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Homosexual Researchers Debunk ‘Born Gay’ Urban Legend
Traditional Values Coalition ^ | 7/30/02 | Traditional Values Coalition

Posted on 07/29/2002 12:16:04 PM PDT by Polycarp



Homosexual Researchers Debunk ‘Born Gay’ Urban Legend

Date: Monday, July 29 @ 15:01:42 EDT
Topic: Homosexual Agenda


Washington, DC – Urban Legends are extremely difficult to stop once they’ve reached the email circuit or the Internet. The Federal Communications Commission (FCC), for example, still receives thousands of petitions each year from Christians who have been told that Madalyn Murray O’Hair is trying to get all Christian programming removed from TV and radio. Mrs. O’Hair has been dead for many years now, but the petitions continue to reach the FCC from alarmed Christians.

Lou Sheldon
By Rev. Louis P. Sheldon
Chairman,
Traditional Values Coalition

Emails and the Internet contribute to the spread of urban legends, but these information sources are also useful in helping us dispel urban legends. Traditional Values Coalition has recently launched its own urban legend site to debunk misinformation spread by homosexual activist organizations about the nature and prevalence of homosexuality in our culture. Our Homosexual Urban Legend site has just added a new legend that needs to be debunked: The claim that homosexuals are “born gay” and that homosexuality is fixed and unchangeable from birth.

The “Born Gay” urban legend is actually being exposed as false by homosexual researchers themselves. Homosexual researcher Dean Hamer, for example, notes that homosexuality is not “purely genetic…environmental factors play a role. There is not a single master gene that makes people gay.” Homosexual researcher Simon LeVay, who attempted to find a genetic basis for homosexuality by examining the differences in the hypothalamus between “homosexual” and “heterosexual” males, has written: “I didn’t show that gay men are born that way, the most common mistake people make in interpreting my work. Nor did I locate a gay center in the brain.”

Therapists who treat men and women struggling with same-sex attractions say that there are several consistent factors that contribute to the emergence of homosexuality: gender confusion in childhood, a failure to internalize maleness, and sexual abuse by a same-sex predator. Dr. Gregory Dickson, whose doctoral thesis is on the relationship between a mother and son in the development of homosexuality, found that 49% of the homosexuals he surveyed said they had been molested, compared to less than 2% of heterosexuals. Other research confirms what therapists have known for decades: Homosexuals are made, not born. And they are frequently “made” by older men who molest them as youngsters.

CLICK HERE Counselor Dr. Robert Hicks, author of The Masculine Journey has some sobering thoughts on the real origins of homosexual attractions: “…In counseling gay men for twenty years, I have not had one yet whom I would say had a normative childhood or normative adolescent development in the sexual arena. More often than not I have found stories of abusive, alcoholic, or absent (physically and emotionally) fathers; stories of incest or first experiences of sex forced upon them by older brothers, neighborhood men, or even friends. I sometimes find these men have been early exposure to pornography….” It is worth repeating: Homosexuals are made, not born.

This may not be good news to hardened homosexual activists who continue to engage in life-threatening behaviors. It should be good news to those men and women who struggle with same-sex attractions but who wish to lead normal lives. Organizations like Exodus International and the National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality are available to help free these individuals from same-sex attractions and a sexual behavior that can ultimately kill them.

Christians who oppose homosexuality are frequently accused of being unloving, but there is nothing more loving than helping a person to become free of a life-controlling and self-destructive behavior. How many more patches will be added to the AIDS Quilt before someone says enough is enough: Homosexuality kills.





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1 posted on 07/29/2002 12:16:04 PM PDT by Polycarp
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To: patent; Siobhan; sitetest; JMJ333; narses; Catholicguy; *Catholic_list; *Christian_list; ...
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2 posted on 07/29/2002 12:18:31 PM PDT by Polycarp
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To: Polycarp
"are several consistent factors that contribute to the emergence of homosexuality: gender confusion in childhood, a failure to internalize maleness, and sexual abuse by a same-sex predator. "

So, what are we going to do about it?
3 posted on 07/29/2002 12:27:03 PM PDT by PeterPrinciple
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To: Polycarp
Urban legend, my foot. Almost all the people I grew up with that came out of the closet were considered "sissies" or "fags" by our peer group before we went to our first school dance. There is some sort of genetic compenent to being gay. That gay lisp is something that a straight man could never recreate.
4 posted on 07/29/2002 12:27:33 PM PDT by toupsie
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To: patent; Siobhan; sitetest; JMJ333; narses; Catholicguy; *Catholic_list; Notwithstanding; ...
After computer crashes on two of my computers, I'm trying to recreate my ping lists. I've pulled together a couple old lists, but I may have missed some or added some who do not desire to be pinged.

