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TED STUNNED BY ABC COUP
New York Post ^ | 3/02/02 | MICHAEL STARR and DON KAPLAN

Posted on 03/02/2002 2:43:42 AM PST by kattracks

Edited on 05/26/2004 5:04:22 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

March 2, 2002 -- "Nightline" host Ted Koppel is being torpedoed off TV's radar screen - by his own network.

A vacationing Koppel was stunned to learn that ABC is maneuvering behind his back to woo his replacement - David Letterman.


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1 posted on 03/02/2002 2:43:42 AM PST by kattracks
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To: kattracks
The world will be taken over by comedy for young halfwits.
2 posted on 03/02/2002 2:57:47 AM PST by RLK
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To: kattracks
The need for Nightline has come and gone.

It used to be the only show on that had serious discussions of the day's political news. But with cable and the internet, people can get what they want without having to stay up until after midnight.

And I never could understand why ABC never advertised the content of the evening's show. I can remember years ago staying up until midnight to see what was on Nightline only to be disappointed that it was not on the day's hot story, but rather it was a half hour dedicated to 'whether adopted children are as accepted by parents as children raised by their biological parents.' [or some other nonsense]

My wife and I would get pissed... "We stayed up for THIS?" So we quit watching.

3 posted on 03/02/2002 3:08:26 AM PST by 11th Earl of Mar
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To: RLK

Well, at least Bill Maar and the joke he calls a TV show is headed to the dust bin.

That's a ray of sunshine..

5 posted on 03/02/2002 3:23:29 AM PST by Jhoffa_
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To: kattracks
Later, Hair-helmet-head.
6 posted on 03/02/2002 3:27:59 AM PST by Antoninus
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To: kattracks
If Ted has any real talent he'll find a job. If not, who'll notice that he's gone?
7 posted on 03/02/2002 3:31:49 AM PST by csvset
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To: Jhoffa_
"It's followed by "Politically Incorrect," hosted by Bill Maher - which, The Post has learned, will not be back next season. "

Why, yes indeed - that is a ray of sunshine! A reason to smile all day long! :-)

8 posted on 03/02/2002 3:34:01 AM PST by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: RLK
The world will be taken over by comedy for young halfwits.
Did you notice that Opra Winfrey conducted significant interviews with both former VP Gore and the president in 2000? Opra Winfrey is a journalist. She is officially classified an entertainer, whereas Ted Koppel is not--but the truth is that the journalism can "buy ink by the barrel"--can be politically significant--only if it makes money from the public by entertaining it.
The situation has now created an even bigger rift between ABC's entertainment and news divisions.
Journalism entertains the public in no small measure by flattering it that it is paying attention to serious business. To an "objective news" division, rather than always to mere "entertainment". It's all entertainment, and that's why it all has leftist overtones--the rules of drama, and all that . . .
9 posted on 03/02/2002 3:34:04 AM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion
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To: kattracks

What, me worry?
10 posted on 03/02/2002 3:37:16 AM PST by Walkin Man
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To: kattracks
It has been so long since I watch anything but satellite TV that I had forgotten these people. Kobbel (is that right) he's the one with no neck isn't he? hehe
11 posted on 03/02/2002 4:04:41 AM PST by Ditter
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To: kattracks
It's followed by "Politically Incorrect," hosted by Bill Maher - which, The Post has learned, will not be back next season.

chalk this up as a FR win

Letterman is less entertaining than Koppel -

12 posted on 03/02/2002 4:05:21 AM PST by Revelation 911
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To: ImaGraftedBranch
Yep. Good news. When I first heard that Letterman might be going to ABC I immediately thought about Politically Incorrect, as it follows Nightline. Wish I had posted my thoughts. Then I'd have crowing rights. Ah well. Still good news! :D
14 posted on 03/02/2002 5:21:45 AM PST by Green Knight
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To: ImaGraftedBranch
youre no giftedBranch youre a gifted loon ! - LOL

I thought my pc was slow, loading the frame - so I scrolled and scrolled ......

15 posted on 03/02/2002 5:22:01 AM PST by Revelation 911
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To: kattracks
..."Politically Incorrect," hosted by Bill Maher - ... will not be back next season.

Buh-bye!

16 posted on 03/02/2002 5:28:02 AM PST by Petronski
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To: ImaGraftedBranch
That was rather annoying....but hysterically funny!

