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California: Forecast for '03: upheaval
The Orange County Register ^ | Jan. 5, 2003 | Scott Browne - Tustin resident and professor of business at Concordia University

Posted on 01/05/2003 12:17:01 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach

Edited on 04/14/2004 10:05:42 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

1. California's fiscal house, so clearly out of order, will create opportunities for social entrepreneurs. Gov. Gray Davis, his Democratic allies and a too-soft Republican opposition have frittered away a massive state budget surplus on social programs implemented for the sole purpose of creating Democratic voters. Instead of investing the surplus in the infrastructure needed to help support the state's continuing growth - power, water, roadways, new schools - we now have neither infrastructure nor funds available to operate existing programs. Who will save us? Regular citizens, who will create charities, cooperative organizations, local-based programs and new businesses that will not require as much power, water or commuting as previous organizations have.


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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: budget; budgetcrisis; calgov2002; california; davis
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1 posted on 01/05/2003 12:17:01 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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2 posted on 01/05/2003 12:18:02 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; Grampa Dave; SierraWasp
These people will understand that the big house on the hill, the flashy car, the ski vacation and 500 channels of satellite TV are less important than serving their God and doing what is best for their families. As such, for many thoughtful parents, the second job will be abandoned, the fancy TV disconnected, the nanny, gardener and housecleaner dismissed, and the new car put off a few years, so that parents can raise their own children, not depend on strangers found in the classified ads to raise their kids.

Why does this remind me of Moonbeam's "psychic income" speech? Yup, his era of limits has finally arrived, California.

Now sure, if you chop your income to $25,000 per year, you're going to pay a lot less in income taxes. But your rent and/or property taxes, car taxes, sin taxes, utility costs, etc. all stay the same.

It's possible to do what the author suggests, but not in California - you have to move to a low-cost-of-living area of the country to pull it off.

3 posted on 01/05/2003 12:41:37 PM PST by snopercod
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
TO THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA: GOOD LUCK, YOU WILL NEED IT WITH DAVIS AS YOUR GOVERNOR. If California survives davis, it would be like every resident of that state have won the POWER BALL, 1 chance in a hundred million. But, hey humanity arose from nothing, so California may yet arise from the davis ashes.
4 posted on 01/05/2003 12:43:37 PM PST by desertcry
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
No problem Gray, Uncle Sam will bail you out. Just look for the envelope with Ed McMahon and Dick Clark on it.
5 posted on 01/05/2003 1:17:42 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Is it just me, or is this guy(Scott Browne) certifiably delusional?
6 posted on 01/05/2003 1:35:52 PM PST by PeaceBeWithYou
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To: snopercod
Exactamundo, compodre!!!

They finally brought down what Jerry's dad built and Ronnie fine tuned!!!

What a gigantic PANT-LOAD!!!

7 posted on 01/05/2003 1:46:21 PM PST by SierraWasp
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To: Reaganwuzthebest; Dog Gone
I would like you to tell me which of the 18 powers granted to congress by the U.S. Constitution could be used to loan money to a state government. Seriously.
Section. 8.

                   The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and
                   Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general
                   Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be
                   uniform throughout the United States;

                   To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;

                   To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and
                   with the Indian Tribes;

                   To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject
                   of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

                   To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the
                   Standard of Weights and Measures;

                   To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of
                   the United States;

                   To establish Post Offices and post Roads;

                   To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited
                   Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings
                   and Discoveries;

                   To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;

                   To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and
                   Offences against the Law of Nations;

                   To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules
                   concerning Captures on Land and Water;

                   To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be
                   for a longer Term than two Years;

                   To provide and maintain a Navy;

                   To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

                   To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress
                   Insurrections and repel Invasions;

                   To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing
                   such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States,
                   reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the
                   Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by
                   Congress;

                   To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not
                   exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the
                   Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United
                   States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of
                   the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts,
                   Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;--And

                   To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into
                   Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution
                   in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

We all know that modern Congresses do not feel constrained by these limitations, but I would like to hear your thoughts on which will be used as "cover" if they try this.

8 posted on 01/05/2003 2:02:12 PM PST by snopercod
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To: snopercod
I don't think they are talking about loans. I think they are talking about gifts.

I'm not sure this is any different than "Revenue Sharing", which I think was started under Nixon. And I certainly can't think of how it's constitutional, although that question may have already been litigated at that time.

9 posted on 01/05/2003 2:11:38 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: snopercod
We all know that modern Congresses do not feel constrained by these limitations, but I would like to hear your thoughts on which will be used as "cover" if they try this.

The interstate commerce clause.

10 posted on 01/05/2003 2:11:56 PM PST by nygoose
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To: nygoose
The interstate commerce clause.

You may be right. Congress uses that for every other piece of unconstitutional legislation they dream up.