If you would like to be added or removed from my Catholic ping list, no problem, just let me know via FReepmail. Thanks.

5 posted on 07/29/2002 12:28:34 PM PDT by Polycarp
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To: PeterPrinciple
National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality (NARTH)
6 posted on 07/29/2002 12:30:20 PM PDT by Polycarp
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To: toupsie
That gay lisp is something that a straight man could never recreate.

I see you've never been on a construction site when gays were being mocked by heterosexuals. Its easy to recreate because it is an affectation, not a genetic disorder.

I know men who left the gay lifestyle whose affectations vanished with their homosexuality.

I also know men who are by all outward appearances quite effeminate yet have 6 kids and solid marriages and no homosexual inclination whatsoever.

So effeminate is not = homosexual.

It might not exactly be a "choice" but neither is homosexuality in any way genetic.

7 posted on 07/29/2002 12:34:32 PM PDT by Polycarp
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To: toupsie
Howdy

Believe as you wish to believe, just be aware that there is not the faintest shred of scientific basis for the "born gay" myth.

There are billions of public dollars and tremendous political power resting on the public misperception regarding the origins of sexual deviancy, and therein lies the reason for this departure from reason.

Oh, for those halcyon days of ethics in science, nowadays most public policy and opinion based on "science" is merely junk science fashioned to serve political purposes.

10 posted on 07/29/2002 12:43:52 PM PDT by MoscowMike
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To: madg
Thank you for sharing your "unbiased" opinion.
11 posted on 07/29/2002 12:48:50 PM PDT by Polycarp
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To: MoscowMike
tremendous political power resting on the public misperception regarding the origins of sexual deviancy

Succinct. Pithy. Well said.

12 posted on 07/29/2002 12:51:13 PM PDT by Polycarp
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To: toupsie
That gay lisp is something that a straight man could never recreate

You thilly butt.

13 posted on 07/29/2002 12:52:28 PM PDT by Richard Kimball
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To: MoscowMike
I have two brothers, one older and one younger. The younger is a half brother, same mother but different father. From the time my younger brother was about 6 years old, we knew the boy was a fruiter. NO DOUBT in any ones mind. My older brother and I are as normal as can be but on my stepfathers side of the family there are numerous cases of homosexuality. Some of them are outright flamers, like my younger brother. There was never a question of choice with him, he was ALWAYS a drag queen!
14 posted on 07/29/2002 12:55:15 PM PDT by MAWG
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To: MAWG
It may not be preference, but there is always a choice. Free will, after all, allows us to choose which path we want to follow.
15 posted on 07/29/2002 12:58:09 PM PDT by JMJ333
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To: MoscowMike
There are billions of public dollars and tremendous political power resting on the public misperception regarding the origins of sexual deviancy, and therein lies the reason for this departure from reason.

And there are a lot of "Christian" organizations that are battling for donations and using Homosexuality as the bait. Their scientific basis? "The Bible said so".

We have more problems in our culture than men who know how to decorate their homes well. As long as a person's sexuality is the not thrust in my face, I couldn't care what they do in their bedroom.

As we have seen with the recent kidnappings of little girls, heterosexual men can be just as vile, evil and disgusting as your worst homosexual fears.

16 posted on 07/29/2002 12:59:49 PM PDT by toupsie
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To: Polycarp
NARTH is an excellant org. Dr. Joseph Nicolosi has done a tremendous amount of work in helping homosexuals recover their heterosexuality.
17 posted on 07/29/2002 1:00:58 PM PDT by ThomasMore
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To: toupsie
Hahahahah are you decieved.
18 posted on 07/29/2002 1:01:52 PM PDT by Khepera
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To: Polycarp
What always amazed me about homosexuals especially in the movies is how they could play love scenes with women ( Rock Hudson etc )

Actor or not there is noway they could get me to play love scenes with a man.
19 posted on 07/29/2002 1:05:39 PM PDT by uncbob
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To: MAWG
From the time my younger brother was about 6 years old, we knew the boy was a fruiter....

