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Where Every Day is Sept. 11 (Website shows gruesome WTC photos)
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | 4/28/02 | Robert Salladay

Posted on 05/02/2002 10:51:27 PM PDT by Drew68

Edited on 04/13/2004 2:40:14 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

The image is titled "wtcsplat.jpg." You get the idea. Other video clips on the Internet show a series of people leaping to their deaths from the burning World Trade Center -- to background music of "Free Falling" by Tom Petty.


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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 911; 911archive; binladen; internetgore; islamicjihad; wtc; wtcattacks
Don't think this has been posted. I did a search and came up nil

The motto of Klinker's Web site is: "Can you handle life?"

I know what website this story is about. I've seen these photos and they are gruesome.

1 posted on 05/02/2002 10:51:27 PM PDT by Drew68
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To: Kalashnikov_68
One thing I never knew, but learned from the recent thread about the "WTC Survivor's Story", was that people were jumping from the North Tower before the second plane ever hit the South Tower. People in the South Tower were watching out their windows as people jumped from the North tower. I always wondered how many people were looking out the windows of the two towers directly at the planes coming straight at them as they sipped their coffee.
2 posted on 05/02/2002 11:07:25 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard
One thing I never knew, but learned from the recent thread about the "WTC Survivor's Story", was that people were jumping from the North Tower before the second plane ever hit the South Tower.

I read about that on the PBS Nova website about the recent "Why the Towers Fell" special they aired.

Excellent special, BTW.

But I know what story you are talking about. A young lady (who later perished) was telling the survivor (one of four who lived above the crash site) how terrible it was to watch and he replied that, yes, people are dying.

I couldn't imagine how awful it must've been.

3 posted on 05/02/2002 11:13:31 PM PDT by Drew68
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To: *WTC Attacks
Bumped to the WTC Attacks List
4 posted on 05/02/2002 11:46:47 PM PDT by Drew68
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To: Kalashnikov_68
Religion of Peace bump.
5 posted on 05/02/2002 11:51:52 PM PDT by The Great Satan
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To: Kalashnikov_68
I've been to that site too. They're not showing anything that hasn't already been published by the mainstream media, unless I'm missing out on some super-secret page hidden even from the regular visitors to that site. Most of the photos are simply of people in mid-fall after jumping; unpleasant, but not GRUESOME. There are only two truly yucky photos there; both were published in the New York Daily News the next day, and the one purporting to be of a dead body is actually that of a Daily News photographer writhing in pain on the floor of a deli. Some debris fell on him and broke one or both of his legs, so some firemen carried him into the deli until paramedics could arrive. He's fine now.
6 posted on 05/03/2002 12:05:45 AM PDT by Timesink
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To: Timesink
They're not showing anything that hasn't already been published by the mainstream media, unless I'm missing out on some super-secret page hidden even from the regular visitors to that site.

The gruesome pics are the two pics showing WTC jumpers *on the pavement*

Sure, they are covered with sheets, but there is still a lot of gore laying about that is visible. These people were also covered with a few sheets as their bodies came apart on impact.

I hadn't seen these pics anywhere except this website.

7 posted on 05/03/2002 12:11:35 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: Timesink;Kalashnikov_68
The gruesome pics are the two pics showing WTC jumpers *on the pavement*

I just checked the site and it appears that those pics have been removed.

But they were there and I have seen them.

8 posted on 05/03/2002 12:16:06 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: Kalashnikov_68
Huh. I wonder what made them take them offline.
9 posted on 05/03/2002 12:18:48 AM PDT by Timesink
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To: Timesink
Huh. I wonder what made them take them offline.

Actually, I just found them. They've been renamed and hidden.

FReepmail me for info if you are curious.

10 posted on 05/03/2002 12:24:46 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: SpyderTim
Just pinging you because I noticed you bumped the original 9/11 thread.
11 posted on 05/03/2002 1:00:03 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: expatriot
THE ACT THAT CREATED THOSE PICTURES IS WHAT DISTURBS ME!

