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Evidence for Major Impact Events in the late Third Millennium BC
Evidence of Astronomical Aspects of Mankind's Past and Recent Climate Homepage ^ | FR Post 9-4-2 | Timo Niroma

Posted on 09/04/2002 4:48:54 PM PDT by vannrox

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To: Smokin' Joe; vannrox
"I do not have much of my library handy, so I'll ask if there are Western Hemisphere cataclysms in the same general time frame. Impacts or extreme volcanism should have some global effect, unlike my old Lincoln...."

Check out this link.

Going Into The Water: A Survey Of Impact Events And The Coastal Peoples Of The South-East North America, The Caribbean, and Central America

51 posted on 09/05/2002 5:47:48 AM PDT by blam
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To: vannrox; blam; RightWhale
I think Clube & Napier have a new book due next year:

Catastrophes and Comets: The Destroyers of Cosmic Faith (World Scientific Series in Astronomy and Astrophysics , Vol 3)

Its publishing has been delayed a couple of times now....
52 posted on 09/05/2002 5:48:31 AM PDT by NukeMan
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To: Smokin' Joe; vannrox
Did Asteroids & Comets Turn The Tides Of Civilization?
53 posted on 09/05/2002 5:51:35 AM PDT by blam
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To: NukeMan
"I think Clube & Napier have a new book due next year:"

Clube & Napier's 1991 book, Cosmic Winter is still a good read.

54 posted on 09/05/2002 5:58:20 AM PDT by blam
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To: Little Bill
"Kinda brings us up to the End of the Little Ice Age."

Yup. (Little Ice Age, 1300-1855). The potato was imported to Europe from the Americas. Note the effect on the Irish of the 1850's potato blight in Ireland, 1.5 million starved and about the same number survived by immigrating to America.

55 posted on 09/05/2002 6:03:45 AM PDT by blam
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To: Little Bill
"Kinda brings us up to the End of the Little Ice Age."

The September front page article of Discover magazine explains how we could slip into another Little Ice Age as soon as two years from now.

56 posted on 09/05/2002 6:07:36 AM PDT by blam
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To: Little Bill
One of the reasons that the population of Europe was hit so hard by the Black Plague was that is was not healthy, there was a shortage of most of the above. Then after the plague hit the Little Ice age set in which reduced the area under cultivation, took centuries to recover.

The plague first hit Europe in 1348, and returned every few decades for several hundred years. In that time, the Renaissance began in Northern Italy and spread to France and the low countries. If that isn't recovering, I don't know what is. Hell, the Decameron perhaps the most important work of fiction since the fall of the Western Empire, was written by Boccacio in the countryside around Florence, as the plague decimated its inhabitants. The Plague saved Europe, by concentrating its weakth and by upsetting its parasitic social fabric.

57 posted on 09/05/2002 6:29:42 AM PDT by andy_card
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To: Smokin' Joe
Hey! The Yellowstone caldera magma pool is getting its bulge back, who knows? That one made St Helens look like a very small firecracker...

In only 150,000 years or so, we may have a good-sized problem on our hands. Uh oh...

58 posted on 09/05/2002 6:31:26 AM PDT by andy_card
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To: NukeMan
For thousands of years people have spread out all over the globe then we have a worldwide catastrophic event (see tree rings), people from everywhere are exiled all over the earth and all connections are lost and forgotten.
Then a few hundred or a thousand years later when humanity recovers from the disaster, a new wave of explorers begins again and rediscovers these exiled people. (Who by then have no idea where they came from)

The one thing that all explorers 'find' during their explorations, every where they go, every time, are, more people. (Many of them with similar customs, legends and myths.)

59 posted on 09/05/2002 6:31:42 AM PDT by blam
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To: medved
You might want to check this thread, and see if it looks like I'm the "last Velikovskian" on FR, much less in the world...

Most people believe that catastrophes have often been significant in forming and destroying civilizations, and have been to blame for several mass extinctions. That's not quite the same thing as saying that catastrophes are the central means by which all change occurs, or that the Earth once orbited Saturn.