The most repected researchers on this issue believe the homosexual tendency is a delay in normal psychosocial development that occurs before age 6. Your illustration bolsters that argument.

There was never a question of choice with him, he was ALWAYS a drag queen!

The most repected researchers on this issue believe the homosexual tendency is a delay in normal psychosocial development, not necessarily "chosen" beavior per se, but definitely not genetic.

And since it is a delay in normal psychosocial development it can indeed be treated, often quite successfully.

If it was genetic, it could not be treated.

If it was solely a "choice" as some bible fundamentalists/literalists assert wrongly, it would be much easier to successfully treat.

20 posted on 07/29/2002 1:06:43 PM PDT by Polycarp
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To: JMJ333
NO, there wasn't a choice in his case. His parents tried to force him into a straight marriage. It didn't work. He found straight sex to be disgusting. YOU'RE not listening. We are talking about congenital-aberrant behaviour. He was the WIFE in a relationship. He PREFERRED taking it up the ass! Got it? I'm sorry that it doesn't fit in with your religous take on the world, but that's how it is sometimes. Serial killers dont CHOOSE to be serial killers. They just are. If this is inconvenient for you, find another religon or learn to deal with the truth.
21 posted on 07/29/2002 1:08:39 PM PDT by MAWG
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To: JMJ333; MAWG
"It may not be preference, but there is always a choice."

Do you suggest that MAWG's 6-year-old brother chose to be homosexual?? Or perhaps that he wouldn't have "strayed" had he been properly disciplined for acting "fruity?" That's what one ordinarily does for a misbehaving 6-year-old.

22 posted on 07/29/2002 1:08:41 PM PDT by OBAFGKM
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To: uncbob
Amen. Even for a couple mill, there's some things real men just cannot and will not do.
23 posted on 07/29/2002 1:08:55 PM PDT by Polycarp
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To: Polycarp
Homosexuality researchers or homosexual researchers?
24 posted on 07/29/2002 1:09:02 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit
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To: uncbob
"Actor or not there is noway they could get me to play love scenes with a man."

Hmm. Perhaps Rock Hudson was not bothered playing a heterosexual love scene because he was secure in his sexuality.

25 posted on 07/29/2002 1:10:36 PM PDT by OBAFGKM
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To: OBAFGKM; MAWG; JMJ333
See post 20.
26 posted on 07/29/2002 1:10:54 PM PDT by Polycarp
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To: justshutupandtakeit
Good point. The former, not the latter.
27 posted on 07/29/2002 1:11:51 PM PDT by Polycarp
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To: OBAFGKM; MAWG
I never mentioned force. I just mean that as a grown man he is free to choose his behavior. Regardless of preference, morality isn't subjective and truth can be discerned. We all have free will to do as we please.
28 posted on 07/29/2002 1:12:16 PM PDT by JMJ333
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To: Polycarp
"The most repected researchers on this issue believe the homosexual tendency is a delay in normal psychosocial development that occurs before age 6."

Citation, please?

29 posted on 07/29/2002 1:13:54 PM PDT by OBAFGKM
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To: Polycarp
How about $100 million?
30 posted on 07/29/2002 1:14:16 PM PDT by BikerNYC
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To: Polycarp
"In counseling gay men for twenty years, I have not had one yet whom I would say had a normative childhood or normative adolescent development in the sexual arena. More often than not I have found stories of abusive, alcoholic, or absent (physically and emotionally) fathers; stories of incest or first experiences of sex forced upon them by older brothers, neighborhood men, or even friends. I sometimes find these men have been early exposure to pornography….” It is worth repeating: Homosexuals are made, not born.

In _How_to_Really_Love_Your_Child_, Ross Campbell, M.D. tells of a drill-sergeant-type father who raised his 4 sons with Marine-style strict and rigid discipline, zero affection, demanding unquestioned obedience with no questions asked. He planned to make them all Marine-tough he-men.

I don't know whether they ended up gay, but Ross says that all 4 sons turned out "effeminate."

He also mentions a big, friendly, loving pastor who was certainly male, but affectionate and friendly to everyone. His son turned out to be just like him.