Yes! I honestly believe that we were censored from the truly graphic pics in an effort to control our collective rage.

This is f***ed up!

I don't want my rage controlled or limited. I want it to fester and boil.

Americans are quickly losing their appetite for vengence. 9/11 is becoming a distant memory for many. Ground Zero is all but sanitized. We are losing our focus. Just look around: Crying over the poor Palestinians (they danced in the streets on 9/11 --another censored image). Bush's Appeasment of the Saudis (who blessed us with 15 of the 19 hijackers). Islam wants us dead and we are treating them with kid gloves. It makes me seeth!

13 posted on 05/03/2002 1:37:12 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: Kalashnikov_68
Thanks.
14 posted on 05/03/2002 1:38:54 AM PDT by SpyderTim
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To: Kalashnikov_68
The irony is that the western world reacts to 'arab rage' and kowtows, coddles, and kisses their butts because the Arabs might have riots in the street... we are endlessly shown 'poor terrorist' photos from Jenin... but when it comes to American rage, why, we are kept in check by being kept in the dark, and so American politicians are more likely to listed to the Arabs demonstrating in foreign streets than they are to American citizens. The US ought to use some 'American rage' to scare the he!! out of the Arab world for a change.

Perhaps if those towel-headed nutjobs got a good look at enraged Americans, had the snot scared out of them when seeing a wall of POed people ringing THEIR embassies in Washington, they would wake up.

15 posted on 05/03/2002 1:57:27 AM PDT by piasa
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To: piasa
The irony is that the western world reacts to 'arab rage' and kowtows, coddles, and kisses their butts because the Arabs might have riots in the street.

It's so aggrevating I don't even know where to begin. We can't even muster the courage to kick these people out of our own country!

Before we can beat the mohommedans into submission, we need to put some backbone into Americans. I hate to say it but we (and the Western World as well) have become a nation of softies. We have liberals here and abroad who are defending a people who, if in power, would hang them first!

It's so mind boggling my head spins! One would have thought that 9/11 would have hardened us a bit. But how could it when we were treated as children when dealing with it?

Sadly, I honestly believe that it will take at least another major terrorist attack before we, as a culture, can even begin to grow a spine (I'm speaking in generalizations of course).

16 posted on 05/03/2002 2:19:14 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: Kalashnikov_68; All
This pic sez it all doesn't it? I too am staying in a healthy pissed-off state. Tick Tock, Tick Toc...


17 posted on 05/03/2002 2:35:51 AM PDT by Buffalo Bob
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To: Buffalo Bob
This pic sez it all doesn't it? I too am staying in a healthy pissed-off state. Tick Tock, Tick Toc...

I am too. That's why I posted this article.

The SF Chronicle makes it sound as though this guy was wrong to post these images. I think it's just the opposite. What's wrong is it takes a Dutch website posting Spanish news clips to give Americans the only "hard" images from 9/11! Our media has effectively purged all of this. And the Chronicle is making this dude out to be the bad guy!

Screw all that!

I'm no blood and guts freak (well, actually I am but that's besides the point) but these images should be at the very least made accessable. I understand there are those that do not wish to see them. That is their prerogative. But don't hide them from those of us who use them to keep the fire in our bellies burning and the hatred in our hearts strong.

Seeing Americans jumping to their death fills me with rage. This rage makes it easy for me to smile when I see dead mohommedans.

18 posted on 05/03/2002 2:50:19 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: Kalashnikov_68
I never smile, per se, at the news of a dead mohammedan, but, i will admit that i am always relieved when i hear of it. Always i think, 'Thank you, Lord, one less terrorist to spread Satan's evil and destroy the lives of innocents.' This, in itself, reflects the indelible scar that the arabs have left; never before in my life did i sigh relief at the news of someone else's death. So, while i was fortunate not to be in NYC or D.C. or PA that day, their evil has impacted me, as well as anyone with a modicum of moral clarity. Anyone who chooses not to acknowledge it, imho, is walking on very precarious ground. It's fear, i think, that prevents people from facing the truth about what the long-term goals of the 'religion of peace'. Fear of the truth--not fear of confronting the terrorism headlong--is what will bring more terrorism to our front-door.

