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Former Michigan Militia Leader's Home Raided
clickondetroit.com WDIV Channel 4 in Detroit ^ | 11/7/2002

Posted on 11/07/2002 6:07:19 AM PST by mostlyundecided

Former Michigan Militia Leader's Home Raided
U.S. Marshals Find Guns, Ammunition Inside
Posted: 8:27 a.m. EST November 7, 2002
Updated: 8:48 a.m. EST November 7, 2002

U.S. Marshals raided the home of a former leader of the Michigan Militia Wednesday night.

Federal authorities went to the Dexter home of Mark Koernke (pictured, left) to serve a warrant for illegal use of radio equipment. Inside they found a stash of guns and ammunition, Local 4 reported.

Koernke is currently in custody on other weapons charges.

Federal authorities believe that weapons they seized Wednesday night belong to Koernke and not his family. He could face new federal firearms charges if the weapons belong to him, the station reported.


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KEYWORDS: federal; firearms; koernke; michigan; militia; raided; seized; weapons
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FYI, I'm not up on weapons laws, what kind of firearms would cause federal charges? Unlicensed? Wonder what he was doing with the radio that was illegal. With free speech it shouldn't be something he said, right?
1 posted on 11/07/2002 6:07:19 AM PST by mostlyundecided
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To: mostlyundecided
I think shortwave broadcast is licensed, so I assume that's what he has. I'm sure some FReeper will clear it up. I assume he's already a felon since he's not allowed to own firearms.
2 posted on 11/07/2002 6:19:43 AM PST by m1911
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To: mostlyundecided
In any case, the unlicensed equipment was just a cover. "After we found the radio, we just happened to notice the firearms in the safe under the floorboard beneath the couch as we were leaving!"
Ok, I don't know what really happened, but a good paranoid fantasy always starts my day out right!
4 posted on 11/07/2002 6:21:55 AM PST by m1911
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To: mostlyundecided
Former Michigan Militia Leader's Home Raided

OK, so now how about raiding the homes of the other militia leaders (Al Qaeda cells and sympathizers) who also live in Michigan (can you say "Dearborn"?)

5 posted on 11/07/2002 6:27:18 AM PST by Salvey
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To: Dan from Michigan
What's the truth up there in Michigan?
6 posted on 11/07/2002 6:31:09 AM PST by Fred Mertz
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To: m1911
Oh, I see he had a radio and firearms. How Stalinesque.

I can just see the Marshalls riding around in a panel van with a radio direction finder on top, homing in on the State Kriminal.

7 posted on 11/07/2002 6:31:27 AM PST by Justa
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To: Salvey
OK, so now how about raiding the homes of the other militia leaders (Al Qaeda cells and sympathizers) who also live in Michigan (can you say "Dearborn"?)

sorry....racial profiling

8 posted on 11/07/2002 6:32:19 AM PST by RckyRaCoCo
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To: mostlyundecided
start raiding mosques and islamic training centers ...thousands of them in the US ...
look under their floorboards....
In Vietnam one of Mr. Charles favorite hiding places ...Pagodas...any place off limits..is a good place to hide stuff...
9 posted on 11/07/2002 6:46:08 AM PST by joesnuffy
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To: Justa
Typewriter?

Mimeograph?

10 posted on 11/07/2002 6:48:13 AM PST by Doctor Stochastic
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To: mostlyundecided
"U.S. Marshals raided the home of a former leader of the Michigan Militia Wednesday night."

If he is a prior felony, then being in posession of firearms would be illegal.

"Inside they found a stash of guns and ammunition"

Just how does the law define the word stash?

Do the firearms and ammo in my Sentinal brand gun safe constitute a "stash"??

I cringe at the use of the words stash and stockpile

Other than that, the article is inconclusive.