60 posted on 09/05/2002 6:36:31 AM PDT by andy_card
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To: andy_card
Do you have some sort of a special license to pontificate on topics on which you're obviously totally ignorant?
61 posted on 09/05/2002 7:12:42 AM PDT by medved
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To: medved
Do you have some sort of a special license to pontificate on topics on which you're obviously totally ignorant?

If I were you, I wouldn't go around calling others "obviosly totally ignorant." The irony is simply overwhelming.

62 posted on 09/05/2002 7:14:26 AM PDT by andy_card
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To: andy_card
For any interested, catastrophism is a sort of a hobby of mine and a topic on which I have a certain amount of expertise. To Andy Card, Catastrophism appears to be merely one of many topics on which to be blissfully ignorant.
63 posted on 09/05/2002 7:25:07 AM PDT by medved
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To: andy_card
Whattsa matter, Card? Nothing to say? All that bliss getting to you all of a sudden???
64 posted on 09/05/2002 7:37:39 AM PDT by medved
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To: medved
To Andy Card, Catastrophism appears to be merely one of many topics on which to be blissfully ignorant.

Ted, in all your years (decades?) of ceaseless ranting, what have you accomplished? How many folks have flocked to your cause? As far as I know, you haven't persuaded anybody that the Earth once orbited Saturn. I hate to resort to an argument ad popularity contest, but maybe their's a reason you're universally scorned. Hell, the Flat Earth society has more adherents.

65 posted on 09/05/2002 7:49:01 AM PDT by andy_card
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To: medved
Whattsa matter, Card? Nothing to say? All that bliss getting to you all of a sudden???

Ted, get a life.

66 posted on 09/05/2002 7:49:46 AM PDT by andy_card
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To: andy_card
but maybe their's a reason

I need another cup of coffee. Spelng is not my four tay.

67 posted on 09/05/2002 8:01:01 AM PDT by andy_card
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To: andy_card
I'm only "universally scorned" amongst jackasses, and guess what? I don't even LIKE jackasses, much less care what they think.
68 posted on 09/05/2002 9:51:14 AM PDT by medved
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To: medved
I'm only "universally scorned" amongst jackasses, and guess what? I don't even LIKE jackasses, much less care what they think.

Let me rephrase what I said. You're not scorned. If anything, you're pitied. Its your ideas that are scorned. And your definition of "jackass" must be pretty broad, because I have failed to find anybody living, other than yourself, who echoes your views, let alone any qualified scientific professionals. Even so-called creation "scientists" [sic] discount your absurd notions. If that isn't telling, I don't know what is.

And if you really think that only jackasses disbelieve your thesis that the world once revolved around Saturn, you have a dim view of humanity indeed.

69 posted on 09/05/2002 11:10:53 AM PDT by andy_card
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To: medved; vannrox
...and see if it looks like I'm the "last Velikovskian" on FR, much less in the world...

Emmanuel, came to mind immediatley for me. Did you ever read the Pensee articles in the 80s discussing how aspects of his theories were being proved correct. I had posted comments relating to the book Velikivsky, Reconsidered put out by Pensee on the site in years past. It was great reading in the 60s and 70s and then fun to see how much actual space exploration was showing that his outright dismissal by mainstream science was, perhaps, a little overwrought.

70 posted on 09/05/2002 11:26:08 AM PDT by KC Burke
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To: andy_card
...oh, by the way, I am familiar with Ellenberger's great contibutions to the study of E. V.'s theories, but I still consider the field a great study of science as a battlefield of ideas. It is one thing to come fresh to the whole thing now, quite another to have stumbled across this stuff in the 60s and watched (as just an unschooled, but broadly read reader) the battle playout over the ensuing decades. It is much more fun than the corresponding reading watching Theologens argue and debate.

I care little for one side winning complete victory as I often say: "My dog ain't in that fight!"

71 posted on 09/05/2002 11:55:21 AM PDT by KC Burke
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To: KC Burke
I care little for one side winning complete victory as I often say: "My dog ain't in that fight!"

But one side has won complete victory. That's why its bizarre that Ted continues to expound long-discredited theology based solely upon the literal interpretation of fictional works of literature.