9/11, for us, should never be forgotten, nor should we overlook and forget what atrocious acts against humanity these monsters have committed (and continue to do so daily) in so many other countries, including India, the Phillipines, Israel, Indonesia, etc., etc.
19 posted on 05/03/2002 5:09:45 AM PDT by DontMessWithMyCountry
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bttt
20 posted on 05/03/2002 11:02:41 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: Kalashnikov_68
From your Post#10:

Actually, I just found them. They've been renamed and hidden.

In the DEC2001 archives? Is that the site? And why the stealth and secrecy?

The funny thing is, if it was removed from the main page to pacify the press, they (the press) are REALLY STUPID. I found them in 6 clicks, that includes the ones to copy and paste just from the info up to Post#10!

21 posted on 05/03/2002 11:41:29 AM PDT by StriperSniper
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To: StriperSniper;all
In the DEC2001 archives? Is that the site? And why the stealth and secrecy?

Yep! That's the one. They are still in the archives but have been removed from the WTC section.

I had previously found them in the WTC section. I never did check the archives.

I think he took them out of the WTC section after complaints. I also noticed he removed the "Free Falling" Tom Petty/jumpers mpg (which was extremely tasteless).

23 posted on 05/03/2002 3:38:39 PM PDT by Drew68
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To: Kalashnikov_68
The WTC section was there when I went there.(?)

I didn't download the vid clips, I had too much already running, but noticed there was one that had a Slipknot 'soundtrack' labled (better music, but I'm sure just as tasteless in this situation).

24 posted on 05/03/2002 3:45:08 PM PDT by StriperSniper
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To: Kalashnikov_68
On September 11, the spanish news broadcasts were showing the jumpers live; not everyone's taste and i could not understand the voiceover (didn't need to anyway).
Agree with you, i don't think these types of pictures should be hidden. It's a question of choosing to view or not. The whole culture now seems bent on sugarcoating and forgetting. I don't want to and i do not think we as a country should either.
25 posted on 05/03/2002 3:49:12 PM PDT by swarthyguy
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To: Kalashnikov_68; expatriot; buffalo bob
The gruesome photos are good only to rile up and manipulate an already pissed off (and perhaps cynical) populace who for the most part can do absolutely nothing to change what has already transpired, so let's not cry over spilled milk (or blood) but instead let us go after the culprits (or the system?) that caused/allowed this carnage to happen in the first place. Locking the flight-cabin doors of our aircraft is a great idea, so is locking the barn door after the horse has already escaped. Why wasn't somebody tending the goddamned horse in the first place? What, doesn't anybody love horses anymore??? I'm pissed, I’m outraged…. but offended too!! Stupidity, carelessness and arrogance always goeth before fall, methinks.
26 posted on 05/03/2002 4:08:55 PM PDT by Washington-Husky
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To: Kalashnikov_68
If the images from the holocaust had not been broadcast, if the pictures of mass graves, bodies piled on top of bodies, ovens filled with burned bones and the pictures of people who managed to live through it had not been release, would the world have realized just how brutal the Nazi's really were?

Censoring the pictures from the WTC attacks does nothing but allow the public to go their merry way feeling sorry for every little person in the world who screams about some violation to them and using terror to "correct" it. Too bad, it's reality, it happened and it's not pretty. Personally, I think they should have been shown, in all their graphic detail every day since 9-11 simply so people will not forget.

27 posted on 05/03/2002 4:30:05 PM PDT by Brytani
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To: Brytani
Personally, I think they should have been shown, in all their graphic detail every day since 9-11 simply so people will not forget.

