posted on 02/28/2002 6:45:35 PM PST by pabianice
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To: Heartlander
Come to the door naked. It works for Jehovah's Witnesses.
3 posted on 02/28/2002 6:48:30 PM PST by Noumenon
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To: Heartlander
I’m tired of these atheists’ knocking on my door holding the Book of Darwin

Prepare to die tired then. What's that old saying -- Why run, you'll only die tired.

4 posted on 02/28/2002 6:48:50 PM PST by jlogajan
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To: pabianice
So, you missed the parody – it’s a two sided sword…
5 posted on 02/28/2002 6:50:09 PM PST by Heartlander
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To: Noumenon
Come to the door naked. It works for Jehovah's Witnesses.

I'm sure it works for many others as well.:-)

6 posted on 02/28/2002 6:52:15 PM PST by The_Expatriate
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To: Heartlander
I mean, it’s a darn THEORY isn’t it?

So is the inverse square law for gravitational attraction.

What we have is contemporaneous biological evidence, and layers and layers of fossil evidence. None of which agrees with the silly MYTHICAL stories in the Bible.

I think you should worry more about the MYTHICAL Biblical alternative than the FACT based THEORY of evolution.

7 posted on 02/28/2002 6:53:02 PM PST by jlogajan
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To: Heartlander
They always leave out ‘IF’. I mean, it’s a darn THEORY isn’t it?

Try looking up the word "theory" in the dictionary. It doesn't mean what you think it means.

8 posted on 02/28/2002 6:53:39 PM PST by mlo
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To: Noumenon
Come to the door naked. It works for Jehovah's Witnesses.

Jehovah's Witnesses come to the door nekkid?

Sorry,had to ask!

9 posted on 02/28/2002 6:53:50 PM PST by tet68
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To: jlogajan
FACT = IF

Man, here we go again...

10 posted on 02/28/2002 6:55:44 PM PST by Heartlander
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To: jlogajan
FACT based THEORY of evolution.

"patrick henry" links...cartoons!

11 posted on 02/28/2002 6:56:33 PM PST by f.Christian
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To: Heartlander
"keep your Darwin propaganda out of my child’s school"

Which school is that? A church school? Home school? What school are you talking about?

12 posted on 02/28/2002 6:57:37 PM PST by toenail
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To: mlo
A Question to Prose

A question to prose
As enlightenment grows
Yet the riddle of life still exists.
Our being begs ‘why, we live and then die?’
Our soul existence must mean more than this
Can our sentence lie,
The how and the why,
In the writings and speeches of man?
And if the answer is maybe it can
It must now be juxtaposed
With a ‘just suppose’
And ‘I think and therefore I am’
Look how truth now exits the stage
Left with the hypothesis
Of the solitary sage
And his soliloquy
of what might be
Another man in another season
Who revels in revelations without reason
Lest this reason be
Mans’ own divinity
It’s a raffle of thoughts won by whatnots
Who cling to transcending verbs and nouns
Creating a literal mind with their bounds
Can it be that our own lexis
Sets limits, blinds,
And has verbally vexed us?
Gaze long and hard in one’s sacred heart
Forego the mind believed to be smart
Love exists there for you and for me
It’s where ‘our Author’ wrote it
To set us all free

13 posted on 02/28/2002 7:00:22 PM PST by Heartlander
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To: tet68
Jehovah's Witnesses come to the door nekkid?

Dude, you didn't know that? Whare of ya been? That's all right, leave the orgies with the Jehovah's Witnesses to the rest of us. Did you hear about the Scientology hot babes at least? You ought to visit one of their outlets. Wall to wall, ya' know what!

14 posted on 02/28/2002 7:00:57 PM PST by Revolting cat!
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To: Heartlander
I mean evolution is thoroughly compatible with religion-when the object of worship is evolution. . .

Not hard to connect those dots, is it?

15 posted on 02/28/2002 7:01:27 PM PST by rdb3
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To: Heartlander
FACT = IF

There is no "if" about the fossil record. And there is no credible explanation in the Bible for the fossil record either -- because the goat herders who wrote the Bible weren't aware of the fossil record and therefore left yet another gapping whole in their collected "knowledge." (Right after the parts saying slavery is okay, and that we are commanded to kill homosexuals. And that we shouldn't wear clothes of mix fabrics. Boy those guys sure were smart!)

16 posted on 02/28/2002 7:02:29 PM PST by jlogajan
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To: The_Expatriate
I'm sure it works for many others as well.:-)

"There's always the unexpected." Great line from The Bridge on the River Kwai. I took it to heart at an early age...