11 posted on 11/07/2002 7:04:57 AM PST by aeronca
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To: mostlyundecided
It is not beyond the realm of possibility that certain elements of the American militia movement are linked with Middle Eastern terrorism. (I know little of Mark Koernke or his beliefs.) The anti-Jewish rhetoric of some militia groups, particularly those with white separatist or Anglo-Israel leanings, is very similar to that heard from the militant wing of Islam. Both the white separatist/Anglo-Israel crowd and the Muslim militants see "world Zionism" as their common enemy. There is some evidence that suggests that Tim McVeigh and Terry Nichols had connections with Middle Eastern terrorists. Some have speculated that the "John Doe II" seen with McVeigh was a Middle Easterner. As I recall, both McVeigh and Nichols were associated with militia groups in Michigan.

Suppose you were a leader of a Muslim terrotist organization trying to disrupt the United States. Your main native born allies are American blacks who have become Black Muslims. (Given John Muhammed's access to large amounts of cash and frequent travel, I suspect that he was recruited into the network of Middle Eastern terror.) Yet, with the exception of a handful of converts like Jose Padilla or John Walker Lindh, Islam has not significantly penetrated the white and Hispanic communities. The most natural ally for the Middle Eastern terrorists among whites would be disaffected white racists and anti-Semites who are enthralled with conspiracy theories that paint powerful Jewish interests at the center of webs of worldwide intrigue. Their theories are basically the same as those espoused by radical Islam, having the same roots in such late 19th Century works as The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion. For these white racists to ally with the non-Aryan Arabs is no more contradictory it was for the Nazis to ally with the non-Aryan Japanese.

I am opposed to governmental restrictions on private ownership and possession of firearms and radio equipment. I recognize that the Feds regard the militia groups as the primary enemies of the State and have dealt with them far more harshly than they have with Muslim terrorists, eco-terrorists, or minority group militants. However, this raid on the home of an already imprisoned militia leader may be prompted by legitimate national security concerns.

12 posted on 11/07/2002 7:05:59 AM PST by Wallace T.
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To: mostlyundecided
While I don’t know the specifics of this case, I will say that in general it is illegal to operate radio transmitting equipment without a license from the FCC. There are a few limited frequency bands available for unlicensed transmissions, but by and large, most of the spectrum is allocated to licensed users only. Unlicensed users are a source of frequent complaints to the commission, and I suspect that this is what triggered the investigation. E-bay is full of used commercial equipment for sale, all of which is illegal to use on any frequency’s that the owner/operator is not specifically authorized to operate on. Without strict enforcement of these regulations, we run the risk of the entire RF spectrum turning into Citizens Band Channels 1 through 40.

Depending on the service, standards for allowable speech vary widely. The standards for allowed speech are very strict for the Public Service, Amateur, Aeronautical, and Marine Services bands. More lenient standards are inplace for the Broadcast Services and commercial land mobile services. No standards for speech exist for the telecom (Cellular and Cord Less telephone) service, and all speech is allowed. Incidentally, the Citizens Band service was also tightly constrained along these lines, but the commission failed to regulate conduct on these frequencies, and it degraded into Chaos.

13 posted on 11/07/2002 7:11:04 AM PST by MrNeutron1962
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To: mostlyundecided
FYI, I'm not up on weapons laws, what kind of firearms would cause federal charges? Unlicensed?
DIRECTLY from the story we have:
Federal authorities went to the Dexter home of Mark Koernke (pictured, left) to serve a warrant for illegal use of radio equipment.
WHY are you bringing up the subject of 'firearms charges'?
16 posted on 11/07/2002 7:55:45 AM PST by _Jim
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To: Fred Mertz
Koernke is the local militia nut ball. A sign along the road in his front yard "advertises" his radio broadcasts. The sign has been there for years - it's no big secret. A couple of summers ago, the cops chased him all over the township because he fit the description of a suspected bank robber, and because his son happened to be near the bank at the time of the robbery. Seems like the cops are always looking for some reason to pick on him.
17 posted on 11/07/2002 8:02:07 AM PST by fivecatsandadog
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To: m1911
I think shortwave broadcast is licensed,
ANY transmitting requires meeting rules as set forth in the CFR (Code of Federal Regulations, specifically, the 'FCC rules and regs') and may require proper licensing AND requires the use of 'Type Accepted' equipment.