But that's exactly the one which should prevent loaning money to California. Since it doesn't involve more than one state, it can't be "inter".

11 posted on 01/05/2003 2:22:36 PM PST by snopercod
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Gov. Gray Davis, his Democratic allies and a too-soft Republican opposition have frittered away a massive state budget surplus on social programs implemented for the sole purpose of creating Democratic voters. Instead of investing the surplus in the infrastructure needed to help support the state's continuing growth - power, water, roadways, new schools - we now have neither infrastructure nor funds available to operate existing programs.

But it felt soooo good at the time. Idiots!
12 posted on 01/05/2003 2:46:57 PM PST by NormsRevenge
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To: snopercod
Can't remember for sure, but didn't the federal government bail out New York City years ago, and they have given federally guaranteed loans to corporations like Chrysler. They always find ways to do these things don't they?
13 posted on 01/05/2003 4:07:26 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
IIRC, it was the state of NY that bailed out the city, but the feds might have had some small part.
President Gerald Ford turned the city down for a bailout as a poor risk which generated the infamous Daily News headline "Ford to City: Drop Dead." Governor Hugh Carey, who lost confidence in Beame, stepped in with emergency controls that stripped the mayor of traditional power over fiscal matters and left the city under the Municipal Assistance Corporation. The state and federal governments then came through with financial support to save the city from bankruptcy.

The Lockheed bailout was a bad precedent, IMO, even though it cost the taxpayers nothing in the end.

14 posted on 01/05/2003 4:17:07 PM PST by snopercod
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To: snopercod
IIRC, it was the state of NY that bailed out the city, but the feds might have had some small part.

Well there you go, I'm from NY and couldn't remember if it was the federal or state government.

The precedent in the private sector though has been set for granting loans and that's what you may see in California at first, but if they default what's the government going to do about it? Uncle Sam will never let California burn in flames, they'll rescue it in the end, Constitution or not.

15 posted on 01/05/2003 4:43:40 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Reaganwuzthebest; All
Well there you go, I'm from NY and couldn't remember if it was the federal or state government

Actually, it was Municipal Union pension funds and the sale of "Big MACs" [Municipal Assistance Corporation bonds].

California's problem is that it doesn't have New York State to 'morally guarantee' the bonds...Cali's bonding capacity is just about shot.

And remember, in 1975, the Stock Market had recovered, and union pension funds were 'FLUSH!'

Can CALPERS do the same for the state after the Greatest Bear Market in the History of Civilization???

Look, I don't have a crystal ball, but you are talking about a whole different ball game.

Perhaps the Professor isn't off his rocker after all.

16 posted on 01/05/2003 6:05:02 PM PST by Lael
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To: Lael
Even if the feds bail out California today, in a few years they'll be back right where they started. And Texas and Arizona aren't far behind. I'm not even sure the enormity of the situation has been fully realized yet by the powers that be in Washington, but the problems are long-term and won't be going away.
17 posted on 01/05/2003 6:39:31 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Lael
Can CALPERS do the same for the state after the Greatest Bear Market in the History of Civilization???

Now that would be a hoot...looting Calpers to bail out the "Rats. Where are the first street battles, ala Watts, going to be fought and by whom ?

18 posted on 01/05/2003 6:43:42 PM PST by tubebender
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Of all these things, the repeal of Proposition 13 will destroy older and poorer residents of California.

The Premise behind the 1% tax limit with only permission of 2% growth a year on the home is that it protects people who are no longer working today and whose money making hay day was long ago.

Today if you buy a home your tax would be 1% plus voted debt on your property tax. So in CA if your home is $300,000 today, as a new owner your tax is over $3,000 and you also pay about $800 in public taxes added on for schools, streets and bonds voted in by a stupid public.
A person in the same block who is 60 might have bought the same house for $35,000 and today their property tax might be only $680 compared to a current $3800 for a new buyer.

So why and how is that fair you ask perhaps?
Well a couple of people today in CA might earn a combined income of $110,000 buying a $300,000 home and of the higher income, the $3800 is a smaller percentage compared to the older buyer who's salary might have been $6000 when they bought the home for $35,000.
The older home owner was living their hay day in a time when less money bought more, so if you raise the property tax to $4,000 as an example, the retiree with an income of $4000 a year and SS of $650 before Medicare is taken out will lose their homes to taxes and only the old wealthy or new higher earning workers will be able to own a home in California. The rest of the older folks will be forced onto welfare and their home will be lost. They won't even be able to leave it for their heirs upon their death.
This becomes the ultimate death tax and ultimate way to throw old homeowners without earning capacity out on the street.
19 posted on 01/05/2003 10:28:16 PM PST by A CA Guy
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To: A CA Guy
Now that is very unfair!
20 posted on 01/05/2003 10:41:01 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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