"Like a Duck in a Noose"

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[Julliardsux]

Let's figure out this Duck in a Noose thing

[Julliardsux]

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The Rabit, the Otter, and Duck Hunting.

As told by The Warrior based on James Mooney

The Rabbit was known far and wide for his boastful nature. To hear him tell it, he could do what anyone else could do. He was so good at this that he even was able to convince the Otter that he could catch and eat fish just as
good as him.

Now time went by, and the Otter meet the Rabbit again. Now it just so happen that the Otter was still a bit miffed about the fish. He had a plan to expose the Rabbit. The Otter looked at the Rabbit, and said to him. "You know, I sometimes eat Duck too!" So off to the river they went and
found seven ducks, which they every so quietly were able to sneak up on. "You go first", cried the Rabbit, to which the Otter quickly slid into the water. He quickly was able to drag a duck under and return to the Rabbit unseen.

Now the Rabbit had not just been standing around watching. While the Otter was otherwise occupied, he had been striping bark from near by sapling and making himself a noose. He looked at the Otter when he returned and said,
"OK, that is great, watch me!", and off he took into the water. Now the Rabbit did not have anywhere near the ability in water that the Otter had. And it was a struggle for him to reach the ducks un-noticed, but he managed
to do so and came up among the remaining six ducks. He quickly fastened his noose around the neck of the closest duck. Startled, the duck began to struggle to get away and finally took of on his wings and dragged the Rabbit out of the water after him. Now it was the Rabbits turn to be startled. And boy was he. He held on to the noose and was taken high into the air. Higher and higher he went. All of a sudden, he lost his grip on the noose and down he fell into the middle of a old hollow Sycamore tree with out a
hole in the bottom to get out.

Now the Rabbit was in a fix. He stayed in there so long that he had to start eating his own fur, as rabbits still do to this day when the are starved. Then one day, he heard some children playing and he began to sing in a weak little voice. The song he sang went like this. "Cut a hole and see me, I am the prettiest thing you ever did see"

Soon the children had returned with on of the fathers who cut a who so that the Rabbit could get out. He told them to stand back and see, and out he ran and took his leave.

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[CharlotteVRWC]

I HOPE IT ISN'T AL QUEDA CODE WORD'S FOR MORE ATTACKS.

[LurkerNoMore!]

Oh, man. Is this up your alley, or what?

[Julliardsux]

That was my first thought as well, friend.

[stuck_in_new_orleans]

Try to figure it out? The sick bastard is shooting people for the fun of it...hes a nut case

[Senator Pardek]

[WxMan2000]

My wife and I said the same thing..at the same time..

Hang on..the ride gets wilder and wilder...

[Grani]

Sorry, can't help, I don't speak Ebonics.

[Sir Gawain]

[RummyChick]

Wow, I had never heard thisphrase before...this story makes more sense than the drivel they are spouting on CNN.

[Julliardsux]

This was at www.ilhawaii.net/~stony/1097lore.html

The Rabbit Goes Duck Hunting

The Rabbit was so boastful that he would claim to do what- ever he saw anyone else do, and so tricky that he could usually make the other animals believe it all. Once he pretended that he could swim in the water and eat fish just as the Otter did, and when the others told him to prove it he fixed up a plan so that the Otter himself was deceived.

Soon afterward they met again and the Otter said, "I eat ducks sometimes." Said the Rabbit, "Well, I eat ducks too." The Otter challenged him to try it; so they went up along the river until they saw several ducks in the water and managed to get near without being seen. The Rabbit told the Otter to go first. The Otter never hesitated, but dived from the bank and swam under water until he reached the ducks, when he pulled one down without being noticed by the others, and came back in the same way.

While the Otter had been under the water the Rabbit had peeled some bark from a sapling and made himself a noose. "Now," he said, "Just watch me;" and he dived in and swam a little way under the water until he was nearly choking and had to come up to the top to breathe. He went under again and came up again a little nearer to the ducks. He took another breath and dived under, and this time he came up among the ducks and threw the noose over the head of one and caught it. The duck struggled hard and finally spread its wings and flew up from the water with the Rabbit hanging on to the noose.

It flew on and on until at last the Rabbit could not hold on any longer, but had to let go and drop. As it happened, he fell into a tall, hollow sycamore stump without any hole at the bottom to get out from and there he stayed until he was so hungry that he had to eat his own fur, as the rabbit does ever since when he is starving. After several days, when he was very weak with hunger, he heard children playing outside around the trees. He began to sing:

Cut a door and look at me;
I'm the prettiest thing you ever did see.

The children ran home and told their father, who came and began to cut a hole in the tree. As he chopped away the Rabbit inside kept singing, "Cut it larger, so you can see me better; I"m so pretty." They made the hole larger, and then the Rabbit told them to stand back so that they could take a good look as he came out. They stood away back, and the Rabbit watched his chance and jumped out and got away.