I can hear him saying that exactly as you described.

17 posted on 03/02/2002 5:35:31 AM PST by Truth Addict
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To: Truth Addict
I see that post has been removed by the moderator, probably rightly so. Like I said, it was annoying.
18 posted on 03/02/2002 5:40:28 AM PST by Truth Addict
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To: Revelation 911
This is also the continuing fallout from the Clinton administration. Koppel's show used to cover the news of the day, only in detail. But when the scandals started during the Clinton years, they avoided covering much of it by going to the feature-type stories that were irrelevant to what was going on in DC. I quit watching because of that, and I imagine many others did as well.
19 posted on 03/02/2002 5:41:21 AM PST by Miss Marple
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To: kattracks
ted can always find a home at cnn
20 posted on 03/02/2002 5:42:45 AM PST by InvisibleChurch
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To: kattracks
Koppel said asked Bush something really ignorant the night he won the Republican nomination.I'll be darned if I can remember it but I remember the stunned look on Bush's face.Then when Gore came on Koppel was fawning all over him.I stopped even trying to watch after that night.
21 posted on 03/02/2002 5:46:37 AM PST by linn37
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To: Revelation 911
chalk this up as a FR win

The only win I chalk up is when broadcast journalism--journalism in general--loses respect. Journalism is negative and superficial because it is designed to entertain. Superficial negativity is cynicism, and cynicism is anticonservatism.

The licensing--and censoring of the unlicensed--functions of the FCC would be blatantly unconstitutional if applied to print. You will say, "But broadcasting could not exist without that." And I say, "Exactly. Broadcasting as we know it is a creature of the government."

The First Amendment forbids the government to have anything to do with print--but the government has everything to do with broadcasting. And people stopped reading newspapers (bad as they are) in favor of the "evening news." Say what you will about Campaign Finance "Reform"--but to actually reform politics would require the actual removal from politics of government-regulated broadcasting. It would, that is, eliminate the broadcast political advertisements as CFR would--but also eliminate the news broadcasts which tell you nothing that you need to know to go about your daily life, and to vote a time or two each year.

If you put all broadcasting on a tape delay of a week, Rush Limbaugh would still make sense--there are actually "best of" shows broadcast from time to time as it is--but the evening news would look as ridiculous as in fact it already is.

22 posted on 03/02/2002 5:49:27 AM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion
It's all entertainment, and that's why it all has leftist overtones--the rules of drama, and all that . . .

Extremely well said, cIc.

23 posted on 03/02/2002 5:50:42 AM PST by MrConfettiMan
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To: kattracks
FOX, DO NOT, repeat DO NOT, hire Ted Koppel
24 posted on 03/02/2002 5:52:51 AM PST by MadelineZapeezda
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
"We stayed up for THIS?"

My reaction too. I think ABC decided years into the Clinton administration, they would not cover the scandals in a dedicated way. (CNN's boss decreed the word "scandal" would not even be used). ABC was more subtle, but just as favorably inclined on stories detrimental to Clinton.

That's when Ted & NIGHTLINE turned from reporting on the big story of the day, to covering social and cultural issues... pregnant women in prison, world hunger, AIDS in Africa, child labor, capital punishment, etc. NIGHTLINE came into existance because it wrapped up the big event of the day for viewers. When the hostages in Iran were returned, and NIGHTLINE went to puff ball subjects, they lost their reason for existing in the first place.

And back when NIGHTLINE was new, Peter Jennings on ABC Evening News show would always promo that night's NIGHTLINE. Back then, people watched Peter and his promotion of the show mattered. Not any more. NIGHTLINE had a jumpstart on the advent of cable news....they blew it.

25 posted on 03/02/2002 5:57:46 AM PST by YaYa123
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To: InvisibleChurch
I would suggest that Ted and Jim Lehrer would make a good lead team for the dynamic NPR news department. They would complement the irrepressible Gwen "how dumb can I sound" Ifel and perpetually twitching Gloria "zuckerman mouthpiece" Borger. Good riddance, Ted, you pompous little poor-man's anchor. At least with Dave you get what you see.
26 posted on 03/02/2002 5:59:07 AM PST by rmgatto
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To: RLK
I completely agree. It's all about power and greed and never about what the content or subject is anymore. Geez, we have politicians out there that only know how to run for office and nothing about their jobs. Sad, isn't it?
27 posted on 03/02/2002 6:01:16 AM PST by freekitty
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To: kattracks; dighton; aculeus
"People here are outraged by the anonymous characterizations that 'Nightline' is irrelevant," said one ABC insider."

