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1 posted on 09/04/2002 4:48:55 PM PDT by vannrox
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To: vannrox
It seems that every time there is a change in the direction of civilizations there has benn a change in the weather. (3200, 2200, 1200, (all B.C.), 200 A.D.) The times are general but the pattern exists.
2 posted on 09/04/2002 4:57:56 PM PDT by Little Bill
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To: vannrox; blam
dendrochronology bump
3 posted on 09/04/2002 5:04:21 PM PDT by RightWhale
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To: vannrox
i love this stuff too BUMP
4 posted on 09/04/2002 5:14:24 PM PDT by Mr. K
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To: vannrox; RightWhale
"I love this stuff."

"dendrochronology bump"

Hey guys, you're preaching to the choir. Okay here goes.

The tree rings have recorded major worldwide affecting events at the following times: 3195BC, 2354BC, 1628BC, 1159BC and 540AD. There were also two smaller events at 207BC and 44BC. (Many, Clube, Napier, Bailey, Baillie believe the 540AD event (Start of Dark Ages) was caused by a comet fragment or comet swarm.)

6 posted on 09/04/2002 5:27:19 PM PDT by blam
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To: vannrox
Check this out
8 posted on 09/04/2002 5:38:11 PM PDT by blam
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To: vannrox
My theory suggests that the southern part of the Dead Sea is a meteorite crater that catalysmically was born around 2200 BC.

Great post - I love this stuff too and I agree with Blam re: 540 AD too many weird things went on then.

10 posted on 09/04/2002 6:59:44 PM PDT by Mike Darancette
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To: vannrox
An overview of my own vision of prehistory and catastrophism.

Other than that, there are compelling reasons for a major shortening of med basin prehistory and chronology. In fact, there is compelling reason to believe that there simply is no real med basin history going back more than about 3000 years, and that everything we thought we had for the second and third millenia BC turns out to be the kind of ghost and double images which Velikovsky described in Ages in Chaos. The most compelling and readable works along these lines which I am aware of are Emmet Sweeneys "The Pyramid Age", and "Genesis of Israel and Egypt". Those two items are must reads for anybody interested in this stuff.

16 posted on 09/04/2002 8:40:46 PM PDT by medved
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To: vannrox
Apparently, figuring out how to fend off large rocks is a prerequisite for a species to expand beyond its planet of origin...
23 posted on 09/04/2002 9:11:05 PM PDT by Interesting Times
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To: vannrox
read later
25 posted on 09/04/2002 9:31:09 PM PDT by LiteKeeper
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To: vannrox
bump to read tomorrow
27 posted on 09/04/2002 9:37:42 PM PDT by Beach_Babe
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To: vannrox
bump for reading tomorrow
35 posted on 09/04/2002 10:34:32 PM PDT by NorseWood
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To: vannrox; blam; liberallarry; *Gods, Graves, Glyphs

Many thanks. It's pretty nifty schtuffe all righty.

The question is, is there anything we can do about it? The pattern says we had better get cracking.
36 posted on 09/04/2002 10:45:04 PM PDT by Carry_Okie
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To: B4Ranch
YFI :-)
38 posted on 09/04/2002 11:26:05 PM PDT by Carry_Okie
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To: vannrox
I love this stuff.

Me, too.

43 posted on 09/05/2002 1:17:50 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: vannrox
I love this stuff, too!

I do not have much of my library handy, so I'll ask if there are Western Hemisphere cataclysms in the same general time frame. Impacts or extreme volcanism should have some global effect, unlike my old Lincoln....

As a result, cataclysm on a grand scale should impact civilizations worldwide. When did the Anasazi check out? What was going on in MesoAmerica at the time? You may find supporting evidence there.

44 posted on 09/05/2002 1:35:21 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe
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Society for Interdisciplinary Studies


SIS Conference 2002
Ages Still in Chaos
An investigation into progress made in the revision of ancient history since 1952, and possible ways ahead

13 - 15 September 2002, London


The conference marks the Golden Jubilee of the publication in 1952 of Ages in Chaos by Dr Immanuel Velikovsky and acknowledges the Golden Jubilee of the publication in the same year of Professor W F Libby's work on radiocarbon dating.

It will bring together both academics and laymen who have contributed to, or have an interest in, the controversy resulting from Velikovsky's claim that the chronology of the ancient world is hundreds of years shorter than hitherto thought. Also attending will be those who, while agreeing that a shortening of chronology is necessary, consider that the one proposed by Velikovsky is untenable in one respect or another.

Velikovsky was the first person in recent times to suggest that the dates ascribed to Egyptian New Kingdom dynasties were incorrect and that they should be dated centuries later. Once this is done new and intriguing connections can be made between the Old Testament record and Egyptian history and another advantage of this down-dating is to remove enigmatic dark ages from many of the cultures that were in contact with Egypt. Although his revision of chronology has not been generally accepted, this approach has been very productive and stimulating for other researchers and some have subsequently gone on to propose alternative lowered chronologies.

Papers and Contributors

Saturday 14th September 2002
  • Introduction, Prof. Trevor Palmer
  • Scientific Dating Problems, David Salkeld
  • Evidence for Shortening Egyptian History, Bob Porter
  • The Historical Evidence in the el-Amarna Letters, J Eric Aitchison
  • Testing Time, David Rohl
  • The Lion Gate at Mycenae, plus Ramesses II and Archaic Greek Sculpture, Prof. Lewis M Greenberg
  • Scientific Foundations of Ancient Near Eastern Chronologies, Charles Ginenthal

Sunday 15th September 2002

  • Finding The Limits of Chronological Revision, Dr John J Bimson
  • Stratigraphy and Radically Shortened Chronologies, Prof. Gunnar Heinsohn
  • Velikovsky, Glasgow and Heinsohn Combined, Emmet Sweeney
  • AD Ages in Chaos: A Russian Point of View, Dr Eugen Gabowitsch
  • Implications for Chronology if Certain 'Historical' Characters are Mythological, Ev Cochrane

After each speaker, time will be allocated for discussion.
Information about each contributor can be found below.