72 posted on 09/05/2002 12:11:04 PM PDT by andy_card
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To: Little Bill
The author made a good case that the better diet and the clearing of forest land for agriculture which may be seen as signs of progress actually contributed to the spread of the plague. I don't know if the same is true of small pox.

Listened to an author of a book on small pox in the US and seemed to spread as different people came into contact with each other. The English or the French gave it to the Indians. It spread across the plains and some plains Indians gave it to the Spanish in New Mexico when they took other Indians there to sell them as slaves. Another aside: Geo Washington had the Americans innoculated against small pox after some British prisoners came up with it. Maybe the most significant strategic move of the war, at least right up there with the French Navy blocking the harbbor at Yorktown.

73 posted on 09/05/2002 12:48:31 PM PDT by breakem
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To: Carry_Okie; blam; vannrox
Many thanks for the interesting sites.
74 posted on 09/05/2002 12:53:38 PM PDT by B4Ranch
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To: andy_card
I'm only "universally scorned" amongst jackasses...

Let me rephrase what I said. You're not scorned. If anything, you're pitied....

I'm only "pitied" by jackasses...

75 posted on 09/05/2002 12:56:05 PM PDT by medved
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To: KC Burke

Catastrophism

Big Bang, Electric Sun, Plasma Physics and Cosmology Etc.

Finding Cities in all the Wrong Places

Given standard theories wrt the history of our solar system and our own planet, nobody should be finding cities and villages on Mars, 2100 feet beneath the waves off Cuba, or buried under two miles of Antarctic ice.


76 posted on 09/05/2002 12:58:10 PM PDT by medved
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To: medved
I'm only "pitied" by jackasses...

You're not calling me a jackass are you?

77 posted on 09/05/2002 1:22:21 PM PDT by andy_card
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To: andy_card
He's more to be pittied than censured.
He's more to be loved than dispised.
He was only a laddie who went on
Catastrophism's path, ill-advised.
Do not scorn him with words fierce and bitter.
Do not laugh at his shame and downfall.
For a moment just stop and consider.
Velikovsky's the cause of it all.
78 posted on 09/05/2002 2:08:55 PM PDT by Gumlegs
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79 posted on 09/05/2002 3:09:54 PM PDT by medved
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To: medved
With debating skills like that, who needs arguments?
80 posted on 09/05/2002 9:03:43 PM PDT by andy_card
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To: Gumlegs
Your eloquence is reminiscent of the great verse of John Greenleaf Whittier, author of such memorable favorites as "The Barefoot Boy" and "The Eternal Goodness."


81 posted on 09/05/2002 9:16:39 PM PDT by andy_card
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To: andy_card
Don't panic.
82 posted on 09/06/2002 7:18:51 AM PDT by Gumlegs
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84 posted on 09/27/2005 9:28:12 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated by FR profile on Sunday, August 14, 2005.)
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85 posted on 09/27/2005 9:34:31 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated by FR profile on Sunday, August 14, 2005.)
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86 posted on 12/20/2005 12:12:08 PM PST by SunkenCiv ("In silence, and at night, the Conscience feels that life should soar to nobler ends than Power.")
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VERY interesting!


87 posted on 12/20/2005 12:15:10 PM PST by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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To: Interesting Times
Apparently, figuring out how to fend off large rocks is a prerequisite for a species to expand beyond its planet of origin...

Or advancing quickly enough to have spread beyond just one planet when the large rocks come next time.

88 posted on 12/20/2005 12:25:09 PM PST by ASA Vet (Those who know don't talk, those who talk don't know.)
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Thanks for the ping.

The destruction of the Old Kingdom was followed by a period of a violent economic and social upheaval.

From Admonitions of Ipuwer.


89 posted on 12/20/2005 3:18:05 PM PST by Fred Nerks (Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD free pdf download - link on My Page)
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To: vannrox
Bump. I came across Timo Niroma's articles while researching on another thread, and saw he had previously been quoted on FR. His current research indicates that we may be at the beginning of a cooling cycle.
90 posted on 06/03/2009 5:24:24 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money -- Thatcher)
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