Okay, okay. I admit it. I said it.

28 posted on 03/02/2002 6:02:27 AM PST by Orual
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To: csvset
"If Ted has any real talent he'll find a job."

In other words, he's screwed.

Well, at least no more Bill Maher making Coppel look like a right-wing genius either. Pinch me, I must be dreaming.

Now if they would just fire Dan Rather, Tom Brokaw, Cokie Addict, Spock...er, I mean Sam Donaldson... hmmm, imagine a world that is Liberal Talking-headless...

You may sa-a-a-ay I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one...

29 posted on 03/02/2002 6:14:02 AM PST by Dynamo
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To: kattracks
Koppel will end up on PBS, rest home for failed broadcast ideologues. But the writers' description of Once and Again as "sappy," is a crock. Once and Again was for the last two years one of the two or three best dramas on TV. So many critics, left and right, complain about all the sex and violence on TV, but when a great show comes along that has no sex or violence, they don't watch it, and rathe rthan celebrate it, they denounce it as "sappy."

Oh, I just remembered, these guys work for FOX owner Rupert Murdoch. They're from the "More sex, more violence!" party.

30 posted on 03/02/2002 6:22:01 AM PST by mrustow
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To: kattracks
"Dave would benefit 'GMA' as a lead-in," says an industry source. "When people turn their TV set on in the morning, it's set to the channel that they watched the night before.

It doesn't matter what channel is on the TV when I get up. When I turn on the TV even before the picture comes on I am keying in the FOX NEWS channel. heh heh

31 posted on 03/02/2002 6:23:02 AM PST by blackbart1
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To: Miss Marple
>I quit watching because of that, and I imagine many others did as well.

There's one thing I'll always remember about Koppel. When TWA Flight 800 went down, for about two days, ABC and Koppel seemed to give more air time to the missle theory than any other media outlet. Then right in the middle of the unfolding news story Koppel went "on vacation" for two or three days. When he came back, Nightline was all in line with the "no evidence of foul play" line everyone else was putting out.

I'll always wonder who Ted talked to on those two or three days he was away. And I'll always wonder what was said.

Maybe if Koppel is mad enough he'll write a juicy tell all...

Mark W.

32 posted on 03/02/2002 6:23:11 AM PST by MarkWar
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To: Miss Marple
But when the scandals started during the Clinton years, they avoided covering much of it by going to the feature-type stories that were irrelevant to what was going on in DC. I quit watching because of that, and I imagine many others did as well.

You are exactly right Miss Marple, these people have driven their viewers to the cable networks in order to find out the real news and now they're wringing their hands because they are drawing the "wrong demographics". People don't trust the network news anymore. I keep hearing that news departments are not supposed to make money......tell that to FOX :o)

33 posted on 03/02/2002 6:41:47 AM PST by McGavin999
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To: kattracks
Roger (Da Man) Ailes was interviewed on Fox about this development. He made a couple of good points.

1. People may like comedy but there simply aren't enought funny people in the world to provide many tv hours of same.

2. If CNBC ever gets out of the news business Brian Williams will have lots of stiff-collared shirts and no reason to wear them.

34 posted on 03/02/2002 9:16:36 AM PST by aculeus
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To: SpeaksTruthToPower
Wasn't Ted's daughter an official in the Dukakis campaign? Isn't Ted primarily a mouthpiece for EMK now?
35 posted on 03/02/2002 11:02:58 AM PST by Theodore R.
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To: mrustow
"Once and Again" is all about sex -- it's just that the people keep their clothes on. The entire episodes exude nothing but SEX. The chemistry between Billy Campbell and Selah Ward is stunning.
36 posted on 03/02/2002 11:06:06 AM PST by Theodore R.
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To: RLK
The world will be taken over by comedy for young halfwits.

Better comedy for young halfwits than drivel masquerading as factual news for halfwits of all ages.

