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Above the Impact: A WTC Survivor s Story
Nova ^ | 5/29/02

Posted on 04/29/2002 12:32:14 PM PDT by dead

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1 posted on 04/29/2002 12:32:14 PM PDT by dead
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The security guard was saying, "I need help. My phones don't work, but I need medical attention for this man. I'll stay with him, I'll tend him, but you must promise to get help as soon as you can telephone somebody."

This sentence really got to me. What a brave man!

The detail in this story was excruciating. I used to shop in that Sam Goody, and ate breakfast everyday in one of those little delis across the street, next to the firehouse. Everything he mentioned, except the church, is gone now.

2 posted on 04/29/2002 12:48:57 PM PDT by dead
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To: dead
Thanks. What a powerful story.
3 posted on 04/29/2002 12:50:47 PM PDT by NittanyLion
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To: dead
"wow" bump
4 posted on 04/29/2002 12:52:57 PM PDT by Blueflag
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Everything he mentioned, except the church, is gone now.

I attended a dinner at the Hyatt Regency on 42nd Street a couple months ago, and was able to spend a couple hours downtown, including time at Ground Zero. The total lack of damage (except the stopped clock on its steeple) to the church is astounding. What really got me choked up was the memorials posted on the church fence, as well as the debris (vertical blinds, insulations, etc.) hanging in trees everywhere.

5 posted on 04/29/2002 12:54:08 PM PDT by NittanyLion
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Wow. I recently met with someone who knew maybe 30 people who died downtown. Mostly people at Fred Alger. He needed months of therapy as he watched it all happen from the WFC. He also knows someone who got injured in elevators on the way down that managed to be in the path of the second plane. He told me another story of a woman who was impaled by a pipe (plane wreckage)in an elevator going down. The people in the elevator managed to get the door open, and they got her out of the elevator, only to have the door close behind her. She managed to get out of the building. Noone else who was on the elevator got out.

He also blames Clinton for everything.

6 posted on 04/29/2002 12:55:25 PM PDT by finnman69
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To: Dark Wing
ping
7 posted on 04/29/2002 1:01:37 PM PDT by Thud
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To: dead
WTC collapsed because the towers were built "on the cheap".

When the construction crews were prohibited from spraying asbestos to insulate the steel columns (see: New York Times, April 28, 1970, p. 83), the towers should have been built to a shorter height, around 70 stories.

8 posted on 04/29/2002 1:12:19 PM PDT by Tuco-bad
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To: dead
Never Forget Bump!
9 posted on 04/29/2002 1:34:25 PM PDT by TheDon
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To: dead
WTC 9 to paralyzed pal: 'You're coming with us'
10 posted on 04/29/2002 1:38:30 PM PDT by Incorrigible
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To: dead
A great movie about Sept. 11 is waiting to be made, but it won't be about politicians and terrorists, it should be about personal stories like this.
11 posted on 04/29/2002 1:39:25 PM PDT by 537 Votes
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Thomas Eagar does not agree with your analysis in any way. His analysis of the collapse never even mentions asbestos or the lack thereof.

He blames the collapse on the fact that the intense, but not uniform, heat was spread instantly across entire floors (as would never happen in a “normal” fire). Combined with the buckling from impact, the heat caused a failing in the certain angle clips (which held the floor trusses to the column) setting off the catastrophic chain reaction collapse.

Thomas Eagar is Thomas Lord Professor of Materials Engineering and Engineering Systems at MIT. What are your credentials? I mean, other than being a repeatedly failed political prognosticator?

12 posted on 04/29/2002 1:50:49 PM PDT by dead
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To: Jeff Head; ALOHA RONNIE; palo verde
What a story of survival and luck.
13 posted on 04/29/2002 1:52:06 PM PDT by Fred Mertz
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To: Tuco-bad
dont be such an idiot.