Many of these 'militia types' have taken to using Amatuer HF radios to do their own 'broadcasting' just above or below the 40 Meter Amatuer band - this band has good propagation characteristics and a minimal antenna (simple dipole) and a 100 Watt radio can achieve surprising results ...

Most of these would-be pirates wanna immitate Alex Jones and his *legal* (although insane) broadcasts on 6890 KHz.

The difference here is - Alex legally purchases his airtime from WWRB ...

18 posted on 11/07/2002 8:04:26 AM PST by _Jim
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To: MrNeutron1962
While I don’t know the specifics of this case, I will say that in general it is illegal to operate radio transmitting equipment without a license from the FCC.

There are two, no, three exceptions:

1) FRS radios - when they meet type acceptance *as* RFS radios

2) CB radios

3) Emergency situations

(This is aside from normal, low-power, Type-accepted, transmitting devices like RC cars and boats, wireless key-locks, etc)

19 posted on 11/07/2002 8:07:44 AM PST by _Jim
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To: aeronca
"Inside they found a stash of guns and ammunition"

A .22 revolver, a 12ga shotgun, and a few boxes of shells.

20 posted on 11/07/2002 8:13:14 AM PST by ArrogantBustard
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To: YTee
My guess is some local yuppie from one of the new "neighborhoods" called the cops and complained. Koernke's front yard is not what you would call "manicured". Think "Sanford and Son". It's been like that for at least 10 years. I just can't picture him working along side the moose limbs.
21 posted on 11/07/2002 8:13:29 AM PST by fivecatsandadog
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To: YTee
I've been wondering when all of these Freepers that are for Liberty and Freedom and the Constitution, etc..
are gonna get tired of being pushed around by the BIG Government and DO something about it...HUH...???

We read about it every day...Over and over where some poor bast--- gets busted for bull crap and just say thanks that it isn't ME...
Someday soon it WILL be YOU..!!!
You can count on it..!!!
22 posted on 11/07/2002 8:16:26 AM PST by freddy
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To: Sgt. Fury
I honestly thought when the GOP took over, these things would stop happening.
23 posted on 11/07/2002 8:17:55 AM PST by TexanAmerican
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To: Sgt. Fury
Illegal radio equipment?

It happens more often than you think.

Here's a link to Enforcement Actions taken by the FCC against 'rules' violators:

Enforcement Bureau - Field Operations List of Notices of Apparent Liability Issued

Here's an excerpt of recent actions:

47 U.S.C. § 301 – Unauthorized Operation

47 C.F.R. Part 95 – Personal Radio Services

47 C.F.R. § 95.411 -- (CB Rule 11) – May I Use Power Amplifiers?

o Frank Kluz, Lancaster, OH. $5,000 NAL.Detroit, MI District Office (7/23/02).

24 posted on 11/07/2002 8:19:18 AM PST by _Jim
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To: TexanAmerican
I honestly thought when the GOP took over, these things would stop happening.

Sarcasm, right? (It was difficult to tell ...)

25 posted on 11/07/2002 8:21:11 AM PST by _Jim
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To: All
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/archive/1995/950626/950626.militias.html
26 posted on 11/07/2002 8:21:59 AM PST by fivecatsandadog
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To: enfield
"How about the word "Arsenal"? I get so sick of hearing about cops raiding a home and finding an "arsenal". If any of these talking heads were to visit a real arsenal, they'd realize how silly they sound.

Yes, arsenal is another media-hype word, along with "High-Powered Rifle"

27 posted on 11/07/2002 8:22:25 AM PST by aeronca
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To: _Jim
Corrected link to:

FCC Enforcement actions

28 posted on 11/07/2002 8:23:03 AM PST by _Jim
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To: _Jim
I honestly thought when the GOP took over, these things would stop happening.
Sarcasm, right? (It was difficult to tell ...)
\\\\

Sadly, no. It just seems that our right to defend ourselves keeps beeing slowly taken away no matter who is in charge.
29 posted on 11/07/2002 8:25:47 AM PST by TexanAmerican
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To: Wallace T.
This is a case of "kick em' when they're down" which is a favorite Gubmint tactic. I really don't think the Michigan Militia is involved with the Muslims.
30 posted on 11/07/2002 8:27:01 AM PST by dljordan
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To: ArrogantBustard
"Inside they found a stash of guns and ammunition"

A .22 revolver, a 12ga shotgun, and a few boxes of shells.