37 posted on 03/02/2002 11:08:04 AM PST by steve-b
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To: Jhoffa_
it is??? That is great news!
38 posted on 03/02/2002 12:15:46 PM PST by rwfromkansas
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To: Theodore R.
"Once and Again" is all about sex -- it's just that the people keep their clothes on. The entire episodes exude nothing but SEX. The chemistry between Billy Campbell and Selah Ward is stunning.

Oh, Mama! Be careful what you post -- you'll end up deleted! Now, I've got to go take a cold shower!

39 posted on 03/02/2002 1:01:12 PM PST by mrustow
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
can remember years ago staying up until midnight to see what was on Nightline only to be disappointed that it was not on the day's hot story, but rather it was a half hour dedicated to

One of the many reasons why I stopped watching. I used to look to Nightline for in-depth analysis of the day's news only to hear Koppel whine about how the sitcom "Friends" didn't have any blacks on or some other such liberal nonsense.

40 posted on 03/02/2002 1:07:24 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: RLK
Hey, it's half-wits who watch liberal "news" (propaganda) shows. Comedy might be a step up. Besides, I like Letterman. He's smart and funny.

The world will be taken over by comedy for young halfwits.

41 posted on 03/02/2002 1:17:39 PM PST by GOPJ
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To: kattracks
Ted Coppel has become as much of a propaganda machine as CNN, could be the reason for his low ratings.
42 posted on 03/02/2002 1:18:42 PM PST by Great Dane
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To: kattracks
What is "ABC?"
43 posted on 03/02/2002 1:35:23 PM PST by a merkin
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
The idea of Nightline was good. The execution and excessive contamination by liberalism deteriorated the show. This doesn't seem to get through the thick skulls at TV central who believe the only analysis worth pursuing is liberal analysis.
44 posted on 03/02/2002 4:08:38 PM PST by RLK
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To: kattracks
and that his equally livid boss, ABC News president David Westin, had no idea his network cohorts were avidly pursuing Letterman through back-channels in Los Angeles.

Sounds like Enron.

45 posted on 03/02/2002 4:12:25 PM PST by swampfox98
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To: mrustow
So, mrustow, what did I write that is untrue about "Once and Again." Are you seeing this show through different lenses than I have? To me it is totally a SEX show.
46 posted on 03/02/2002 5:03:48 PM PST by Theodore R.
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
The need for Nightline has come and gone.

Nightline is a fraud. The producers decide what they want said, then they find guests to say it.

Several years ago Rush said that he was invited to be on if he would say certain things. I turned the show on that night and low and behold a guest repeated exactly what Rush said he was told to say.

47 posted on 03/02/2002 5:13:23 PM PST by Sci Fi Guy
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To: Theodore R.
RE #5

Ted's daughter is Andrea Koppel. I do not know if she worked for Dukakis campaign. But she is one of those network TV reporter who get a lot face time. I think she was a CNN correspondent stationed in Beijing. She may still be. Journalism tends to become family business over generations like Medical doctors. If daddy do it, his children will do it, too

48 posted on 03/02/2002 6:57:57 PM PST by TigerLikesRooster
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To: Theodore R.
So, mrustow, what did I write that is untrue about "Once and Again." Are you seeing this show through different lenses than I have? To me it is totally a SEX show.

First of all, I can hide behind the fact that I haven't seen it in two months. First, ABC changed its time slot, and even when I heard about it, I forgot to change my viewing habits. (ABC knew what it was doing; whenever the network "suits" want to slowly kill a show, they change its time slot, because they know that a lot of people will forget to, or will be unwilling to make the move.) BTW, if I'm not mistaken, it's supposed to reappear for its last seven episodes on Mondays, beginning March 4.)

With that said, you may accuse me of lawyering for this, but I saw less "sex" than eroticism. Eroticism has a sexual feel to it, because it's about desire. But eroticism is almost always about (as yet) unfulfilled desires. (I recall now, that early on in the first season, when the two protagonists were courting, there was lots of sex.) The show is full of desire, but when I was still watching regularly, there wasn't much s-e-x.

49 posted on 03/02/2002 8:34:20 PM PST by mrustow
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To: Theodore R.
After making my last post, I went back and re-read your previous post. We are simply using different words for the same phenomenon.

"You say psychotic, and I say erotic ...
Psychotic, erotic, sclerotic, myopic,
Let's call the whole thing off!"

50 posted on 03/02/2002 8:39:34 PM PST by mrustow
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