They haven't been shown and we are starting to forget.

That's was so damn aggravating! It hasn't been a year yet and the only thing that has changed is that we've lost more civil liberties. Political Correctness is settling back into fashion, the Lefties are still crying about poor Arabs. Soon, gun control will be in vogue again (if not already).

Americans seem to be good at burying their heads in the sand.

28 posted on 05/03/2002 4:46:18 PM PDT by Drew68
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To: Kalashnikov_68
I agree people are already forgetting. Oh, they will remember on 9-11-2002 when television stations try to boast ratings (and advertiser dollars) for their 9-11 specials. People will once again fly a flag from their house or car, wear a flag t-shirt and some will cry crocodile tears over the year anniversary. A week later, all will be forgotten again. I'm not one to blame America for what happened on 9-11, but I do place the blame on why the entire world allows terrorists to continue - humans have short memories.
29 posted on 05/03/2002 5:23:18 PM PDT by Brytani
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To: Kalashnikov_68; All
FReepmail me for info if you are curious.

I noticed that when FReepmailed, the links got all screwed up. Reluctantly, I'm going to post them here. Why? Because we're not babies. If you want to see them, copy and paste the links. If not, please move on. But it is my opinion that these should be available for those who wish to view them.

http://images.ogrish.com/wtcsplat1.jpg

http://images.ogrish.com/wtcsplat2.jpg

http://www.ogrish.com/usaterattack.php

Some of these are extremely gruesome. You've been warned.

30 posted on 05/03/2002 5:31:58 PM PDT by Drew68
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To: Kalashnikov_68
I noticed that they didn't post the web site. Where is it ?
31 posted on 05/03/2002 5:57:21 PM PDT by Centurion2000
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To: Kalashnikov_68
You did the right thing. I live about 50 miles from Ground Zero, and I sometimes get the feeling that folks in the hinterlands only realize the carnage and devastation of 9/11 from what they read and what they see on TV.

It's not quite as personalized.

This "war" won't be over until all of the filthy savages who both planned and support this atrocity, anywhere on the globe, die a painful death.

Some say 1 billion people on Earth thought it was a "good thing". Really? Too bad.

32 posted on 05/03/2002 6:06:02 PM PDT by Senator Pardek
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To: Centurion2000
I noticed that they didn't post the web site. Where is it ?

See Post #30

33 posted on 05/03/2002 6:09:11 PM PDT by Drew68
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To: Centurion2000
I noticed that they didn't post the web site. Where is it ?

Yeah, they chickened out. Mainstream journalists aren't hot on linking. They think they're the ones who should be generating content, not your random netizen!

Here is the site (click the image to go there):

He has quite a lot of gross stuff posted there. Little of it is related to the WTC attack. I think he's trying to compete with rotten.com and the stileproject. For a sampling, copy this into your Address box and press enter (but don't say you were not warned):

http://images.google.com/images?q=site%3aogrish.com+-thisisntthere&hl=en&safe=off

34 posted on 05/03/2002 6:48:06 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: expatriot
That was a really good post! (I'm still digesting it, so I'm still speechless.... you understand, I'm sure!)

I concur with your feelings towards "the Management" (where is/was the accountaBillity??) And don't forget that "the management" was (and still is) paid for with your and my tax dollars. Do you ever feel that you would like to get a refund due to services NOT rendered?

I tried to get ahold of them to see about a refund. Didn't get too far. The best I could tell is that their number for those sorts of things is.... wait, wait, I've got it right here.... it's "1-800-HaHaHaHaHa!"

(I think Carrot Top does commercials for them, you might catch him on TV. Assuming you haven't shot yours already.)

36 posted on 05/04/2002 5:08:57 PM PDT by Washington-Husky
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To: expatriot
Hey, did you ever watch "Fight Club" (the movie)?
If you did (and we all know how painful that can be),
perhaps you remember these quotes from Tyler Durden,
played by Brad Pitt:

Our generation has had no Great Depression, no Great War. Our war is a spiritual war. Our depression is our lives.