Ross adds, "In all my reading and experience, I have never known of one sexually disoriented person who had a warm, loving, and affectionate father."

31 posted on 07/29/2002 1:14:39 PM PDT by john in missouri
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To: toupsie
There is some sort of genetic compenent to being gay. That gay lisp is something that a straight man could never recreate.

Not necesarilly. It appears that high levels of some sex hormones in the mother can lead to the effects you mention.

I can't source it, but I recall reading that high levels of male sex hormone in the weeks before birth can lead to your basic butchy lesbian. Some other chemicals can lead to the effiminate male.

Again, not a genetic disorder, but more like a birth defect.

32 posted on 07/29/2002 1:15:02 PM PDT by TC Rider
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To: Polycarp
Homsexuality can be due to genetics, environment or a combination of both.

The fact that there is a biological determinant in homosexuality has been demonstrated by studies on the brain functions of homosexual versus non-homsexual males.

The fact that homosexuality becomes so prevalent in certain societies, i.e. among the Romans of the late Republic and the Early Empire, some of the Ancient Greeks and the Ottoman Turks, and the fact that their recent descendants did not express this trait, indicates that widespread homosexual practises have a behavioral and societal component, as well as a biological one.

If we allow homosexual behavior to be accepted as merely one more alternative and accepted lifestyle, we are running the risk of having modern America degenerate into a sexual equivalent of Ancient Rome, Ancient Greece, or the Turkish Empire. Not very savory models to emulate.

33 posted on 07/29/2002 1:15:31 PM PDT by ZULU
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To: Polycarp; *Homosexual Agenda
Index Bump
34 posted on 07/29/2002 1:15:58 PM PDT by Free the USA
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To: JMJ333
morality isn't subjective

It isn't? The only thing that matters is action? What people see you doing? Internal reflection, motivation and thought play no role in morality? I disagree -- A portion of morality is the subjective workings of the mind.

For example, to tell the truth to someone with the sole intent to cause emotional harm to that person is acting immorally. Subjective intent matters.
35 posted on 07/29/2002 1:18:19 PM PDT by BikerNYC
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To: MAWG
Howdy

Respectfully, save the anecdotes for Oprah. We are speaking of the scientific basis for the argument that homosexuality has organic origins, or the lack thereof, as there is no science worthy of the name to support this conclusion.

36 posted on 07/29/2002 1:22:09 PM PDT by MoscowMike
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To: Polycarp; All
I am seriously conflicted on this issue. I once worked with a number of gay guys. A few you would probably never have guessed based on their mannerisms, some might make you wonder and others were positively flaming. There are also many gay men who are very macho.

Something tells me that there is no ONE cause/reason for homosexual behavior.
37 posted on 07/29/2002 1:22:24 PM PDT by scholar
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To: Polycarp
If not preference, then how does one explain other sexual deviancies such as beastiality or pedophelia? The same abnormal psychosocial development? I think in a lot of cases that these deviancies are indulged with full consent of the will and see nothing wrong with the behavior.
38 posted on 07/29/2002 1:26:06 PM PDT by JMJ333
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To: MoscowMike
Hey Moscow, respectfully, bite me on the crank. We are talking about the supposed origins of homosexuality and fee will. Having been raised in a family rife with homosexuals, I do believe I have an insight that is important to the argument.
39 posted on 07/29/2002 1:26:47 PM PDT by MAWG
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To: MAWG
fee = free.
40 posted on 07/29/2002 1:28:41 PM PDT by MAWG
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To: toupsie
Howdy

I think we agree more than we disagree, I could care less about someone's sexuality. None of my business unless it is forced unwanted into public politics.

I decry the abuse of science to serve political agendas, from "climate change" to "genetic predisposition to homosexuality".

It is a crying shame, people used to be able to believe what scientists said, but not since the boomers came along.

The whole stupid notion that homosexuality is an irreversible genetically determined characteristic comes from the militant leftist deviant rights industry, if it is a permanent physical condition, then, the argument is, we must reshape society and redefine the deviant as normal.

Power politics corrupting the scientific method, pure and simple.