Wow, bad "stash", huh?

31 posted on 11/07/2002 8:28:06 AM PST by aeronca
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To: mostlyundecided

Federal Agents Raid Militia Activist's Property

Reported by John Klekamp
Web Produced by Christiana Ciolac

Federal agents got more than they bargained for when they raided the home of local militia activist Mark Koernke.

Mark Koernke has been in prison for more than two years.

U.S. Marshals were out Wednesday at his Dexter property from reports from a pirate radio operation and when they were out there, they saw something and alerted the ATF.

Deputies shut down Dexter-Pinkney Road as authorities searched the property of jailed militia member Mark Koernke. ATF agents said they found weapons, but they would not say how many.

"So far we found a large number of guns and a large quantity of ammunition," said ATF Special Agent Gregory Holley.

The federal search warrant was executed after U.S. Marshals had entered the home to confiscate a low powered transmitter used for a pirate radio station, 90.7FM.

"The local deputies in this area said there isn't much range to it. You can hear it somewhere within the village area which is somewhere within maybe two mile or so, but it's very short," said Washtenaw County Sheriff Daniel Minzey said.

All that can be heard on the frequency now is static. Deputies say Koernke the FM station is used to spread his message about the Michigan militia. Koernke is in state prison doing time for a high-speed chase back in March 2000.

Authorities say they have had many encounters with Koernke in the past, even though he is behind bars, they are not done with him yet.

"We don't want to say it is illegal or legal, but some of these weapons will be going to the lab for determination to see if they are in violation of the federal laws. At that time if it is so, we will file federal charges," said Special Agent Holley.

Authorities say Koernke's wife and two sons live at the property in Dexter. It is not clear who owns the weapons or who was running the radio station.


32 posted on 11/07/2002 8:28:35 AM PST by michigander
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To: TexanAmerican
Sadly, no.

Well, in that case, I would conclude that you're living in some kind of fantasy world ...

33 posted on 11/07/2002 8:35:13 AM PST by _Jim
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To: _Jim
Well, in that case, I would conclude that you're living in some kind of fantasy world ...
\\\\\

There's no need to be insulting. Maybe it was a little optimistic to believe that voting for a candidate that promised to defend gun right would result in gun rights being protected, but that doesn't maen that we can't express disappointment without being insulted.
34 posted on 11/07/2002 8:38:44 AM PST by TexanAmerican
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To: _Jim
Actually, believe it or not, for many years not it has been the case that you do not need a radio operator's license to operate an aircraft radio unless you plan on flying internationally. Anyone can order a handheld aircraft radio from Sporty's. On the other hand, you are still obligated to follow the regs. There seems to have been little or no problem with the license-less situation, though homeland security types can surely dream up scenarios...
35 posted on 11/07/2002 8:42:06 AM PST by Starrgaizr
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To: Wallace T.
As I recall, both McVeigh and Nichols were associated with militia groups in Michigan.

False. That was the leftist media spin, so I can see why you are confused. But in reality the Michigan Militia refused to allow MeVeigh to become a member because of his extremist views. Morris Dees admitted that fact on CNN's Talk Back Live, even though Morris is quick to lump anyone to the right of McGovern as an extremist.

The anti-Jewish rhetoric of some militia groups, particularly those with white separatist or Anglo-Israel leanings.

There are two types of so-called "militia groups" in America: (1) those who claim to support and defend the Constitution (labeled "Constitutional" militias), and (2) supremists (white and black).

White Supremists are the white equivalent of the Black Panthers or Black Muslims. Both hate Jews, and, general speaking, Black Muslims want all whiteys dead, and White Supremists want all blackeys dead.