For the WTC towers to remain standing after 2 747's hit them is amazing enough. For them to succomb only because of many 10,000's of gallons of burning jet fuel is certainly respectable, and definately nothing anyone prior to 9/11 could have anticipated. (Well, maybe anyone who read DEBT OF HONOR -- but no one thought about them hitting skyscrapers).

Instead of blaming the engineers, lets remember who brought down the towers-- a bunch of Islamic fanatics shouting "Allahu akhbar," no doubt.

Of course, we all know Islam is a religion of peace....

14 posted on 04/29/2002 1:59:36 PM PDT by jude24
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To: dead
What are your credentials? I mean, other than being a repeatedly failed political prognosticator?

HIGH FIVE ROFLMAO!

15 posted on 04/29/2002 2:01:05 PM PDT by finnman69
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To: dead
Very intense, very vivid. I've been to the WTC so many times over the years for both business and pleasure, and as I read Mr. Clark's first hand account of the events that unfolded during the morning hours on 09.11.01, I was able to visualize and retrace vitually every step that he took upon exiting the north side of the south tower near the "half price ticket booth." But try as I may, I will never be able to accurately imagine the fear and panic, pain and suffering, sounds and smells, and injuries and deaths that resulted from that horrific event. There were so many true heros that day, from our public servants in uniform, to the private citizens who risked their lives to lead others to safety, to the people of lower Manhattan who gave water, food, shelter, and comfort to those escaping from the collapsing structures. ("True heros" as opposed to Hollywood wackos or overpaid sports stars who are often called "heros" for saving a tree or hitting a game winning home-run.) I want to cry whenever I think about 09.11.01 and the people who perished and those who survived. I need to cry. We all do. I'll never forget.
16 posted on 04/29/2002 2:03:19 PM PDT by Labyrinthos
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What are your credentials? I mean, other than being a repeatedly failed political prognosticator?

You mean like predicting Lazio would lose?

17 posted on 04/29/2002 2:04:17 PM PDT by Tuco-bad
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Thomas Eagar is Thomas Lord Professor of Materials Engineering and Engineering Systems at MIT. What are your credentials?

I did give you a source; New York Times 4/28/1970.

18 posted on 04/29/2002 2:05:10 PM PDT by Tuco-bad
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To: dead
bump
19 posted on 04/29/2002 2:08:20 PM PDT by mhking
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To: jude24
For the WTC towers to remain standing after 2 747's hit them is amazing enough. For them to succomb only because of many 10,000's of gallons of burning jet fuel is certainly respectable, and definately nothing anyone prior to 9/11 could have anticipated.

If true, that no one would expect the WTC to stand after the impact of the 767s then: "Why were emergency workers sent into the WTC?

Instead of blaming the engineers, lets remember who brought down the towers-- a bunch of Islamic fanatics shouting "Allahu akhbar," no doubt.

Of course the Islamic fanatics are responsible, I'm just saying had the WTC not been built "on the cheap" the WTC probably would not have collapsed.

Of course, we all know Islam is a religion of peace....

If I were an Islamic person, I would be ashamed of my religion.

20 posted on 04/29/2002 2:11:39 PM PDT by Tuco-bad
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You mean like predicting Lazio would lose?

Nice revisionist history. Your prediction was that Lazio would drop out of the race after he was indicted. You're much better at predicting the past than the future.

I did give you a source; New York Times 4/28/1970.

Amazing that the Times determined what caused the collapse of the Towers way back in 1970. No wonder liberals like yourself revel in their pronouncements as if they were all-knowing and infinitely wise.

21 posted on 04/29/2002 2:12:50 PM PDT by dead
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had the WTC not been built "on the cheap" the WTC probably would not have collapsed.

- Tuco-bad, amateur structural engineer and repeatedly failed liberal political prognosticator.

A lot of people said, Well, the building failed. That's true, but nothing is indestructible. The question is, why did it fail? In this case, as I've explained, it was the fire covering the whole floor in a few seconds that made this different from any other fire that anyone had ever designed for.