17 posted on 02/28/2002 7:02:39 PM PST by Noumenon
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To: Heartlander
Who cares. Move on.
18 posted on 02/28/2002 7:02:49 PM PST by Cobra64
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To: jlogajan
So, your knowledge of the Bible is surpassed by… something I hope…
19 posted on 02/28/2002 7:05:29 PM PST by Heartlander
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To: toenail
Whatever schools the ACLU is defending. Do you not think that they have an agenda? Have you ever seen the ACLU stand up for an Americans right to have guns? No, but you have seen them stand up for a transvestite to teach children.
20 posted on 02/28/2002 7:12:19 PM PST by Heartlander
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To: jlogajan
What we have is contemporaneous biological evidence, and layers and layers of fossil evidence. None of which agrees with the silly MYTHICAL stories in the Bible.

Silly? What is more silly than to believe something came from absolutely nothing? The materials that chemically evolved to create the first living creature with a reproductive system, where did these come from?

Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. I don't know any who suggest that faith is anything more than faith. According to that faith, we believe that God created all that was, is, and will ever be. But where do those who believe in evolution get off passing along their theory as empirical fact?

Once you believe that a theory is the truth, the game is over. You can either prove it, or you can't.

Lastly, with the amount of dogma that evolutionists spew, evolution really does qualify as a religion. If it weren't none would be so passionate about honoring a theory as fact. The circular reasoning evolutionists use is powerful enough to create the centrifugal force needed with which to uphold the theory. God is 'A' and evolution is 'B.' 'B' is not totally confident in itself, but 'B' is confident enough to state that the existence of 'A' is not real. Post hoc ergo propter hoc anyone? The theory is this, therefore because of this God doesn't exist.

Round and around and around and around. . .

Evolution can't even pass a simple logic test.

21 posted on 02/28/2002 7:17:46 PM PST by rdb3
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To: rdb3
The materials that chemically evolved to create the first living creature with a reproductive system, where did these come from?

Where did God come from?

Fossils exist. Does God? Where's your proof? I can show you fossils. I have several 350 million year old fossils sitting on my table downstairs.

22 posted on 02/28/2002 7:20:05 PM PST by jlogajan
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To: jlogajan
There is no "if" about the fossil record. And there is no credible explanation in the Bible for the fossil record either -- because the goat herders who wrote the Bible weren't aware of the fossil record and therefore left yet another gapping whole in their collected "knowledge." (Right after the parts saying slavery is okay, and that we are commanded to kill homosexuals. And that we shouldn't wear clothes of mix fabrics. Boy those guys sure were smart!)

You obviously belong to the ACLU. You treatment of faith demonstrates that you have what it takes to be a card carrying member of that group. How does it feel to know that you share such company?

Be gone.

23 posted on 02/28/2002 7:21:59 PM PST by rdb3
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To: jlogajan
Is there intelligence behind your own writing? Hey, wow, where did that come from? Chance?
25 posted on 02/28/2002 7:22:50 PM PST by Heartlander
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To: Heartlander
Try religious schools. This battle was fought and won by "jimmy Stewart".
26 posted on 02/28/2002 7:23:43 PM PST by Cold Heat
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To: Heartlander
Is there intelligence behind your own writing? Hey, wow, where did that come from? Chance...

Good one---mutation is more like it!

27 posted on 02/28/2002 7:25:14 PM PST by f.Christian
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To: jlogajan
Fossils exist. Does God? Where's your proof? I can show you fossils. I have several 350 million year old fossils sitting on my table downstairs.

Objection! Asked and answered.

Didn't I just tell you what faith was? Faith is faith, and that's that.

You say you have 350 million year whatever. Okay, fine. But that does not prove the theory of evolution.

You can show me fossils. Great! Now reverse engineer this to the point where the materials needed to make this chemical evolution commence came from.

28 posted on 02/28/2002 7:26:01 PM PST by rdb3
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To: jlogajan
What we have is contemporaneous biological evidence, and layers and layers of fossil evidence. None of which agrees with the silly MYTHICAL stories in the Bible.

Shessh, the arrogance of those who call themselves evolutionist is appalling

The evolutionary record is hardly conclusive. Every other week another "fossil record" is found that changes the whole evolutionary time table, which in it self has huge holes. Frauds and scams have been exposed for decades and STILL are taught by some educators. The only thing the fossil record actually proves without a doubt is that life existed before man recorded history.

The thing that just galls me to no end is the fact that creationism and evolution are both impossible to prove as fact, yet when presented with scientific data for intelligent design models, we are treated as mental midgets, religious fools, stupid ignoramus that can not comprehend the great and mighty weight of evolution, for when examined for what it really is, It is still just a THEORY, and in some peoples mind, some a lot better one than mine, a theory full of a lot of unanswerable questions.