Constitutional Militias allow members of all races in their ranks, including blacks and jews. The Commander of the Georgia Constitutional Militia at one time was a Jew. The South Carolina Civilian Militia claimed two black officers in the mid 90's. And J.J. Johnson, the former Commander of the Ohio Militia, is black, and has been a long-time national spokesman for the Constitutional Militia doctrine. The federal government recognized his role in the militia movement by inviting him to testify before Congress in the mid 90's. His most famous statement before the congress was (paraphrased) "I am sick and tired of the media calling me a white supremist". J.J. Johnson Enterprises, Inc. publishes the Sierra Times.

36 posted on 11/07/2002 8:46:49 AM PST by PhilipFreneau
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To: michigander
"The local deputies in this area said there isn't much range to it. You can hear it somewhere within the village area which is somewhere within maybe two mile or so, but it's very short,"
Power levels on the order of several Watts are needed on the FM Broadcast band JUST to get this kind of range.

This kind of power level is DEFINITELY over the legally permitted power limit actually allowed for use on the FM broadcast band by low-power consumer devices like cheap wireless mics ...

Also - Koernke (and most *other* pirates) fail to take other technical factors into consideration, like radiated harmonics -

- the second harmonic falls into the range of TV channels 7 through 13

- the third harmonic falls into the range of military aircraft comm and satellite band.

And I haven't mentioned that the civilian aircraft communications and navigation band is just *above* the commercial FM Broadcast band -

- spuriuous emmissions from pirate transmitters CAN AFFECT this aircraft comm band ... THIS affects both people's LIVES and their PROPERTY!

NOW do you people see why we have these LAWS on the books (against indiscriminate pirate 'broadcasting')?

37 posted on 11/07/2002 8:48:52 AM PST by _Jim
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To: Starrgaizr
Actually, believe it or not, for many years not it has been the case that you do not need a radio operator's license to operate an aircraft radio

THAT may be what it seems like - but there are regulations that cover even that (when was the last time you were required to obtain a operator's license to use a cell phone?) ...

38 posted on 11/07/2002 8:51:52 AM PST by _Jim
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To: mostlyundecided
FYI, I'm not up on weapons laws, what kind of firearms would cause federal charges?

Automatic weapons that have not been taxed. Of course, Mark is a convicted felon, as well...

Wonder what he was doing with the radio that was illegal. With free speech it shouldn't be something he said, right?

There is a wide range of things you're not supposed to do on the airwaves. First off, if you're not licensed for shortwave, you're not supposed to be transmitting, period. If you're licensed, you're only supposed to use those frequency bands that your license class allows. You're not supposed to use an amateur license for commercial purposes. You're not allowed to engage in deliberate interference with other legitimate broadcasts. You're not allowed to exceed certain effective radiated power levels. If someone comes on with a distress call, you are not supposed to interfere with that call.

39 posted on 11/07/2002 8:52:40 AM PST by Poohbah
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To: Starrgaizr
Aircraft Radio Stations

The Telecommunications Act of 1996, which became law on February 8, 1996, brought about fundamental changes in the licensing of aircraft radio stations. Aircraft radio stations include all types of radio transmitting equipment used aboard an aircraft, e.g., two-way radiotelephones, radar, radionavigation equipment, and emergency locator transmitters (ELTs). The primary purpose of aircraft radio equipment is to ensure safety of aircraft in flight. This page provides a summary of the recent rule changes and gives guidance to commercial, as well as general aviation aircraft owners, concerning the licensing and operation of aircraft radio stations.

 Who Needs an Aircraft Station License?
 How do I get a License?
 General Information
 FCC Information (Forms, Fees, Rules)
Who Needs an Aircraft Station License? On October 26, 1996, the FCC released a Report and Order in WT Docket No. 96-82, FCC 96-421 (text, WordPerfect), eliminating the individual licensing requirement for all aircraft operating domestically. This means that you do not need a license to operate a two-way VHF radio, radar, or ELT aboard aircraft operating domestically. All other aircraft radio stations must be licensed by the FCC either individually or by fleet.

WHICH AIRCRAFT ARE INCLUDED? The new rule applies to all aircraft, including scheduled air carriers, air taxis, as well as general aviation aircraft, so long as they fly domestically.