- Thomas Eagar, Thomas Lord Professor of Materials Engineering and Engineering Systems at MIT.

22 posted on 04/29/2002 2:19:04 PM PDT by dead
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To: Labyrinthos
...amen---prayers!
23 posted on 04/29/2002 2:34:10 PM PDT by f.Christian
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To: dead
"Death is nothing at all" and misc. quotes from fire and rescue workers...some that didn't return

The Real Heroes Are Dead: A love story.

24 posted on 04/29/2002 2:44:02 PM PDT by Sir Gawain
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Great links! Thanks.
25 posted on 04/29/2002 2:56:44 PM PDT by dead
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Wow - tuco-bad penny has turned up. I doubt that any building even with the insulation you refer to could handle the heat brom so much blazing jet fuel. Now let's see how you defend the arab murderers in the plane.
26 posted on 04/29/2002 3:01:07 PM PDT by KSCITYBOY
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Your response to tuco-bad was harsh and I commend your efforts.
27 posted on 04/29/2002 3:03:04 PM PDT by KSCITYBOY
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Very sad. I was not aware of the "Poseiden Adventure" aspect to this tragedy, where some folks make a fatal decision, and head in the wrong direction. If I was there, it's quite plausible that I would be in the camp that would want to head to the roof, and wait for the NYPD choppers.

Every time my heart and mind begin to heal from the attack, I read something like this, and my hatred for these filthy, subhuman demons, who planned or carried out or applauded this, anywhere on Earth, grows 10X stronger...

28 posted on 04/29/2002 3:09:31 PM PDT by Senator Pardek
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The Bravest Man I Ever Knew

A day full of Heros. Click the above link to read about a genuine American Hero (Vietnam and WTC)

29 posted on 04/29/2002 3:22:10 PM PDT by Gamecock
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Awesome, awesome story.
An amazing post.

"And at that moment my associate Ron who came down with me was overcome with smoke. He had a gym bag or a briefcase with him, and he was sort of putting it in front of his face in an attempt to filter the air. It clearly wasn't working, and Ron, with eyes shut, backed off the floor. He was almost completely overcome by the smoke.
"Again, miraculously, I was in a bubble. I was breathing fine."

This is the part that makes me sit up.
There is way more to this world than that which we normally perceive.

30 posted on 04/29/2002 3:26:11 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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"We got to the point I couldn't do any more work from my side, and I said, "You've got to jump. You've got to get over this last barrier." Well, he jumped once and fell back down. I said, "Come on, you've got to do this. It's the only way out." I reached in again, and Stanley jumped, and I got him by the collar or the shoulder or somewhere there. He said later that I just pulled him up like Superman. I don't remember having this extraordinary strength, but he says it really did happen that way."
31 posted on 04/29/2002 3:28:28 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: dead
Never forget. Never ever forget!
32 posted on 04/29/2002 3:37:57 PM PDT by aomagrat
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"You know, Stanley, you may think I saved your life but I think you saved my life, too. You got me out of that argument as to whether I should go up or go down. I'm here, and I'm fine, and it's because of your voice in the darkness that I made it."

I am thoroughly flabberghasted.
This story gives me chills.

33 posted on 04/29/2002 3:57:03 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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Thomas Eagar does not agree with your analysis in any way. His analysis of the collapse never even mentions asbestos or the lack thereof.

The guys at my mother's company (destructive metals testing lab) said the same thing Eagar did. I specifically asked about asbestos, and they said it wouldn't have made any difference.

Maven
34 posted on 04/29/2002 4:42:34 PM PDT by Maven
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Thanks for this post. Never forget!

I am currently reading a book by a retired fireman called "Report from Ground Zero" ... excellent read. Lots of first hand accounts.

35 posted on 04/29/2002 4:48:46 PM PDT by BunnySlippers
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A lot of people said, Well, the building failed. That's true, but nothing is indestructible. The question is, why did it fail? In this case, as I've explained, it was the fire covering the whole floor in a few seconds that made this different from any other fire that anyone had ever designed for.