41 posted on 07/29/2002 1:29:45 PM PDT by MoscowMike
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To: Polycarp
I believe there might be a small percentage of people who are "born" homosexual due to problems with the X and Y chromosomes or having an XXY pattern. Also due to lack of proper hormonal developments in the womb. That is, caused by genetic disorders with the symptom of same-sex-attraction.
I also believe that there is a percentage of homosexuals who "imprinted" their condition early in life, before age five, who would be difficult if not impossible subjects for converting to normalcy.
But I believe there's an even larger number of "made" homosexuals by abuse, those that could be living ordinary happy lives if it wasn't for all the "gay pride" and "gay is okay" even "preferable" propaganda because all of a sudden you're in a protected and vaunted minority and that makes you a better person. But it certainly won't make you happier.
42 posted on 07/29/2002 1:32:34 PM PDT by stands2reason
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To: MAWG
Howdy

Eeeeew!

I have no opinion about your family or your anecdotal experience and the conclusions you draw form your personal experience.

I am simply saying, there is no scientific basis for the conclusion that homosexuality is of organic origin.

Any assertion to the contrary is false, that's all I am saying.

43 posted on 07/29/2002 1:33:30 PM PDT by MoscowMike
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To: stands2reason
Post 42

About what I think at this point in time
44 posted on 07/29/2002 1:39:20 PM PDT by uncbob
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To: Polycarp
bump
45 posted on 07/29/2002 1:44:14 PM PDT by VOA
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To: toupsie; Polycarp
just as vile, evil and disgusting as your worst homosexual fears.

But no one here is justifying heterosexual perverts. It seems that the media, the PC crowd and liberals in general have justified the perverted sex lives of homosexuals and wants my grandchildren to buy their lie.(bought and paid for by gubment funds)

BTW, a lot of perverted crap happens in bedrooms...much of it coerced! No matter how you look at it, homosexual acts are unnatural. And those young people who are introduced to this perverted lifestyle are being psychologically and physically destroyed in the bedrooms you imply I should keep my nose out of.

46 posted on 07/29/2002 1:47:15 PM PDT by ThomasMore
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To: MoscowMike
"I am simply saying, there is no scientific basis for the conclusion that homosexuality is of organic origin."

I would have to disagree. Statistically significant differences in brain function between heterosexuals and homosexuals have been documented in peer-reviewed literature. Animal studies have shown that sexual behavior can be drastically affected by prenatal hormone exposure. Even anecdotal evidence such as MAWG's can can be "scientific" evidence if it is documented to be statistically significant, which some twin and sibling studies apparently have.

Now, that does not go to say that a person having some particular "organic" element is certainly homosexual. But it does suggest that there is more to it than simply "free choice."

47 posted on 07/29/2002 1:48:07 PM PDT by OBAFGKM
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To: toupsie
are you sure? lisping is a learned behavior like ballroom dancing. But it is not shared by all gay men, nor is the love of theater, Judy Garland records or an affinity for interior decoration. These trademarks are consciously or unconsciously acquired by some much like bikers will sport similar tattos. And many gay men do not have any of these affectations like john wayne and rock hudson.
48 posted on 07/29/2002 1:51:07 PM PDT by ffusco
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To: ffusco
are you sure? lisping is a learned behavior like ballroom dancing.

That was supposed to be a joke and not to be taken as a legitimate feature of being a homosexual.

49 posted on 07/29/2002 1:52:47 PM PDT by toupsie
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To: madg
If the question is: “What ‘causes’ homosexuality?”… then the ONE and ONLY truthful answer is: NOBODY KNOWS. “Gay activists” don’t know, NARTH doesn’t know, and you can be quite certain that “Lying Louie” Sheldon doesn’t know. The totality of the available evidence has led to the following scientific consensus: “Sexual orientation is most likely determined by an as-yet-undetermined combination of biological and environmental factors.” And until there is a LOT more research… ummm, make that UNBIASED research (sorry NARTH)… that’s as good an answer as we’re going to have.

Do we know what causes lying?...promiscuity?...addiction?...selfishness? or positives like diligence?...honesty?...monogomy?... on and on and on we could go. All behavior is a combination of genetics, environment and choice. That is no excuse, however. When you steal, you still go to jail. When you lie and cheat, you still have no friends. And when you are sexually promiscuous or risky, you still reap the unhealthy rewards. Sadly, so does society as a whole when the behavior is normalized and accepted.

50 posted on 07/29/2002 1:54:28 PM PDT by RAT Patrol
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