Concerning the Bible and it'd silly MYTHICAL stories. Well many of those "stories" have in fact been proven archeological to be true. The Bible said it happened this way and the archeological record confirms it. Now that is not the whole Bible, but the Bible has a lot better record than evolution when it comes to actually having the facts provable and correct.

End Rant

29 posted on 02/28/2002 7:28:05 PM PST by JZoback
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To: wirestripper
Do you believe the absence of God in schools was the intent by our Founding Fathers?

-Burden of Proof-

30 posted on 02/28/2002 7:29:06 PM PST by Heartlander
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To: Revolting cat!
Did you hear about the Scientology hot babes at least?

Nope, sure didn't...

If you know any, let me know...

31 posted on 02/28/2002 7:29:47 PM PST by general_re
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To: *crevo_list
bump
32 posted on 02/28/2002 7:31:46 PM PST by Gladwin
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To: wirestripper
Occasionally we get Mormons or Jehovah's Witnesses at the door in my neighborhood. Doesn't bother me if they don't come too early in the morning. One time my mainstream church decided it was high time we went door-to-door. It was kind of fun to do it and actually produced a variety of reactions, none altogether hostile. It did not, however, generate one single inquiry or one new attendee. Why some religions think the door-to-door route is the way to go, and others never proselytize that way (although they probably do in other ways)is a question for which I have no ready answer.
33 posted on 02/28/2002 7:32:23 PM PST by mathurine
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To: rdb3
Geez, Faith vs Science, Bible vs Theory, hmm, gotta think about that, NOT, Science and Theory win out EVERY time.

These creationist threads are such a scream, the dude that was on Art Bell the last 2 nights was a scream too. What a bunch of nuts. Trying to prove creationism is true, there is no proof, only faith. Evolution has facts that back up the theory, making it the MOST likely explanation of how we got here. The fossil records etc, FACTS, vs some book that is supposed to be taken on faith.

You guys are a scream, an absolute scream, I laugh every time I see you post, especially F. Christian, because all he does is attack, no real back up for what he says, just an attack to descredit whomever disagrees with him. ROFLMAO!!!
34 posted on 02/28/2002 7:35:32 PM PST by Aric2000
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To: jlogajan
Hey Logjam,
you sound like an evangelical evolutionist.
35 posted on 02/28/2002 7:38:37 PM PST by lockeliberty
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To: Aric2000
Evolution has facts that back up the theory

Good, at least you were smart enough to use the word theory…There might be hope!

36 posted on 02/28/2002 7:38:41 PM PST by Heartlander
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To: Heartlander
I appreciate science. I even think that evolution is an interesting THEORY – but why should we preach about Darwin in our schools.

Scientific theorys belong in science class, religion belongs in philosophy class. Whats wrong with that?

37 posted on 02/28/2002 7:38:48 PM PST by CapandBall
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To: CapandBall
So, never the two should mix? How is that possible?
38 posted on 02/28/2002 7:41:05 PM PST by Heartlander
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To: Aric2000
And you may continue to laugh to your heart's desire. Doesn't matter to me one bit.

You theory still isn't proof. I don't care about "suggestions." We either evolved or we didn't. According to our faith, we know how we got here. According to your faith, er, I mean theory, are you 100% sure that you are right?

Put up or shut up. It's as simple as that.

39 posted on 02/28/2002 7:41:26 PM PST by rdb3
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To: Heartlander
Good, at least you were smart enough to use the word theory…There might be hope!

I wasn't kidding. Look up the word. Do I have to do it for you?

40 posted on 02/28/2002 7:43:54 PM PST by mlo
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To: CapandBall
Scientific theorys belong in science class, religion belongs in philosophy class. Whats wrong with that?

I agree, but let's add a couple of words

Scientific theories belong in science class, religion belongs in philosophy class. Intelligent design theories belongs in the class, also. What's wrong with that?

What is so scary about the theory of Intelligent design ?

Must be the competition???

41 posted on 02/28/2002 7:45:35 PM PST by JZoback
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To: mlo
the·o·ry [th ree , th ree ] (plural the·o·ries) noun

1. rules and techniques: the body of rules, ideas, principles, and techniques that applies to a particular subject, especially when seen as distinct from actual practice economic theories

2. speculation: abstract thought or contemplation

3. idea formed by speculation: an idea of or belief about something arrived at through speculation or conjecture She believed in the theory that you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.

4. hypothetical circumstances: a set of circumstances or principles that is hypothetical That's the theory, but it may not work out in practice.

5. scientific principle to explain phenomena: a set of facts, propositions, or principles analyzed in their relation to one another and used, especially in science, to explain phenomena

So, which one?