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As always, I ask everyone to make prayers for World Peace and Kindness for all Living things on our Mother, The Earth. I ask all Pipe Carriers to make smoke with me in prayer also for Leonard Pletier and others like him who have been imprisoned unjustly. And here is the story of how I got my Pipe

News about Leonard Peltier case and to view his art work....click here for details!!!

Monthly Lore For 1997

December ++ The Deluge (Cherokee)
November ++ How The Rabbit Stole The Otter's Coat (Cherokee)
October ++ The Rabbit Goes Duck Hunting (Cherokee)
September ++ What The Stars Are Like (Cherokee)
August ++ The Moon And The Thunders (Cherokee)
July ++ The Journey To The Sunrise (Cherokee)
June ++ How They Brought Back The Tobacco + a second version (Cherokee)
May ++ The Origin Of The Pleiades And The Pine (Cherokee)
April ++ A NEW BOW FOR TANI (Cherokee)
March ++ ATAGAHI-THE SECRET LAKE (Cherokee)
Febuary ++ Kanati the Hunter and the Cave of Animals (Cherokee)
January ++ BEAR'S RACE WITH TURTLE (Seneca)

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[martin_fierro]

"AFLAC!"

[jwfiv]

Thinking the same thing, and after reading the little fable above (ain't some Freepers just flippin' amazing?), I'm still thinking that same thing.

Also thinking that's a little bit of bragging, too...he's awfully proud of himself.

[buffyt]

WHAT?????
I read it three times and I don't get it. Oh well, it is late....

[garbanzo]

Same thought here...I do hope everyone in law enforcement handling this case knows what they're doing.

[Julliardsux]

I don't get it, either, but obviously it is extremely important to the snoop snippity sniper

[stuck_in_new_orleans]

this story makes more sense than the drivel they are spouting on CNN.

Hey, its a lot better that FOX, Van G is the WORST! id rather listen to a hundred fingernails being scratched over a chalkboard that listen to her and her stop---pause---mutter--stop---pause---say something idiotic---stop---pause dribble that spews out of her ugly face.

Also, Moose was talking to the sniper again. I wouldnt be suprised if he pops some poor soul off tomorrow morning just to throw into the confusion

[cyberaxe]

.....i jes wish.....

.....sumbody would cook dis sniper's duck.....

.....(i gotta idea what to do to the duck).....

[CheneyChick]

Fig. 149q - A Man Throwing a Duck Noose

Arctic String Figure Project

[Julliardsux]

Check this out

The following site contains the words sniper, duck and noose: (I cannot remember how to post link)

http://www.guardroom.com/archives/2002_10.html

[AntiGuv]

I HOPE IT ISN'T AL QUEDA CODE WORD'S FOR MORE ATTACKS.

Probably no worries there. This looks more and more like a random psycho nut, but who really knows? Guess we'll find out soon enough. Whatever the case, I'd bet good money this isn't an Al Qaeda code word for anything...

[cyberaxe]

.....like this .....

[CharlotteVRWC]

I hope not either,,,,,but with the name 'Mohammed' involved,
you never know...

[sbelew]

"This looks more and more like a random psycho nut, but who really knows?"

What channel are YOU watching? :)

[GOPJ]

Is Leonard Peltier the nutcase who killed an FBI agent?

[AntiGuv]

Nation of Islam has millions of adherents. I would guess almost none, if any of those are Al Qaeda...

[Aquamarine]

Soon the children had returned with on of the fathers who cut a who so that the Rabbit could get out. He told them to stand back and see, and out he ran and took his leave.

He's trying to get away...escape. He's telling someone to come get him.

[BillyJack]

"WHAT?????
I read it three times and I don't get it. Oh well, it is late...."

Same here. What's this all about? Sounds like a parable out of the cartoon series, "Fractured Fairy Tales."

[sbelew]

One & the same. Unless you ask Robert Redford.

[RummyChick]

Moose with a noose around the neck of a duck...taunting that he will never be caught...wonder when he will hit again...i think the serial killer thinking is that they eventually speed up their killing spree.

[AntiGuv]

Here in reality I'm not watching the paranoid conspiracy channel. This looks very much like a random psycho nut. This does not look anything like an Al Qaeda operation and I'm no longer even gonna pretend that it does. This looks nothing like Al Qaeda; nothing at all. If it does turn out to be Al Qaeda, then I'll find myself quite shocked. At most, this may be a random Al Qaeda sympathizer but so was that random psycho kid who flew the Cessna (or whatever) into the Tampa building. That wasn't an Al Qaeda operation, just a lonely, crazy kid...

[slym]

The sniper is saying that he has escaped and flown away and has left his hunter(s) stumped!