Why did a third building; 7 World Trade Center, a 47th story building implode?

36 posted on 04/29/2002 6:49:39 PM PDT by Tuco-bad
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Wow - tuco-bad penny has turned up. I doubt that any building even with the insulation you refer to could handle the heat brom so much blazing jet fuel.

Perhaps so, but the WTC would have stayed up longer if the steel columns were properly insulated.

Now let's see how you defend the arab murderers in the plane.

Unlike many people I will never forget the WTC/Pentagon attacks by Arab murderers, nor will I ever forgive.

37 posted on 04/29/2002 6:54:04 PM PDT by Tuco-bad
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how is it possible to post with your head so far up your ass ??

you evidently have absolutely NO concept of respect whatsoever.

take your amateur tinfoil bullshit to some other thread.

this one is to honor the dead and celebrate the survivors ...

38 posted on 04/29/2002 6:55:14 PM PDT by old blue beemer
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A belated lesson for those that work on highrises, but find out where all the fire exits are.Amazing that they were all by themselves using this stairwell.How many more could have been saved if they knew enough to try another exit.And never go up in a fire, always head for ground.So much serendipidity in this tale, and I'm glad he shared it with the rest of us.
39 posted on 04/29/2002 7:06:00 PM PDT by habs4ever
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To: dead
Stunning story. Thanks.
40 posted on 04/29/2002 7:09:06 PM PDT by livius
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yes, many thanks for posting this.

Never Forget !

41 posted on 04/29/2002 7:18:39 PM PDT by tomkat
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To: dead
BTTT...

SR

42 posted on 04/29/2002 7:31:38 PM PDT by sit-rep
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To: dead
incredible read
43 posted on 04/29/2002 7:38:01 PM PDT by VOA
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To: dead
Thank God for heroes
44 posted on 04/29/2002 7:38:42 PM PDT by harpo11
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To: Tuco-bad
WTC collapsed because the towers were built "on the cheap"…the towers should have been built to a shorter height, around 70 stories…
Why did a third building; 7 World Trade Center, a 47th story building implode?

Because, at 47 stories, they didn’t build it tall enough, according to your silly theory.

Seriously, that building burned for six hours after being riddled with flying beams weighing hundreds of tons and assorted other burning debris. These set entire floors on fire.

In addition to the obvious problems going on that prevented the usual fire departments response, there were also 5 tanks of diesel fuel in the building holding as much as 42,000 gallons of fuel for backup generators, such as the mayor’s command center.

BTW, the steel beams in WTC7 (which wasn’t built until 1987) were treated with fireproofing material, and the rooms holding the diesel tanks were further fire-proofed.

"Any structure anywhere in the world, if you put it in these conditions, it will not stand. The buildings are not designed to be a torch."
- Silvian Marcus, structural engineer

46 posted on 04/30/2002 8:06:39 AM PDT by dead
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To: dead
bump for later
47 posted on 04/30/2002 8:32:14 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: dead
Another bump and reminder to folks who want to see the PBS NOVA show on the collapse of
the WTC Towers on TV tonight.
48 posted on 04/30/2002 12:06:03 PM PDT by VOA
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Bump back at you. I'm really looking forward to tonight's show.
49 posted on 04/30/2002 12:25:58 PM PDT by dead
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Seriously, that building burned for six hours after being riddled with flying beams weighing hundreds of tons and assorted other burning debris. These set entire floors on fire.

Unfortunately the collapse was shown on TV from the north side, where the fire wasn't, and as a result a lot of people think there was something mysterious/suspicious about #7 falling down. Here's the front of the building, seen from the river:

Now that's a bad fire and, from the angle of the sun, it was still early in the day.

50 posted on 04/30/2002 12:46:07 PM PDT by hellinahandcart
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