42 posted on 02/28/2002 7:47:58 PM PST by Heartlander
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To: Heartlander
Number 5, as it applies to science, but it doesn't make the point clear enough. Let's try another dictionary....
43 posted on 02/28/2002 7:50:04 PM PST by mlo
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To: JZoback
There are NO Facts to back up intelligent design, it is a disguised version of creationism. You cannot prove something that is supposed to be taken on faith, that is why it is based on faith, it CANNOT be proven.

And since he is obviously NOT going to look up the word theory and its definition, I will do it for him.

the·o·ry [theeeree , theeree ] (plural the·o·ries) noun

5. scientific principle to explain phenomena: a set of facts, propositions, or principles analyzed in their relation to one another and used, especially in science, to explain phenomena
44 posted on 02/28/2002 7:54:00 PM PST by Aric2000
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To: Heartlander
the·o·ry Pronunciation Key (th-r, thîr) n. pl. the·o·ries

A set of statements or principles devised to explain a group of facts or phenomena, especially one that has been repeatedly tested or is widely accepted and can be used to make predictions about natural phenomena.

The branch of a science or art consisting of its explanatory statements, accepted principles, and methods of analysis, as opposed to practice: a fine musician who had never studied theory.

A set of theorems that constitute a systematic view of a branch of mathematics.

Abstract reasoning; speculation: a decision based on experience rather than theory.

A belief or principle that guides action or assists comprehension or judgment: staked out the house on the theory that criminals usually return to the scene of the crime.

An assumption based on limited information or knowledge; a conjecture.

You are using the word as if "theory" automatically meant uncertainty about its validy. It doesn't. In science a theory is just a set of ideas that explain something. Even a theory that is completely proven is still a theory.
45 posted on 02/28/2002 7:54:47 PM PST by mlo
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To: Heartlander
So, never the two should mix? How is that possible?

What mix. It's all mix, thats what I would think to be a good education. In philosophy class I studied Christianity, Judiesm, Islam, Buddism, Taoism, etc, along with Kant, DsCarte(sp?), Pacsal, etc. In science I studied lots of theorys, math, biology, geology, ect. Many have been proven, disproven, or modified in the 20 years since I was in school. I studied "social studies", learned about communism, socialism, facsism, capitolism, etc. I never remember my teachers teaching or preaching this one is "good" or this one is "bad".

My parents and my church taught me right from wrong, good from bad. As it should be I think.

46 posted on 02/28/2002 7:54:54 PM PST by CapandBall
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To: mlo
fool [fool ] noun (plural fools)

1. unintelligent or thoughtless person: somebody who is regarded as lacking good sense or judgment Only a fool would invest in a scheme like this.

2. ridiculous person: somebody who looks or is made to appear ridiculous, or who behaves in a ridiculous way I feel such a fool dressed like this.

3. enthusiast: somebody who is particularly talented at, interested in, or fond of something specified an absolute fool for the finer things in life

4. court entertainer: somebody employed in the past to amuse a monarch or noble, usually by telling jokes, singing comical songs, or performing tricks

5. FOOD creamy fruit dessert: a cold dessert made from puréed fruit mixed with cream or custard

6. offensive term: an offensive term for somebody with below average intelligence or a psychiatric disorder (archaic)

adjective unintelligent and not sensible: showing a lack of good sense or judgment (informal) That fool salesman said it would fit. verb (past fooled, past participle fooled, present participle fool·ing, 3rd person present singular fools)

1. transitive verb trick: to trick or deceive somebody Don't be fooled by her promises.

2. intransitive verb speak in jest: to say something jokingly or not seriously, or pretend, jokingly, that something false is true I was only fooling – of course you can come.

3. intransitive verb behave comically: to behave in a comical, playful, or silly way

[13th century. Via Old French fol from Latin follis "bellows, windbag" (used by St. Augustine of Hippo in reference to a person).]

Hey man, is this better?

47 posted on 02/28/2002 7:55:59 PM PST by Heartlander
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To: Heartlander
I know you must feel dumb for not knowing what "theory" means, but you don't have to call yourself a fool. It's a common misunderstanding.
48 posted on 02/28/2002 7:57:56 PM PST by mlo
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To: CapandBall
My Friend,

The point is the elimination of God.

49 posted on 02/28/2002 7:59:51 PM PST by Heartlander
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To: jlogajan
JimRob just got after me for "bashing" religion. What you have said passed anything I said about a certain religion which was highlighted in a recent International sports gala. Their members got all worked up and got the thread pulled.

Here is what he said, when asked for clarification:

"Just don't want people bashing each other because of their religion or bashing the religion itself. "
Jim

It's his forum, and you can thank some of the 11 million for lowering the bar of sensitivity, but fair is fair. God help me if I find a Mormon bashing Islam for pork, virgins, or Allah.

50 posted on 02/28/2002 8:02:49 PM PST by Orion
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