[GOPJ]

Robert Redford's a fool.

[SunnyUsa]

"He's trying to get away...escape. He's telling someone to come get him. "

that really could be a logical conclusion if you take the story and apply it to this bizarre story!

[Julliardsux]

I agree with you - though I was hoping it was not domestic for some reason.

[CharlotteVRWC]

I guess I always view Al Queda sympathizers as part of Al Queda.

[mikegi]

"left his hunter stumped"! These guys can't be that clever.

[alnick]

So how do you explain that they're searching Camp Ground Zero right now? Note the date of this article about Camp Ground Zero

[sbelew]

Of course that lonely kid didn't elude police for 2 weeks, and search warrants weren't served in multiple cities, and he didn't train at the camp in Alabama.

Mind you, I'm not saying it IS Al Qaeda (more likely Al Fuqra), but to say that tonight's events have shifted the likelihood of it being a lone nut?...

[SAR1]

Duck in a noose? What the hell is this? Could be a divergence for something much bigger in evilness than the sniping. Code words for something.Everyone is fixated on this. Look in the other direction. Anyone got any ideas here. This is weird. And I dont believe in the lone nut theory. Al Quieda cell at work. Lets tie down homeland resources while we plan something else or slip something into the country. Give me some ideas people.

[fields]

Check out this "duck and noose" reference in the Koran. http://www.san.beck.org/AB19-IslamCulture1095-1300.html

Fields

[Misty Memory]

Pole and noose used to catch ducks. Made by Clarence Long in 1936. Collector NB Tindale (A26097)

[PRND21]

WHEN THEY ENCOUNTER A MAD DUCK AND COHORT NOOSE MAN..
the battle rages most confuzingly untill.....
YOU LOSE!

>Huh??< >makes no sense< >???<

NE) Old-Aged Techno Hippie

[ September 26, 2002, 09:42 PM: Message edited by: Anti_Hero ]

Link

[CharlotteVRWC]

"Whew" Long article...can you narrow down where the duck/noose reference is ?

[Julliardsux]

Something tells me our sniper doesn't surf much 'net.

[BillyJack]

If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck....
Is the U.S. a nation of ducks?


"In the fifth book of the Masnavi Rumi included several stories to illustrate why one should cut down the duck of gluttony, the cock of concupiscence, the peacock of ambition and ostentation, and the crow of bad desires. The story of how Muhammad converted a glutton who drank the milk of seven goats and then made a mess after being locked in a room shows the humility of the prophet in cleaning up the mess himself. He concluded that the infidels eat with seven bellies but the faithful with one. The peacock catches people by displaying itself. Pursuing the vulgar is like hunting a pig; the fatigue is extensive, and it is unlawful to eat it. Love alone is worth pursuing, but how can God be contained in anyone's trap? The most deadly evil eye is the eye of self-approval. The greed of the gluttonous duck is limited as is the greed of the lusty snake; but the peacock's ambition to rule can be many times as great. Worldly wealth and even accomplishments can be enemies to the spiritual life. These are the human trials that create virtue. If there were no temptations, there could be no virtue. Abraham killed the crow of desire in response to the command of God so that he would not crave anything else, and he killed the cock to subjugate pernicious desires"

http://www.san.beck.org/AB19-IslamCulture1095-1300.html

[Julliardsux]

I was just checking that passage out. But it sounds like the sniper views himself as the Duck.

[buffyt]

Bernie Grimm on Fox is saying this is like a Rubic's Cube, spinning it around, trying to figure out the connections. I get it now... he is taunting the FBI and cops, thinking he got away this time....

[Fixit]

From my pitiful blog:

Chief Moose's reading of the "like a duck in a noose" reference, through a quick googling of "duck, noose" lead me to a Cherokee story of the trickster, a boastful rabbit, who attempts to persuade an otter that he is capable of doing any task as well as anyone else. The rabbit attempts to hunt ducks as well as an otter, but after placing a noose over a ducks neck, gets carried aloft by the startled duck. The rabbit falls into a tall stump (like the one taken from Tacoma?), gets trapped there for a while, and then has to eat its own fur to survive while stuck in the stump. Eventually the rabbit tricks some children (and in some tellings their father) to cut a hole in the side of the stump, convincing the humans that it is a beautiful creature to look upon. Once the hole is created, the rabbit darts to freedom. The analogy here seems obvious to the current situation. The rabbit, (sniper), slipped a noose over a duck and got picked up, (hunted civilians then placed on news all over world), then fell into a deep stump(feels trapped by current dragnet), had to eat its own fur(not sure about this element, not a perfect analogy), then finally escaped through trickery(sniper's dreams of escaping).

If the moccasin fits...

[Julliardsux]

How about this: charles CHUCK MOOSE - DUCK NOOSE