...

MAY I USE MY HAND-HELD AIRCRAFT VHF RADIO ON LAND?

You may only use your hand-held aircraft VHF radio from your aircraft, or under the authority of an FCC ground station authorization. Ground station authorizations are usually only issued to aviation service organizations located on airports, businesses engaged in pilot training, aircraft manufacturers, or persons engaged in chase-car activities related to soaring and ballooning.

More:

http://wireless.fcc.gov/aviation/fctsht4.html

40 posted on 11/07/2002 8:57:44 AM PST by _Jim
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To: Salvey
I'm curious how many "malitia" members are sympathetic to AQ. Tim McVeigh comes to mind.
41 posted on 11/07/2002 9:00:17 AM PST by js1138
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To: js1138
I'm curious how many "malitia" members are sympathetic to AQ. Tim McVeigh comes to mind.

And your SOURCE or basis for this conjecture is??????

I'll bet you haven't even READ his book - have you?)

42 posted on 11/07/2002 9:05:04 AM PST by _Jim
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To: _Jim
Yes, and the restrictions on FRS and even CB are quite limiting. FRS, 2 watts output, no external antennas, channelized operation.

CB 5 watts output, antenna height limits, limits on communications range (I.E. no ionospheric bounce with a 150 mile limit), not that anyone follows these rules anymore.

GMRS, Marine MF and Marine VHF are licensed, but the license is effectively automatically granted.

All other services require a frequency co-ordination, and FCC License, or Amateur Operator License.

I’d be willing to bet none of the above applies to this individual.

43 posted on 11/07/2002 9:05:54 AM PST by MrNeutron1962
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To: Poohbah
Question: FYI, I'm not up on weapons laws, what kind of firearms would cause federal charges?

Answer: Automatic weapons that have not been taxed.

That is much too simplistic. There are a bewildering array of federal firearm regulations, some so deceptively worded that I feel certain there are many thousands of firearm owners committing felonies without realizing it. For example, there could be two identical looking rifles, one perfectly legal, and the other illegal (a felony offense), with the only obvious difference being the serial number. Our lawmakers have effectively created a whole new class of felon: felony exercising of the constituional right to keep and bear arms. The neat little trick about this type of felony is, if you are a felon in one aspect (knowingly or unknowingly), you forever lose the privilege to exercise your 2nd Amendment Rights in any manner. One other point: according to the federal and many state governments, there is currently no right to keep and bear arms -- only a privilege.

44 posted on 11/07/2002 9:07:18 AM PST by PhilipFreneau
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Check me as being 'out' for the interim ...
45 posted on 11/07/2002 9:07:21 AM PST by _Jim
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To: michigander
Remind me to tell you about the time I imported 5,000 UHF broadcast devices that were manufactured wayyyyy above FCC limits. I connected my camcorder to one of them and broadcast my signal across town.

Needless to say, they were all confiscated and a fine was levied...
46 posted on 11/07/2002 9:09:25 AM PST by Registered
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To: _Jim
Actually, you aren't, but the Cellular Sites are all liscensed, and the equipment is FCC type accepted for this use.
47 posted on 11/07/2002 9:10:11 AM PST by MrNeutron1962
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To: MrNeutron1962
FRS, 2 watts output, no external antennas, channelized operation.

Ahh .. try 0.5 (as in one-half) Watt output and a *permanently attached* antenna for FRS ...

And with that - I have to go ...

(PS. CB is USELESS when the 'skip is in' e.g. at/near the peak of a "sunspot cycle'. And recently, 10 and 11 Meters have both seen some really good propagation like that.)

48 posted on 11/07/2002 9:11:32 AM PST by _Jim
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To: MrNeutron1962
Actually, you aren't,

And and AND (your point is???)????

You are COVERED as a subscriber to a business desribed in FCC terms as a common carrier for this type of use in this 'service' ... that 'business' is licensed and uses assigned frequencies ...

Do you REALLY want to try and out-match me and my thirty plus years in radio-related experience?

I've got to go after this post ...

49 posted on 11/07/2002 9:16:44 AM PST by _Jim
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