  • The conference is open to non-members of the SIS on a daily basis and costs given below include attendance morning and afternoon refreshments plus lunch. The latest booking date for non-members is 31st July.

  • SIS Members may attend on a daily, or residential basis at reduced costs and 31st August is the deadline for receipt of payment for day attendance only bookings. For bookings requiring accommodation, 31st July is the deadline for receipt of payment.

    Details on joining the SIS can be found here.


  • Payment in Sterling should be drawn on a bank in the UK
  • Payment in Dollars should be drawn on a bank in the USA.

Day's Attendance Sterling Dollar
Saturday or Sunday £51.00 $78.00
Both Saturday and Sunday £90.00 $137.00


To book for either or both days, send your remittance to the address below. If booking for one day only please be sure to state which day you want to attend. Bookings in writing only please, to:
SIS Conference 2002
10 Witley Green
Darley Heights
Beds LU2 8TR

About the Contributors

  • J Eric Aitchison is a long-standing Australian member and contributor to the SIS. His interest in Velikovsky began in 1967. He is now working on his theory that the Habiru were the Assyrians under Tiglath Pileser III and Sargon II.
  • Dr John J Bimson has been a member of and contributor to SIS since its earliest days. He is the author of Redating the Exodus and Conquest, based on his PhD research into the archaeological setting of the Israelite entry into Canaan.
  • Ev Cochrane, an American teacher of cultural anthropology, is the author of Martian Metamorphoses: The Planet Mars in Ancient Myth and Religion and The Many Faces of Venus and has published many articles on mythology and archaeoastronomy.
  • Dr Eugen Gabowitsch works at a nuclear research centre and is a leading proponent in Germany of revised AD chronology.
  • Charles Ginenthal is the author of Carl Sagan and Immanuel Velikovsky, Stephen Jay Gould and Immanuel Velikovsky and The Extinction of the Mammoth and has contributed articles to Aeon. He is Editor-in-Chief of The Velikovskian and is currently working on the scientific basis of chronology.
  • Prof. Lewis M Greenberg is Professor of Ancient and Oriental Art history at the Moore College of Art & Design in Philadelphia. He was Associated Editor of the journal Pensee, and Editor-in-Chief of Kronos for 12 years; he contributed material to both publications as well as to Science, Astronomy, Biblical Archaeology Review, SIS Review and Kronos.
  • Prof. Gunnar Heinsohn's publication list exceeds more than 400 titles, including contributions to SIS and the special SIS edition, Ghost Empires of the Past -- Did the Sumerians ever really Exist? Since 1984 he has been a tenured Professor at the Universität Bremen where he is now director of the Raphael-Lemkin-Institut für Xenophobie und Genozidforschung.
  • Prof. Trevor Palmer is Professor of Life Sciences and Senior Dean at the Nottingham Trent University. He is the author of Controversy: Catastrophism and Evolution - The Ongoing Debate and numerous articles in SIS publications on evolution and catastrophism. He has been a member of SIS Council since 1986 and is currently ex-officio Chairman.
  • Bob Porter has an M.Sc. in engineering, was for some time a member of the SIS editorial team, and presently contributes a regular feature on "Recent Developments in Near Eastern Archaeology" to C&C Review.
  • David Rohl is the author of A Test of Time and Legend and is the Chairman of the Institute for the Study of Interdisciplinary Sciences, and Archaeology Correspondent for The Express newspaper. His initial work on a revision of chronology, co-authored with Peter James, first appeared in SIS publications.
  • David Salkeld holds a B.Sc. in physics from Bristol University. Following a full career as an electrical engineering officer in the Royal Air Force, he spent 13 years as a systems engineer with British Aerospace. He is a former Treasurer and Chairman of the SIS and keen researcher into biblical history.
  • Emmet Sweeney has an M.A. in Early Modern History and teaches in London. He is a member of the SIS council and is the author of several books on chronological revisions, including The Genesis of Israel and Egypt, The Pyramid Age, The Neo-Assyrians and Persians, Ramessides, Medes and Persians and The Lost History of Ireland. His latest book is Arthur and Stonehenge (Britain's Lost History).

See also

46 posted on 09/05/2002 2:53:05 AM PDT by medved
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To: vannrox; blam; RightWhale
I think Clube & Napier have a new book due next year:

Catastrophes and Comets: The Destroyers of Cosmic Faith (World Scientific Series in Astronomy and Astrophysics , Vol 3)

Its publishing has been delayed a couple of times now....
52 posted on 09/05/2002 5:48:31 AM PDT by NukeMan
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To: vannrox
Not a ping, just a GGG update.
Please FREEPMAIL me if you want on, off, or alter the "Gods, Graves, Glyphs" PING list --
Archaeology/Anthropology/Ancient Cultures/Artifacts/Antiquities, etc.
The GGG Digest
-- Gods, Graves, Glyphs (alpha order)

83 posted on 01/10/2005 11:45:04 AM PST by SunkenCiv (the US population in the year 2100 will exceed a billion, perhaps even three billion.)
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86 posted on 12/20/2005 12:12:08 PM PST by SunkenCiv ("In silence, and at night, the Conscience feels that life should soar to nobler ends than Power.")
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To: vannrox
Bump. I came across Timo Niroma's articles while researching on another thread, and saw he had previously been quoted on FR. His current research indicates that we may be at the beginning of a cooling cycle.
90 posted on 06/03/2009 5:24:24 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money -- Thatcher)
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