You're not your job. You're not how much money you have in the bank. You're not the car you drive. You're not the contents of your wallet. You're not your f##king khakis. You're the all-singing, all-dancing crap of the world.

We were raised on television to believe that we'd all be millionares, movie gods, rock stars, but we won't. And we're starting to figure that out.

Watch "Fight Club" if you haven't seen it. That movie made me THINK! Something to ponder, anyway...

38 posted on 05/04/2002 8:18:48 PM PDT by Washington-Husky
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To: cynwoody
He has quite a lot of gross stuff posted there. Little of it is related to the WTC attack. I think he's trying to compete with rotten.com and the stileproject.

I still enjoy rotten.com though I wish they'd update more frequently (something Ogrish does). I used to enjoy stileproject but he's pretty much turned into a porn site --and not a very good one at that.

39 posted on 05/04/2002 9:37:12 PM PDT by Drew68
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To: Kalashnikov_68
Somebody posted this pics originally on FREEREPUBLIC. I remember the person who took these gave a huge anecdote all about them. It's someone who lives right down the street from the WTC site. There were many pics of right before the tower collapsed and then pics from a ferry evacuating to New Jersey.
40 posted on 05/04/2002 9:45:37 PM PDT by finnman69
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To: Kalashnikov_68
I bumped this to the NY page since the person who took the actual splat pics is a Freeper.
41 posted on 05/04/2002 9:50:56 PM PDT by finnman69
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To: finnman69
I saw a report on the news about how these pics (and others of the jumpers after they hit the pavement) are being sold by Manhattan vendors to tourists. In light of this, I'm surprised that more of them have not surfaced on the web.
42 posted on 05/04/2002 10:18:08 PM PDT by Drew68
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To: finnman69
Somebody posted this pics originally on FREEREPUBLIC. I remember the person who took these gave a huge anecdote all about them.

I don't suppose you'd have a link? There are far too many 9/11 WTC threads to even think about searching for it.

44 posted on 05/04/2002 10:34:17 PM PDT by Drew68
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To: Kalashnikov_68,finnman69
Those are my pictures, and they were removed because I told the freak at ogrish.com they are copyrighted and he did not have my permission to post them on his morbid website. It looks like he really wants to have them on his site, so maybe we will have to settle this in court. Not only did this guy rename the photos 'splat', but he says they are photos of jumpers and put his stupid logo on them. The real story behind these photos is on my homepage.

I hope it was not a FReeper who mailed this guy the photos. That would be sad.

45 posted on 05/05/2002 10:20:47 AM PDT by sixmil
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To: Drew68; All
A "never forget" bttt^
46 posted on 08/10/2002 5:33:53 AM PDT by backhoe
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To: backhoe
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47 posted on 09/11/2002 4:14:23 AM PDT by MSSC6644
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To: Drew68
I have been getting a lot of mail lately from people asking where these pictures can be found.

I do not know where these pictures can be found.

They were originally on www.ogrish.com but have long since been removed.

Once again, I do not know where these pictures can be found.

Please do not FReep-mail me asking where these pictures can be found as I have grown tired of replying that I no longer know where these pictures can be found.

Finally, I DO NOT KNOW WHERE THESE PICTURES CAN BE FOUND.

Thanks,
Drew.

48 posted on 07/31/2003 7:28:33 PM PDT by Drew68
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To: StriperSniper
Could you let me know where to find these sites? I'm really curious and don't like the sanitized versions of the events of 9/11 that media gives. I want the whole truth.

Could you e-mail me a michaeljculver@hotmail.com?

Thank You,
Michael
49 posted on 08/06/2003 1:56:22 PM PDT by MickRock
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To: All
http://www.twin-towers.net/jumpers1.htm
50 posted on 11/21/2003 8:44:45 AM PST by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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